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impodave
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XMF Newbie Blues ....
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February 07, 2010, 04:20:22 PM »
Well. I've spent most of the day here puttering through the imposition controls - built my first impo to my liking. Where do you save this wonderful first template once you've completed it? The only place looks like the imposition Template Folder . I guess I'm confused. I've been told that I need to work from impos saved as Stripping SHEET templates - how do I get them to there ? Do I sound confused enough ???
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Re: XMF Newbie Blues ....
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February 08, 2010, 01:42:41 AM »
...by 'Save Template' radio button in the Impo Menu window. It should throw up a dialogue box, headed Stripping Sheet Templates, where you can name it, and save. Similar to saving a .DSH from the Sheets area in Dynastrip.
You will then access it by 'Replace' button. Find that. Pretty sure it's in the Sheets window.
It is your friend. Clicking on that takes you to your list of SSTs, where you can choose a previously save one. But you have to be replacing
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sort of impo...anything. You can't access 'em 'cold' like in Dyna.
But, and here's the but...after your first one's in place, you click on the "new" button to add further ones.
Yeah, I know, but you'll get used to it.
No linear logic there, just sayin' is all...
Damn, I hope those window designations are correct. I'm at home, and our work internet's been down all day...into tomorrow.
Hang in there, mate. Lack of familiarity only.
Oh, BTW. Imposition Templates are another beast. I think maybe we're talking Stripping Templates. These are set-page-count impo's made up of several/multiple Sheets, but then given a name like say: A4_52pp_4ppCover+6x8ppSheets...as an example. That one could then be dragged in as an entire impo. But it's not an SST. SSTs are the building blocks for Stripping Templates, in the first inst., I guess.
I work in SSTs only.
How are you travelling with the diff between Job Description vs. Plates, (Green Icon>Click) for Output stuff? When we're netted up again tomorrow, I can post some screenshots.
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February 08, 2010, 05:49:03 PM »
Well, I've made it through day 3 of XMF.. Didn't get much work done, though......
Like the Fuji rep told me, this impo program is not as 'robust' as the Dynastrip program is.
There are some features that my pressroom and bindery are used to, that they may have to do without now, as if I don't receive enough complaining already about everything under the sun ....
We don't know if we will stick with this or not - we've already called Fuji and there will probably be more discussion tomorrow...
Frailer, thanks for all of your input. I guess the best thing one should do if one wants to change something major like this, is to go spend a day or 2 where someone is using it, rather than viewing a twenty minute webinar or seeing a slick presentation at the Trade Show ...
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February 08, 2010, 06:15:19 PM »
Frailer, I thought I would talk a little about how these workflows were set up. I don't have any captures to show you - probably because I've never done one. I have three presses - a five color 25 inch, a two-color 29 Inch, and a small format 2-color - all Heidelberg.
The tech created three Job flows for each - one is all colors, one is k + spots, one is spots only. One problem we had with Eskos flows were that extra color(CMYK) would appear in spot color or K+spot color jobs. I would have to add holds to all of my plates and release the ones I needed, avoiding a bunch of metal with marks-only on them. Esko had no solution for that - they said careful review of the files was the answer. Fuji was able to head it off when releasing to plate - which was a good thing. I don't know if that is the best way to handle it - I would be open to any comments from anyone concerning that.
I did create one stripping sheet template today - called it 19x25_8.5x11_8PG_SS, pretty much using the same naming I used in Dyna.
But when I tried to edit it, It became apparent that the outside marks and clipping path follow the sig size - Dyna has something called Linear Marks which stay with the sheet, not the sig. My pressroom and bindery like marks that run off the sheet... And I still believe that the clipping function should be optional. Also, The density bars (patches)adjust to the page size - where in XMF they run all the way across the sheet.
I will be the first to say that it may be that I need to just suck it up and adjust, but I see me spending all day plus in pre-press from now on rather than the two hours a day that I was spending before - that included editing and building impos, and sending all results to platemaking and proofing...
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February 09, 2010, 03:53:15 AM »
Sorry, impodave. If I was a Help Line...I'd be sacked!
No 'net at work for 2 days. Super-flaky 'net at home. (It's 8PM here now). After diving under the desk like a gopher several times to reconnect modem and router...I have it back for...maybe 5 mins.
All I can say is, I think you'll be able to wring what you need out of it. You wiil wrestle it to the ground over 2-3 weeks. TBH, I haven't encountered too much that Dyna could do that it can't. It does a lot of things better, IMO.
Just trying to address your Marks thing. I didn't use Static Marks much, so can't comment too much. I have a feeling that the Color squares in the standard marks area should give you a similar functionality to Dyna Density bars. I've got used to using Custom Marks in XMF, as our printers like solid 3mm cmyk marks at the back. Have built up a Library of them, pretty quickly from Illy. Just varying lengths through the range. I find their 'repeat' function too clunky...anyway, mine's broke anyway, on my Client.
Clipping...I don't see why you couldn't extend them so they let your marks fall off whatever sheet you are setting up. Once they're in a SST...shouldn't have to think about it again. They're adjustable 4 ways, and pretty arbitrary, as far as I can tell.
I think in Dyna you could attach stuff to either, page, sig, or sheet. Personally, I got badly bitten by attaching to a Sheet in Dyna. Color markers fell inside a job after editing the Sig. Ouch! Just saying...
Unwanted colors at output time. Yep, you can uncheck 'em at plate-release time. I do it all the time. In fact, it's default, I believe, for it to ask you via check boxes, whether you want them all released. You may be able to disable delete further upstream. It's something I'd need to look at.
having said that, sounds like the tech's set you up OK....for each press, Mono, process, Process+Spot....
OK, made a point of noting at work today. 'Save As Template' for saving a SST is under the Sheets menu. As is the 'Replace' button, for prompting the SST list into view. Makes sense, as you're adding Template Sheets, Like Dyna.
I've just received, finally, a new cable modem by postal courier today. After I reset this for 5 mins., I may take the plunge and try and hook it up. Wish me luck...
Talk soon, and fire 'em off at me. I;m still learning stuff inside it, but am getting very attached to it. I don't really take the Fuji tech's comments too seriously about Dyna being 'robust'. I never found it so. But we only got to 4.6.2.
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Re: XMF Newbie Blues ....
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February 09, 2010, 02:59:24 PM »
Having problems with position on plate. Jobs being sent thru Dyna are perfect. What am I doing wrong ?/ Went thru the same deal with our first flow 6 years ago .....
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February 09, 2010, 06:32:26 PM »
In particular, the lower left (bottom)corner of the paper is positioned right at the lower left corner of the plate. Not sure what to do about this one...... I've tried everything ....anything I send out of Dyna is perfect..... I should be able to spec any run size paper right ?? I just don't get it.
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February 09, 2010, 08:19:14 PM »
Just got our 'net back on at work here 5 mins ago, literally.
Am without it at home too. Another story.
See attached screenshot. I'm imagining you're having trouble with the positioning function. The Blue square is your "position to" marker. The red diamond is your "job marker for positioning". For want of a better description.
To position blue marker, hold down Shift+Ctrl...click on, say, centre of plate, at bottom. It will spring to centre...like the '9 points in Dyna. Then, still holding down, (though it may be unnecessary at this stage, but do it anyway), click in the bottom centre of your job/sheet. Red diamond should spring to bottom-centre of your job/sheet.
Then, to the right, where all the fields are, enter your necessary X,Y values. probably X=0, Y=xx(your plate grip). Hit 'Update' button.
If this doesn't work, a little more info...
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February 09, 2010, 08:42:06 PM »
Hey....
I'm home now - 11 hour day +
Thanks for the help. I somehow got it right later in the day. Not sure what I did, but I think it was an entry error in the base template. I'll review the job files in the morning. Either I misunderstood the exchange this morning, or the Fuji support person was in error. What I perceived that he told me to do didn't seem to work. So, Do you use punch depth ? It looks like one big gripper from here. DB
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February 09, 2010, 08:57:51 PM »
Hi DB. The above procedure will become second nature, and it's quite quick. We don't take into account punch distance, just a grip distance. our Komoris have a 53mm grip, quite big, I guess. But note, that in that instance, I would be clicking in a job on the second click (red diamond), on or near the relevant corner trim intersection. (screenshot below). The red diamond is programmed to jump to corner trims, corner of sheet...whatever it's closest to. pretty nifty. When making up an impo, I'd be clicking on one of the corner head trims, near the centre double-cut. Then, if it was a 6mm D/cut, I'd enter X= -3mm, Y=0>Update. This would then centre my Sig. on the plate. But this is in XMF imposed jobs. For a Dyna job, you're going to be hitting the bottom centre of the Dyna job. Positioning to trims is irrelevant, as it's pre-imposed. In that case you've got to account for your paper grip, and subtract it. You're just positioning a sheet, not an impo.
Be careful though, when you get to impose jobs in XMF. If you've gone off and adjusted other stuff, becareful to check the X offset. It may have moved, though most times it won't. In that case you'd reset it via the blue square/red diamond. Hope that makes sense.
...forgot s/shot...
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February 09, 2010, 09:19:19 PM »
The first capture seems easy. The second one...err......not so sure.
Anyway. I'm off to bed ....didn't have much of an evening tonite.
By the by, don't you think it would've been nice if someone (Fuji) had mentioned that I would need a G5 at my station? Three freezeups and a call later, I had switched to the server computer for the afternoon/evening...
Going to have to change some 'puters around ....
Take Care...Later....
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February 09, 2010, 09:22:20 PM »
Cheers...chat tomorrow. Now that I'm back online.
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February 09, 2010, 10:01:09 PM »
A bit (too) quiet here. Have taken some captures which are little things I tripped up on in the past few weeks/months.
-under Assembly Sections, watch out for that little drop-down at the bottom. (pic1). You can be going around in circles wondering why something's not working...you're probably in Perfect Bound...should be in None...or something. It's a 'lurker'.
-make sure your Work Style is set correctly here! Pic4.
-when you're kicking off on a new impo. you can always start here. But it's the lower 'New" button. Not the top one.
The lower one will take you into an editing space, where you can set number of pages vertically/horizontally, single/double sided etc.
there are too many random 'New' buttons in XMF. Just be aware of what they do.
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February 09, 2010, 10:01:43 PM »
...third capture...
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Ahem...I love Preps!
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