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questions about creating a two spot colour from a cmyk file
« on: February 06, 2010, 04:04:17 PM »
i don't have access to a copy of photoshop until i get bck to work but have just been wondering about a job i have to do.


there is a cmyk logo that i need to be a two spot colour logo. so far a i have two files, one containg the GREEN sep (which is a greyscale file made up up two channels after i deleted the other two) and the BLACK sep (same a s the green sep but with a bit of tweaks to the contrast). now i'm confident that these two will give a good enough result if output to litho plates, but need to cobine them to be able to proof to a customer as a pdf and also use to output from indesign for other items using just one file. this hopefully be a pdf based file.

any tips and guidence for this?

i was thinking along the lines of merging the remaining channels to a single spot colour, then combining those using calculations to save as a 2spot colour photoshop.pdf.
the background is white on both the files at the minute, does this mean i have to merge a single channel from one file to another file?



been many years since a tried any of this and photoshop seems to have moved stuff around lol.


thanks for any tips in advance!

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Re: questions about creating a two spot colour from a cmyk file
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2010, 05:38:49 PM »
Have no doubt something will be achievable in PhSh, but my skill/experience does not extend too far yet. Was thinking that if you have PitStop Pro, and you've got that far, you can add a PDF to a PDF. I've used this for proofing purposes for overlay varnishes etc., but can't see why you couldn't use it for your task.
You can use Inspector to adjust Transparency mode, after the combining. A left-field possibility, is all, but in theory you should be able to end up with a single PDF, with the desired Spot Colours.
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Re: questions about creating a two spot colour from a cmyk file
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2010, 02:39:06 AM »
thanks, thats an avenue i would never i have thought of on my own. pretty sure they will have a copy of pit stop there, i'd have to check (only started there a few weeks ago and only just got a chance to do some macwork a couple of days back). i'm gonna check around to see more about this pitstop app, heard tell of it before but never got to use it yet.



does your photoshop knowledge extend to being able to shed any light on why i couldn't merge the two remaining channels? the black and yellow channels that are the K plate shows a slight colour when viewed as layers. this is where i was up before i left and had me scratching my head!

thanks for the pitstop suggestion anyhow frailer, i'm looking forward to having a go with it, hope they have one

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Re: questions about creating a two spot colour from a cmyk file
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2010, 06:47:55 AM »
I'm a little unsure about a couple of things you're trying to do there, peaceflaps; I'd rather defer to a seasoned PhSh vet...along soon, I'm sure. Some stuff needs to be clarified, but the right questions need to be asked. A bit outside my comfort zone at present.
Pitstop is a plugin for Acrobat; rather than a standalone app.   v7 upwards supported PDF-in-PDF placement.
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Re: questions about creating a two spot colour from a cmyk file
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2010, 07:11:07 AM »
no probs :)
still have original 4colour file in case there is a simpler method of doing this, but i'm sure i had results in the past with the spot colours ending up as a single pdf but i can't remember how.

the pitstop option is sounding good because its all pdf artwork that i'm supplied, and not usually in great condition. the application may be a great asset. just have to see which version they have got.

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Re: questions about creating a two spot colour from a cmyk file
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2010, 09:17:58 AM »
I'm not really clear and what you are starting with and where you are wanting to end up. You said you were supplied a PDF originally so is the part that is in question a vector image or a raster image in the PDF. Maybe post of a screen shot of the original and explain what colors that are CMYK need to be what spot color? Does the file end up needing to be just 2 spot colors, 1 spot and black, or 2 spots and black?
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Re: questions about creating a two spot colour from a cmyk file
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2010, 10:15:44 AM »
no, sorry - probably be better if was able to upload the logo rather than explaining it in text :D


started off with a cmyk tiff file, even though its 4colour it appears mainly as green and black.

so i opened up the file and deleted the Magenta and Cyan, leaving the Black and Yellow channels (which i want to serve as the black plate) and saved as a psd file.

then opened up the original again but deleted the Black and Yellow (which is to be the green plate) and saved as a psd file.



thats pretty much where i got to before i left on friday.




my plan was to merge the channels that remain (c&m = spot colour PMSgreen / k&y = black)
then merge the spot green psd file and the black psd file into one file - basically overlaying the black psd onto the green psd file.

this would then hopefully be able to save as a 2 spot colour pdf



both the psd files are greyscale at the minute if that matters.

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Re: questions about creating a two spot colour from a cmyk file
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2010, 12:00:28 PM »
Okay, to merge the black and yellow you can use "Apply Image" under the "Image" menu. First click your target color in the channels pallet so only that separation is showing, for example the black. Then open "Apply Image" and the black will already be selected as the target color. For the source color select the Yellow from the drop down list. Change blending to multiply and opacity to 100%. This will merge the yellow and black channel into the black channel. You can do this multiple times if needed to make the target 100% for your spot separation. It won't delete the image from the yellow channel so you will have to manually get rid if it.

Do the same for the CM image. Now you have two separate images with your two spot channels. Once again you can use "Apply Image" to merge channels from one image to the other by selecting the channel for you target in the channels pallet and opening "Apply Image" and selecting your source image and the source channel.

Here is the example images I used. There is a CMYK image I started with and the finished image which ends up being CMYK + PMS Green. There is nothing in the CMY channel though so basically it is only using the black and spot green and it's still a tif file.

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ETA: There are other ways to accomplish this as well. This is just one way.
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Re: questions about creating a two spot colour from a cmyk file
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2010, 03:43:15 PM »
excellent - sounds just what i'm looking to do. i'll have to check the attachment in the morning (safari can't download them on an ipod touch unfortunately)

be sure to be on hand in case google is able to spell the rest out for me lol




am i right in thinking you can apply a channel from another file? sure thats how i did stuff before layers came on the scene.

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Re: questions about creating a two spot colour from a cmyk file
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2010, 03:58:47 PM »
excellent - sounds just what i'm looking to do. i'll have to check the attachment in the morning (safari can't download them on an ipod touch unfortunately)

be sure to be on hand in case google is able to spell the rest out for me lol




am i right in thinking you can apply a channel from another file? sure thats how i did stuff before layers came on the scene.


Yes, you can apply channels from another file as long as you have it open in Photoshop. See my comments about "Apply Image".
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Re: questions about creating a two spot colour from a cmyk file
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2010, 02:53:56 AM »
morning all :)

just opened up the files and done the above (merged the channels and deleted the ones i don't need anymore)


one question:
what colour mode should the files be in when i try and merge them?
should the green be a monotone/duotone? when i tried it, the black became green when merged into the green file.

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Re: questions about creating a two spot colour from a cmyk file
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2010, 04:06:22 AM »
UPDATE! :)


created a spot colour alpha channel and copied and pasted the black plate onto that - seems to look ok, apart from having a grey cast on the background of the black sep (but this is probably because i adjusted the brightness/contrast a bit before merging)

gonna have another look at it later when i get chance - please let me know if i'm doing it wrong :D

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Re: questions about creating a two spot colour from a cmyk file
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2010, 07:52:27 AM »
Myself personally, I would have just left them as CMYK + spot channel tiffs as long as your RIP can handle them. Just clear everything out from the CMY channel.
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Re: questions about creating a two spot colour from a cmyk file
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2010, 03:06:17 PM »
yeah, after playing about and finding my feet a little, i see what you mean.
went into a bit of a panic about it for nothing really, it all came back to me eventually lol. got the samples of the finshed job today and they were spot on (hehehe).


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Re: questions about creating a two spot colour from a cmyk file
« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2010, 03:32:31 PM »
Not sure if I understand correctly but.. If they are both greyscale can you import into indesign select your image and select the spot color for each image and create a pdf?