Can someone explain this

Started by Lammy, November 28, 2012, 04:53:58 PM

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Lammy

Client gave us an Indesign file in spreads for a perfect bound book. When I change it from spreads to single pages all the images save the one the bleeds on the outside move a half of an inch to the right.

Why?  :wtf:


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Quote from: pspdfppdfx on December 06, 2012, 05:03:51 PM
So,  :drunk3: i send the job to the rip with live transparecy (v 1.7 or whatever) and it craps out with a memory error.

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Joe

I don't really know why but why would you want to change them to single pages?
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t-pat

fixing it should be fairly straightforward using this script (found in automation/scripts/application/samples)
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DCurry

Instead of changing to single pages, select all the spreads and go to the pages palette flyout menu and uncheck "Allow selected spreads to shuffle."
If you do it right, the page numbers beneath the thumbnails will have brackets around them (see screenshot called "during." Then you can select the right-hand page and drag its thumbnail to the right. It will split the spread, but keep it in the right position in relation to the gutter (screenshot "after.")
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Or just PDF it into single pages.
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Quote from: pspdfppdfx on December 06, 2012, 05:03:51 PM
So,  :drunk3: i send the job to the rip with live transparecy (v 1.7 or whatever) and it craps out with a memory error.

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DCurry

Quote from: gnubler on November 28, 2012, 09:54:28 PMOr just PDF it into single pages.

That won't work if elements come right up to the gutter but don't cross over. Also depends on the bindery preferences if they want bleed in the grindoff area or not. We don't put bleed there, but I know a bindery in town that prefers it that way.
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Quote from: DCurry on November 28, 2012, 07:27:55 PMInstead of changing to single pages, select all the spreads and go to the pages palette flyout menu and uncheck "Allow selected spreads to shuffle."
If you do it right, the page numbers beneath the thumbnails will have brackets around them (see screenshot called "during." Then you can select the right-hand page and drag its thumbnail to the right. It will split the spread, but keep it in the right position in relation to the gutter (screenshot "after.")

That is cool and something new to me. Is there a common reason to use this type of layout?

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Quote from: Grimace on November 29, 2012, 11:27:39 AM
Quote from: DCurry on November 28, 2012, 07:27:55 PMInstead of changing to single pages, select all the spreads and go to the pages palette flyout menu and uncheck "Allow selected spreads to shuffle."
If you do it right, the page numbers beneath the thumbnails will have brackets around them (see screenshot called "during." Then you can select the right-hand page and drag its thumbnail to the right. It will split the spread, but keep it in the right position in relation to the gutter (screenshot "after.")

That is cool and something new to me. Is there a common reason to use this type of layout?

Like what DCurry explained, I do that for every perfect bound book because you need to have bleed on the inside of the page that goes into the binding. You may not need to pull apart all the spreads. It all depends on whether the page should bleed or not.

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Quote from: DCurry on November 29, 2012, 10:36:53 AM
Quote from: gnubler on November 28, 2012, 09:54:28 PMOr just PDF it into single pages.

That won't work if elements come right up to the gutter but don't cross over. Also depends on the bindery preferences if they want bleed in the grindoff area or not. We don't put bleed there, but I know a bindery in town that prefers it that way.
That's a good point, we used to do whatever it took to get bleed into the grind but after PDFs took over, no one was interested in kicking back for all new files so we tried some without and our Pbind vendors all seem to cope without any. Now we don't bother unless it's safe/easy to do so.
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grindoff bleed seems so pointless. You won't find it unless you break the spine.
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Quote from: t-pat on November 29, 2012, 05:12:06 PMgrindoff bleed seems so pointless. You won't find it unless you break the spine.

Obviously you have not seen the work of our bindery. :laugh:
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Quote from: DHG on November 29, 2012, 02:31:55 PM
Quote from: Grimace on November 29, 2012, 11:27:39 AM
Quote from: DCurry on November 28, 2012, 07:27:55 PMInstead of changing to single pages, select all the spreads and go to the pages palette flyout menu and uncheck "Allow selected spreads to shuffle."
If you do it right, the page numbers beneath the thumbnails will have brackets around them (see screenshot called "during." Then you can select the right-hand page and drag its thumbnail to the right. It will split the spread, but keep it in the right position in relation to the gutter (screenshot "after.")

That is cool and something new to me. Is there a common reason to use this type of layout?

Like what DCurry explained, I do that for every perfect bound book because you need to have bleed on the inside of the page that goes into the binding. You may not need to pull apart all the spreads. It all depends on whether the page should bleed or not.

Thanks. I have always just handled inside bleed in the imposition. But now that I know about this, I'm sure a job will present itself.

gnubler

Quote from: t-pat on November 29, 2012, 05:12:06 PMgrindoff...bleed...pointless...break the spine.

I hope we're talking about sales slime here.
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Quote from: pspdfppdfx on December 06, 2012, 05:03:51 PM
So,  :drunk3: i send the job to the rip with live transparecy (v 1.7 or whatever) and it craps out with a memory error.

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