Goodbye, prepress

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Designia(o_O)

I can't imagine a newspaper or magazine hiring a freelancer just to work on pics from the outside. Not to bum you out Syphon, but the reality is the photographers I've worked with do their own photoediting, I just supplied them with the profiles. Major big city newspapers are laying off most of their photographers (Pulitzer prize winners) and making the staff that's left use iPhones. No one gives a shit anymore.

DigiCorn

Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on July 12, 2014, 10:08:55 PM
Quote from: Joe on July 12, 2014, 01:43:08 PM:wtf: I thought the offer was for all of us. I already had my suitcase packed! :tongue:

She isn't responding, I still need someone... Joe, if I could get you down here... where would I end up? Of course, the offer would stand for you. As long as you sign a waiver that you won't try to take my job. :laugh:
It'd be a pay cut... and a lifestyle cut. Tell you what; You move the business to the Seattle/Olympia/Portland/Eugene area and I'll take it.
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DigitalCrapShoveler

I just don't agree with the freelance photography thing not being a viable career. Yes, digital cameras have taken a lot of that work away, but good photography is still not an easy thing to come by and publications such as National Geographic, car magazines, hell, even Playboy and porn DO NOT use digital cameras off a cell phone by the secretary up front.

You have to have an eye to shoot good photos, and Syphon MOST assuredly has it. It's all about getting involved in the community and finding your niche. There is absolutely nothing wrong with pursuing your passions and this bullshit about the internet, camera phones and easy, this and that and not caring anymore is just nonsense.

I personally know several freelance photographers that make a VERY good living, and really look at the shit you print, if you do publication work... if you think amateurs are shooting most of that, you're wrong.

I have to fix professional photography all the time. Photographers usually have no clue about what looks good in print versus what they see on screen. I am not suggesting Syphon try to make a career out of editing images. I am suggesting he does it all from concept, to photography to editing. THE WHOLE PACKAGE.
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Designia(o_O)

Quote from: Syphon on July 13, 2014, 09:12:07 AMI would hope that there would be a job of working at home fixing photos.
There is so many crappy photos out there, you would think there be a need.
But of course, one would get very tired after a little while of fixing "selfies."

This was the type of job I was referring to.  I don't believe there's a market for for fixing photos at home freelancing out to newspapers and magazines. Opening a photography studio is a completely different animal.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/1/4386074/chicago-sun-times-cuts-entire-photography-staff-trains-reporters-iphone

DigitalCrapShoveler

Quote from: Designia on July 14, 2014, 12:03:38 PM
Quote from: Syphon on July 13, 2014, 09:12:07 AMI would hope that there would be a job of working at home fixing photos.
There is so many crappy photos out there, you would think there be a need.
But of course, one would get very tired after a little while of fixing "selfies."

This was the type of job I was referring to.  I don't believe there's a market for for fixing photos at home freelancing out to newspapers and magazines. Opening a photography studio is a completely different animal.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/1/4386074/chicago-sun-times-cuts-entire-photography-staff-trains-reporters-iphone

Absolutely, I totally agree with that. Syphon, go take some more pictures and show the world what you can do, my man.
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Farabomb

I was wondering who from here was on my G+ with all the photos.

You really do have a good eye there, sir.
Speed doesn't kill, rapidly becoming stationary is the problem

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Quote from: Farabomb on April 06, 2016, 11:39:41 AMIt's more like grip, grip, grip, noise, then spin and 2 feet in and feel shame.
I once knew a plus-sized girl and this pretty much describes teh secks. :rotf:
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DigitalCrapShoveler

I know right, the guy is bad ass.
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Ear

Dude got dat glass eye.  :toaster:
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Syphon

Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on July 13, 2014, 04:40:57 PMSyphon, maybe you are going about this all wrong. You definitely have an eye for photography and photo enhancements. Why not get a really good portfolio together with your best stuff, and start hitting up magazines and online publications. It only takes one willing to take a shot to get your career off the ground. You are far better than a lot of photographers I have seen making a shitload of cash out here.

Are you a member of any photography clubs? I know of a publication we print here called PSA. It showcases photography from all over the world and some of it is REALLY good, and some of it is REALLY bad. I think you would do well. If you would like, I can get you the information. Joining a community of like minded artists can lead to all sorts of possibilities. Being at the right place and the right time, and knowing JUST the right person... you know what I'm saying.

Have you entered any of your work in any contests? That can also lead to possibilities. You are really good, man. I've been watching your photography flourish over the years... I am blown away by a lot of it. The old hearse image you shot a few years back? One of my favorite images of ALL TIME. I would love to have the original, but you know what? I wouldn't even ask for a copy without paying you for it. Shoot me a price and we'll talk about it... if you're interested.

Thanks DigitalCrapShoveler.
I do get a lot of support from friends and family. I do not know if I ever mentioned it here on B4print, but I have been a member of NAPP (National Association of Photoshop Professionals) for years. One learns a lot from professional photographers at NAPP, that's where I learned everything about Photoshop/Photography.

We do have some local galleries that I am looking at seeing about displaying some stuff. Also, I have a SmugMug page setup to sell prints, etc.
But, I am hoping to create my own book of photos in the next couple of years.

As for the old hearst, you buy a print from my SmugMug, here is the link: http://jfphoto65.smugmug.com/Other/Black-and-White/i-FwS5q7b/0/X3/20110727-_MG_1496-BW-X3.jpg

But if you want a photoshop TIF file, here is a copy for you man. You deserve it after what you and your family been through:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18770304/20110727-_MG_1496-BW.tif
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Designia(o_O)

That's fabulous! I was wondering about "hearse" but that's beautiful. Kinda steampunk, which I really love, hope that doesn't offend :)

DigitalCrapShoveler

Quote from: Syphon on July 15, 2014, 07:17:09 PM
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on July 13, 2014, 04:40:57 PMSyphon, maybe you are going about this all wrong. You definitely have an eye for photography and photo enhancements. Why not get a really good portfolio together with your best stuff, and start hitting up magazines and online publications. It only takes one willing to take a shot to get your career off the ground. You are far better than a lot of photographers I have seen making a shitload of cash out here.

Are you a member of any photography clubs? I know of a publication we print here called PSA. It showcases photography from all over the world and some of it is REALLY good, and some of it is REALLY bad. I think you would do well. If you would like, I can get you the information. Joining a community of like minded artists can lead to all sorts of possibilities. Being at the right place and the right time, and knowing JUST the right person... you know what I'm saying.

Have you entered any of your work in any contests? That can also lead to possibilities. You are really good, man. I've been watching your photography flourish over the years... I am blown away by a lot of it. The old hearse image you shot a few years back? One of my favorite images of ALL TIME. I would love to have the original, but you know what? I wouldn't even ask for a copy without paying you for it. Shoot me a price and we'll talk about it... if you're interested.

Thanks DigitalCrapShoveler.
I do get a lot of support from friends and family. I do not know if I ever mentioned it here on B4print, but I have been a member of NAPP (National Association of Photoshop Professionals) for years. One learns a lot from professional photographers at NAPP, that's where I learned everything about Photoshop/Photography.

We do have some local galleries that I am looking at seeing about displaying some stuff. Also, I have a SmugMug page setup to sell prints, etc.
But, I am hoping to create my own book of photos in the next couple of years.

As for the old hearst, you buy a print from my SmugMug, here is the link: http://jfphoto65.smugmug.com/Other/Black-and-White/i-FwS5q7b/0/X3/20110727-_MG_1496-BW-X3.jpg

But if you want a photoshop TIF file, here is a copy for you man. You deserve it after what you and your family been through:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18770304/20110727-_MG_1496-BW.tif

Thanks, man... you already know how I feel about your kindness and what I think about your work. I hope you continue, practice makes perfect and you are one of the best I have seen in a LONG time. Keep it up. my friend.
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dlink

Not here. I'm happy here.

Fontaholic

Quote from: dlink on May 12, 2016, 05:19:56 AMNot here. I'm happy here.

Wait -- what??!

Someone who's actually happy in prepress???!!!??!!?!

Cheers,
John the Fontaholic :drunk3:

Farabomb

 :toaster:

Dude, it's a bot. NOBODY IS HAPPY IN PREPRESS.

Well, I'll be happy after the boss leaves and I can start spray painting my RC car body. Not that it would stop me if he was here...
Speed doesn't kill, rapidly becoming stationary is the problem

I'd rather have stories told than be telling stories of what I could have done.

Quote from: Ear on April 06, 2016, 11:54:16 AM
Quote from: Farabomb on April 06, 2016, 11:39:41 AMIt's more like grip, grip, grip, noise, then spin and 2 feet in and feel shame.
I once knew a plus-sized girl and this pretty much describes teh secks. :rotf:
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
         —Benjamin Franklin

My other job

wonderings

Quote from: Farabomb on May 12, 2016, 08:02:57 AM:toaster:

Dude, it's a bot. NOBODY IS HAPPY IN PREPRESS.

Well, I'll be happy after the boss leaves and I can start spray painting my RC car body. Not that it would stop me if he was here...

I would not say "nobody is happy" I enjoy my job in pre press, look forward to heading into work in the morning. Now I do not see a fraction of the problems people complain about here so that obviously helps. It is an interesting job, lots of tech, software and things to keep up on. There is an element of pride in the job as well, it is the family business, 3 generations in.