Anybody using any Preflight software like Flightcheck . . .

[DigitalCrapShoveler]

and Joe - a shitload more? Don't you live in the middle of nowhere? Must be nice!

Have to have time to spend it. :laugh:

Yes, I work about 70+ hours a week right now. Still on hourly, absolutely REFUSE to make salary.

I'm hourly too... although I'm only averaging about 45 hours a week right now. Still, that's up from earlier in the year. October came along, and we got busy... and it hasn't let up at all.

I'd work for DCS if I made his money. Never mind the random chainsaw injuries and bear traps in my chair.

It's the hardest money I have ever had to make. I used to bend neon and install signs for pretty good money back in the good old days, I would never go back, but it was easy compared to Prepress.

[DigiCorn]

Sorry to put this back on topic, but doesn't anyone use InDesign's built-in preflight? It's pretty good and you can build profiles for different circumstances.

Again, I think these tools are more for people that have no clue how to do it manually. I don't mean to step on anyone's toes, we all have our own technique, but why would you ever trust a machine to do a job you specialize in? To put any credence into automation is signing your own vocational death warrant in printing.

I have several profiles set for this in ID. Most of the time, I disable it because it makes the application run too slowly, and again a lot of paranoid erroneous errors are reported. I could give a fcuk if a customer disproportionally scaled their raster file. I turn on the overprint and trust my eyes when I page through their shit.

[DigitalCrapShoveler]

Sorry to put this back on topic, but doesn't anyone use InDesign's built-in preflight? It's pretty good and you can build profiles for different circumstances.

Again, I think these tools are more for people that have no clue how to do it manually. I don't mean to step on anyone's toes, we all have our own technique, but why would you ever trust a machine to do a job you specialize in? To put any credence into automation is signing your own vocational death warrant in printing.

I have several profiles set for this in ID. Most of the time, I disable it because it makes the application run too slowly, and again a lot of paranoid erroneous errors are reported. I could give a fcuk if a customer disproportionally scaled their raster file. I turn on the overprint and trust my eyes when I page through their shit.

Amen.

[DigiCorn]

and Joe - a shitload more? Don't you live in the middle of nowhere? Must be nice!

Have to have time to spend it. :laugh:

Yes, I work about 70+ hours a week right now. Still on hourly, absolutely REFUSE to make salary.

I'm hourly too... although I'm only averaging about 45 hours a week right now. Still, that's up from earlier in the year. October came along, and we got busy... and it hasn't let up at all.

I'd work for DCS if I made his money. Never mind the random chainsaw injuries and bear traps in my chair.

It's the hardest money I have ever had to make. I used to bend neon and install signs for pretty good money back in the good old days, I would never go back, but it was easy compared to Prepress.

That's funny. I once drew "as-builts" for an electrical engineer in autocad, but later cut and applied vinyl and acrylic lettering for signs for almost no money. I too would never go back.

[David]

I used to work for money...

[NefariousDrO]

Heh. I used to work retail for Barnes & Noble Bookstores. Managed their magazine department for a huge store. It wasn't great money, but I had access to alot of great stuff. Of course, along with that was being treated like crap by the customers every day didn't help my view of humanity much, either. As maddening as prepress can be, I'll take it over retail without even hesitating.

[t-pat]

not sure if I did quite a good enough job of derailing this topic 

sort of regretting it now though

[DigitalCrapShoveler]

not sure if I did quite a good enough job of derailing this topic 

sort of regretting it now though

No regrets on the B4, it's all good banter.

[gnubler]

I'd rather work triple shifts of prepress than work in retail or anything involving customer service.

There would be a fight within one day followed by me getting fired and/or arrested.

Prepress keeps me calm. :laugh:

[t-pat]

I'd rather work triple shifts of prepress than work in retail or anything involving customer service.

There would be a fight within one day followed by me getting fired and/or arrested.

Prepress keeps me calm. :laugh:

if any of that actually paid I'd probably do it over this. At least you'd deal with stupid people that you expect to be stupid, not so-called professionals.

[DCurry]

Again, I think these tools are more for people that have no clue how to do it manually. I don't mean to step on anyone's toes, we all have our own technique, but why would you ever trust a machine to do a job you specialize in? To put any credence into automation is signing your own vocational death warrant in printing.

I don't look at it as letting the machine do my job. I use it as a tool that lets me know what needs a closer look or what could cause problems. I am not suggesting that it is a substitute for human analysis; merely a starting point.

As for slowing down the the application, it can do that so I turn it off after I've gleaned the necessary info from it.

I would estimate that 85-90% of the files I receive are perfect, but I guess that's the benefit of having a well-trained inhouse design department. Actually it makes things kinda boring.

[DigitalCrapShoveler]

Do you receive outside jobs from agencies, etc.?

[DigitalCrapShoveler]

I have to check everything anyway. I don't have a clue what to expect 99% of the time, so I make the rounds. Preflighting anything, for me, would be suicide.

[Tracy]

Again, I think these tools are more for people that have no clue how to do it manually. I don't mean to step on anyone's toes, we all have our own technique, but why would you ever trust a machine to do a job you specialize in? To put any credence into automation is signing your own vocational death warrant in printing.

I don't look at it as letting the machine do my job. I use it as a tool that lets me know what needs a closer look or what could cause problems. I am not suggesting that it is a substitute for human analysis; merely a starting point.

As for slowing down the the application, it can do that so I turn it off after I've gleaned the necessary info from it.

I would estimate that 85-90% of the files I receive are perfect, but I guess that's the benefit of having a well-trained inhouse design department. Actually it makes things kinda boring.

I would love some boring once in awhile :laugh:

[DCurry]

Do you receive outside jobs from agencies, etc.?

A very small amount - the remaining 10-15% of my overall workload. We have one monthly newsletter (our largest job by far - approx. 1 million qty.) that comes from an agency, and even that is built pretty well because we have educated them from the onset about what to do and not do.