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Offline Slappy

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Neo - Any Takers?
« on: September 17, 2007, 03:39:58 PM »
Since we're moving to a big, bad PDF workflow ( in theory) with the new Prinergy install, I'm looking at effective, efficient ways to handle client PDF files that may be "less than satisfactory" if ya get my drift.

Been using PitStop for a number of years, and great as it is, doesn't always play nice and it's a little "kludgy". So I'm wondering what everybody else is using for heavy-duty PDF editing & correcting. I'll likely DL the trial of New this week & see how it handles, but would we be better served looking at PitStop Server?
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Re: Neo - Any Takers?
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2007, 06:15:52 PM »
For general repair of PDF's I still prefer Pitstop Pro. NEO is great at some things (text editing, image manipulation, and trapping come to mind) but you'll still need Pitstop as NEO has no global change, action lists, or converting to grayscale. You can convert from RGB to CMYK and back via profiles but not to grayscale.
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Re: Neo - Any Takers?
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2007, 08:09:10 AM »
I tried Neo.  I like it a lot.  It would be very helpful with my packaging workflow.  I do fear for its future with Esko buying Artworks.  Esko has PackEdge which is Neo and Pitstop combined and then add some muscle.
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Re: Neo - Any Takers?
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2007, 09:39:16 AM »


packaging here. looked at neo and its good bu is not cheap. there's always artpro for importing pdf - but thats silly....

packedge and its tools are good again - but not cheap - it depends on budget and the type of work i suppose. global chamges in a multi page pdf would be easy with pitstop, maybe not with neo.

in the end, with our small budget, i bought oris pdf tuner. works really well for us, but the interface is maddenningly cranky - and i see no change in the foreseeable

the only thing with pdf tuner is it distills pdf out - but i always check the resulting pdf in acrobat and so far have had no issues at all. there's no global change as such - but you can select same fills/strokes/attributes - so i guess that'll be good enough. will handle icc profiles no probs, has vector tools, can edit images within pdf tuner as well (not as nice as photoshop though)

auto traps, transparency - it does a great deal for the £1100 tag (including training). it's not a holy grail solution - there isnt one, but pdf tuner is ok for us, with acrobat as well, then pdf into indy for sheet layout and wallop - done.

i'd decide what packages need to do, and then find out what they cant do that you need - little help, but neo for me gets an 8 outta 10
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Re: Neo - Any Takers?
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2007, 01:05:18 PM »
Ineresting stuff, especially Joe's notes on its' shortcomings. We still have Pitstop for those situations, but if it's a decision between a site license of PitStop for the remaining workstations, or Neo on only one or two, I think PitStop will win out.
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Re: Neo - Any Takers?
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2007, 07:58:49 PM »
Quote from: Slappy on September 18, 2007, 01:05:18 PM
Ineresting stuff, especially Joe's notes on its' shortcomings. We still have Pitstop for those situations, but if it's a decision between a site license of PitStop for the remaining workstations, or Neo on only one or two, I think PitStop will win out.


How many Pitstops do you have or need?

I can get away with 3 (2 for guys to use in production and one on my laptop for testing/troubleshooting/research etc.)
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Re: Neo - Any Takers?
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2007, 10:01:27 AM »
We operate 2 locations, so probably 2 licenses here and at least 2 at the other shop. They have more people on prep, but would likely only have 1 or 2 guys using PitStop at any given time.
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Re: Neo - Any Takers?
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2007, 12:47:29 PM »
I checked it out, downloaded the trial version, think we will stick with PitStop, Neo is to pricey for the amount we will use it.

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Re: Neo - Any Takers?
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2007, 02:00:55 PM »
Hey Slappy, et al, I was looking into NEO too, before I saw the price tag. Pitstop is still filling our needs, however, we do have a couple of extra Kodak tools in ours that came with Prinergy like TrapEditor. Holding off on the purchase of NEO here.
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Re: Neo - Any Takers?
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2007, 10:17:55 AM »
Complete topic hi-jack I know....but something I been "dealing" with for awhile.
We have Preps 5.2 and 5.3 on 4 workstations. Two have Acrobat Pro and Pitstop- two don't. When setting the prefs in Preps/ PDF even when I tell Preps to use Internal Converter on the machines without Acro Pro when I relaunch it keeps asking for the Pro version (old outdated message "Acrobat Exchange cannot be located...). I have been able to get around this by pointing prefs to a version of Acrobat Pro on another network Mac, but....
Why does Preps insist on seeing Acrobat Pro?

...posted this over on Kodak Systems forum where it belongs... tho there ain't never any traffic there!
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Re: Neo - Any Takers?
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2007, 11:37:10 AM »
Quote from: tapdn on December 19, 2007, 10:17:55 AM
Complete topic hi-jack I know....but something I been "dealing" with for awhile.
We have Preps 5.2 and 5.3 on 4 workstations. Two have Acrobat Pro and Pitstop- two don't. When setting the prefs in Preps/ PDF even when I tell Preps to use Internal Converter on the machines without Acro Pro when I relaunch it keeps asking for the Pro version (old outdated message "Acrobat Exchange cannot be located...). I have been able to get around this by pointing prefs to a version of Acrobat Pro on another network Mac, but....
Why does Preps insist on seeing Acrobat Pro?

...posted this over on Kodak Systems forum where it belongs... tho there ain't never any traffic there!


Replied over there before I saw it here. It should actually be in the Kodak Preps forum. ;D
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Re: Neo - Any Takers?
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2008, 09:45:30 AM »
We downloaded and installed a 30day free trial, it's day 3 and I'm very impressed.
I think we're going to buy 1 seat, which I hear is dongled now, but soon will be floating license.
Floating license would be sweet so I hope it's true.
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Re: Neo - Any Takers?
« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2008, 09:48:29 AM »
Quote from: born2print on August 08, 2008, 09:45:30 AM
We downloaded and installed a 30day free trial, it's day 3 and I'm very impressed.
I think we're going to buy 1 seat, which I hear is dongled now, but soon will be floating license.
Floating license would be sweet so I hope it's true.
http://www.enfocus.com/product.php?id=4355


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Re: Neo - Any Takers?
« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2008, 09:53:28 AM »
I see why.
With the text, tint, blend and image editing, (plus PitStop, plus the Kodak trapping in AcroPro)
PDFs will bow at our feet :ninja2:
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Re: Neo - Any Takers?
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2008, 09:55:26 AM »
Quote from: born2print on August 08, 2008, 09:53:28 AM
I see why.
With the text, tint, blend and image editing, (plus PitStop, plus the Kodak trapping in AcroPro)
PDFs will bow at our feet :ninja2:


It is a very costly App, but I was able to pry a copy out of management when they saw what they could charge, versus how much time I actually worked! PDFs are spit!
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