As most of you know, I've been working for a small shop where conditions were so poor the entire staff walked out three weeks ago. This is a union shop and we (the employees) are currently in talks with the union to try to work out an agreement but the business owner has so far refused numerous requests for a meeting and has locked us out of the building. While the other employees want to fight their way back into their jobs, I really think my days in printing are over. I started updating my resume and even had an interview last week with a screen printer. I was given a 1 hour skill test – guess what it was? Make a vector out of a shitty JPG. I sat there squirming for an hour, thinking "Why the FUCK do I want to do this again?". There's an ad on my craigslist for a graphic designer and the background check includes "SSN/SIN validation, education verification, employment verification, criminal check, search against global sanctions and government watch lists, fingerprint verification, credit check, and/or drug test" WTF? Go through all that shit so I can sit in front of a computer all day fooling around with crappy JPGs and designing things that go straight into the trash? The salaries are getting lower and lower to the point of no longer being valued as a skilled trade (which it is) and the level of stress & sheer boredom just isn't worth it. I've really put a lot of thought into this and I think I'm saying goodbye, prepress.
I'm still on the low side of 40 and I want to get into some other skilled trade, one that is more recession-proof and might allow me to one day be self-employed. Some things that interest me are locksmithing, woodworking (like cabinet & furniture making), welding, electrical work, tile work, or pretty much any trade that doesn't require heavy labor or lifting. I'm a 125# female so I'm not going to pretend I can get a job at a construction site pushing wheelbarrows of bricks or running a jackhammer. Most of you know I'm really into vegetable gardening, but I just don't see much profit in doing farm work and I probably won't learn anything I don't already know. Go work on someone's farm all day, then come home and tend to my own garden? Seems dumb.
Planning on responding to some classified ads, enlisting with staffing agencies for temp work, checking out the state workforce services, and even contacting companies that interest me offering myself as a minimum wage slave in return for training. Might look into classes at the vocational college.
What kind of work would you guys do if you just dumped prepress today? What types of trades do you feel are recession proof and will always be in need? Do you think I'll encounter obstacles due to my age or gender?
Sorry to hear this,i wish you best of luck on whatever you decide to do.
I've given a lot of thought on this,for i 'll soon probably be in the same position with you.
First scenario is to work as a freelancer,offering all kind of services-photography,design,sign making,printing and site constructing/maintaining-thats why i was asking-.
Do what i can on my own,''outsource'' the rest.
I see a lot of people offering such services without basic knowledge of basic things,so i think i could make a living of some short.
Second scenario-more difficult- would be to provide a kind of support/training to surviving small shops who can't afford ''official'' suport.
Thinks i'd like to do and believe that are '' recession proof'' but for various reasons for each one are hard for me to get into are:
Food trade.
Servicing/maintaining medical equipment.
Anything to do with specific agricultural production-special herbs etc-.
ps I never feel nostalgic about the ''good old days'' -drum scanners,stripping and stuff-,i'd really like a change,but i'd feel-and i'm already feelin- sorry for all that reading and experience to be thrown away just like that...
Look at the medical field Gnub. Check and see what qualifications are required for radiology, MRI, etc. You are already comfortable with digital imagery. Demographics show that us boomers are starting to fall apart now so the med field can only get bigger. Other than that check out any suppliers to the medical field. We got into pharma packaging about 20 years ago and haven't looked back.
Wow. I would try to open a business. Ice cream shop, something small no franchise. Or get into freelance design work which I started doing but it takes awhile to get going. Starts off family and friends and then you get referred. I just made $250 on a logo design. I like cash jobs. Although that's great money, those jobs are few and far between. I'd have a hard time getting out of printing. I love it like I hate it. It's what I do. Gnub, I predict you'll be back. But good luck finding something you like.
That's one thing I'll NEVER do. I'll shovel shit before I get into medical. I think that's where you start anyway. :laugh:
No doubt the medical field will always be there. I couldn't do that though. Gravedigger or mortician are pretty secure too.
Woodworking (like cabinet & furniture making)? Be prepared to to buy about $100,000 worth of tools and machinery and a big shop to put it all in.
Around here about all of the tile work or carpet laying has been taken over by Mexicans. Not really any money to be made in it.
You could move to Colorado or Washington and start a pot farm. :laugh: I think it will be hard for an individual to survive in that market place though.
Locksmithing could be interesting. The old method of a lock with a physical key won't be around for much longer though. But there will always be locks.
Web Developer? I keed...I keed! :laugh:
Really, if there was something else better wouldn't we all be doing it already?
We have this conversation in my house every few weeks any more, some times more often. It kind of boils down to - what else are you good at, that's marketable and in demand? I'm good at what I currently do and short of learning coding or web development, phone app creation I don't see moving out of the industry honestly. I guess I could do medical imaging, and I bet it pays pretty well but it seems like such a "blah" 8:30-5 grind I don't think most of us are geared towards that kind of monotony.
Or, how much are you willing to sacrifice to do something way outside your comfort zone or means? As Joe said, a lot of the things we think would be fantastic are also costly as shit. Franchises require a ton of cash-on-hand and you're still playing to a corporate entity's fiddle. Starting up a small business & getting a loan, these days? I don't know, maybe it's feasible depending on the business, who's loaning the money and knowing what the fuck to even do to make it work.
I think you're a lot like the Wife & I, in that we don't have kids so in theory we have a lot more freedom & fewer financial consequences. Doesn't make taking a risk any less daunting, but maybe you're ready.
Good comments, especially Joe. :laugh:
The thought of doing freelance design work interests me about as much as anything medical related. I don't really want to pursue anything that involves a lot of direct contact with people, especially customers. Maybe gravedigging is for me. I am considering sign making, it's the one part of my last job I didn't totally hate.
I thought of woodworking because I saw some ads on craigslist looking for help, one was to build cabinets for an existing business, in their workshop. I want to start at the bottom of what could grow into a valuable skilled trade, not invest in $100,000 of equipment to start my own business. I hear you about Mexicans and I predict a lot of the things I'm after will result in awkward situations like showing up for a job and being surrounded by 20 Mexican men. I won't exactly fit in. :laugh:
Why do you say physical lock/key won't be around much longer? I know a lot is now electronic (which is a failure in itself being dependant on the grid to operate when it isn't necessary), but as far as I know at least 99.9% of people still use normal keys & locks on a daily basis. It could be a long time until that's phased out. I've heard stories about newer key fobs for cars and just chuckle. If your key is lost you're looking at anywhere from $200 to $800 to replace it. Why are people even accepting this technology?
Our country & society is going through many changes and they are happening fairly quickly. In looking toward the future, I am taking a step back to the past because I think that's where we're all headed.
Ya, Slappy. I don't have children either so that's a load off my back, and am kind of a free spirit. I move a lot. Just tired of spending my days doing something I hate and being treated like crap. I'm not married, have no family, so I pretty much rely on myself to survive.
Quote from: gnubler on September 22, 2013, 09:04:00 PMWhy do you say physical lock/key won't be around much longer? I know a lot is now electronic (which is a failure in itself being dependant on the grid to operate when it isn't necessary), but as far as I know at least 99.9% of people still use normal keys & locks on a daily basis. It could be a long time until that's phased out. I've heard stories about newer key fobs for cars and just chuckle. If your key is lost you're looking at anywhere from $200 to $800 to replace it. Why are people even accepting this technology?
They accept it because it is easier to press a button then fumbling for a key in the key hole in the dark or in a driving rain/snow/sleet/hail storm.
Well, like with cars, there are no old fashion keys anymore and yeah the gadgets they use for keys now are damn expensive to replace. I can see all locks moving to facial recognition, fingerprint scans, serial numbered systems of some sort, etc. Though criminals will start cutting off peoples fingers so they can break into their houses. :laugh: So I don't think you will see many of the traditional key grinders for making keys in the future. They will be miniature circuit boards with a chip built into them. Or an access card like with hotels. So yeah, the physical lock will still be around but not the traditional keys.
Was also kidding about grave digging as 1) have you ever tried digging a hole 6 feet deep and large enough for a vault with a casket inside of it with a plain old shovel (hard-assed manual labor)? and 2) you would need a backhoe or some type of equipment so bring out that big checkbook again.
I was in the same situation a few years ago. I had a great job at a good company and the Bank pulled the plug on our credit. That was that.
I thought long and hard about what else I could do but my options were limited - I don't drive and I have RSI so bad I can't do any kind of manual labour.
I ended up going freelance. I picked up a few customers who I knew from before and it was great for a while.
If you think you can handle it I would try freelance - you might need a part time job at first to keep you going but it's worth a try.
After this week of hell I might be in the same boat Gnub. I tried to get out but was dragged back in. I'm now in a worse state that I was a year ago when I started to get fed up with all the BS that goes on here. My body is falling apart because of the stress and I don't see an easy way out.
I can "FEEL" a lot of the sentiment in this thread, I think most people here are in this same boat.
I'm a 37 year old, experienced, adaptable prepress operator, who is currently reduced to feeding on a 40inch Komori, ... it's not what I want, but the money is decent enough that I'm still doing it.
From my experience (with my patent) the most harsh lesson I've learned so far: If you're going to go "freelance" you either need to BE a decent salesperson or have some existing connections like what StudioMonkey mentioned.
I want to make this printing thing work. The guys in the back are good workers. The fact that it's been almost a year without a platemaker is maddening. I catch hell for proofs not matching (we have changed plates, ink and press chem since it was last footprinted) and I don't even make the plates. Yes they are close but is this seriously how to run a business? You claim that you want better printing than other shops and our guys can do it. You outsoruce plates to a place you can't control that's running a different curve and you're surprised things are going wrong?
Whenever the fact that the proofs aren't matching it's like it's the first he has ever heard of it. He keeps holding on that maybe a retired tech that doesn't really give a shit anymore is going to bring our platemaker back from the dead? I'm also part of the problem. I'm really good with tech and can figure out a lot of things. I managed to adjust the curve when we changed plates because we were busy and couldn't do a proper color test. That was years ago and it hasn't changed. There are issues with the proofs matching but we have struggled though it. That makes it ok in the eyes of the boss to keep doing that.
Just because something can be done doesn't mean it should be done.
Quote from: Farabomb on September 23, 2013, 07:20:02 AMAfter this week of hell I might be in the same boat Gnub. I tried to get out but was dragged back in. I'm now in a worse state that I was a year ago when I started to get fed up with all the BS that goes on here. My body is falling apart because of the stress and I don't see an easy way out.
It isn't getting any better, is it? Seems like each job I get things get shittier and shittier. Or maybe it's just me...
My last job was the final straw. I was bribed over the weekend to go back to work, get my old job back. I declined. I'd rather donate plasma than go back to that shithole.
Before working in printing, I worked for several years as a courier, then a process server/private investigator.
I'd go back to it if things fell through for me in printing.
The courier thing sucked.
The process server thing was pretty damn dealable. Worked 4-6 hours a day, rarely 8. Went into the office maybe once or twice a day, sometimes not at all. Drove around delivering pieces of paper to people, and asking questions. Sometimes I'd get paid to stalk people and report on their activities. Pay was based on performance. If I served my papers and turned in my reports, nobody really cared how as long as I followed the law in doing so.
It did require a background check and fingerprints, but in Illinois it's the same exact check (and card you carry) as a locksmith and alarm tech.
edit: the woman who started the company was a 125# female also, and she LOVED going and doing field work, she was pretty bad ass.
Welding involves lugging around tanks full of flammable stuff, so that might be out.
Since you mentioned electrical work, how about working for an alarm company? They probably install electronic locks also. You'd have to deal with climbing through attics to thread wires around at times, but demand for the work can only go up. The worst thing would be dealing with a nervous housewife who wants to hover like a buzzard while you're working, but just give her the look you give a sausage, and that should fix things.
The medical field is iffy right now, as nobody knows how things will shake out after Obamacare goes into effect.
I still get pissed at times in prepress. One thing I don't get is stressed. It's not that I don't care. Just read the first paragraph of the serinity prayer:
QuoteGod, give me grace to accept with serenity
the things that cannot be changed,
Courage to change the things
which should be changed,
and the Wisdom to distinguish
the one from the other.
So I do only what I can. At the end of the day I forget about it all and go home. A lot of things can kill me but one of them isn't going to be stress.
I don't really get stressed out either...I keep telling Fbomb & Corn you can only do what you can do. It's just being around frenetic management/ownership that gets mentally exhausting, the constant pushing as they expect impossible miracles to come out of one person. So I'm just not going anymore.
Yup, that's where I am at now. I'm punished for doing my job well. Everyone here can basically make their own hours. The boss has a bad habit of dicking around all day then wanting to talk about shit after 5. I do have a "life" outside of here. Well kinda. I can't help but shudder when the phone rings or I get a text. It usually means I have to remote in and do some shit. On average that takes at least 3 hours. Add up the 9 hours at the shop, a hour commute each way then another 3 to do a rush job is a 14 hour day. Since it doesn't happen all in a row, the boss does not consider that a 14 hr day.
I have not had a vacation since working here. I have been away but not once was I not bothered. Even when the partner was here and he was a "prepress specialist" he could never get a job out. I always had to remote in and do it. This week running the whole place and probably fucking up has nearly killed me. I stressed all weekend and it ruined my weekend. My stomach is fucked up from stress and my joints are killing me.
Main problem is I don't know if I have any viable skills. My body is falling apart so labor is out. I can cook but that's a young man's game. I'm pretty well fucked.
Quote from: gnubler on September 23, 2013, 09:54:54 AMI don't really get stressed out either...I keep telling Fbomb & Corn you can only do what you can do. It's just being around frenetic management/ownership that gets mentally exhausting, the constant pushing as they expect impossible miracles to come out of one person. So I'm just not going anymore.
I am a passionate guy, so I get very involved in what I'm dealing with and on large projects I can disappear for hours at a time. People will be talking to me, and I get so overly focused I'm completely unaware and it requires a tap on the shoulder, which usually makes me jump. I have the radio on all day, but if you asked me what I was listening to, I couldn't tell you. I have a lot of pride, so while I basically hate what I do, it IS what I do, and I won't churn out crap when it can be done better; I accept it as a challenge.
I've always said if I had it all to do over again, I think I'd want to be a pharmacist. Seems fairly simple, I mean once you know all the chemistry involved. A good database would cross reference all your pills, so you shouldn't accidentally poison or kill anyone, and unless your shipment didn't come in, or you fucked up and gave someone the wrong pills, I can't imagine any stress or people yelling at you. Essentially, in the worst case scenarios you send them back to their doctor if they don't like your answers, so it's not on you. Most of your customers would be older, so they'd be docile and have manners (most of them). Not a lot of overtime (if any) and you have set hours. I think a lot of people would be happy to see you on a daily basis! Seems ideal.
I've also considered being some kind of hospital tech... X-Rays or such. You'd work behind the scenes, so you really wouldn't interact with the public much... people show up; you take their picture... off they go.
And finally, I'd like to work in some capacity in a brewery or booze dispensary, if for nothing else, the employee discount.
I'm with Joe... don't get stressed out too much any more. After being beaten down for over 30 years, it's getting easier to let the crap go that doesn't affect me directly.
Do my job to the best of my ability, and go home.
beck
Quote from: DigiCorn on September 23, 2013, 10:19:33 AMQuote from: gnubler on September 23, 2013, 09:54:54 AMI don't really get stressed out either...I keep telling Fbomb & Corn you can only do what you can do. It's just being around frenetic management/ownership that gets mentally exhausting, the constant pushing as they expect impossible miracles to come out of one person. So I'm just not going anymore.
I am a passionate guy, so I get very involved in what I'm dealing with and on large projects I can disappear for hours at a time. People will be talking to me, and I get so overly focused I'm completely unaware and it requires a tap on the shoulder, which usually makes me jump. I have the radio on all day, but if you asked me what I was listening to, I couldn't tell you. I have a lot of pride, so while I basically hate what I do, it IS what I do, and I won't churn out crap when it can be done better; I accept it as a challenge.
I've always said if I had it all to do over again, I think I'd want to be a pharmacist. Seems fairly simple, I mean once you know all the chemistry involved. A good database would cross reference all your pills, so you shouldn't accidentally poison or kill anyone, and unless your shipment didn't come in, or you fucked up and gave someone the wrong pills, I can't imagine any stress or people yelling at you. Essentially, in the worst case scenarios you send them back to their doctor if they don't like your answers, so it's not on you. Most of your customers would be older, so they'd be docile and have manners (most of them). Not a lot of overtime (if any) and you have set hours. I think a lot of people would be happy to see you on a daily basis! Seems ideal.
I've also considered being some kind of hospital tech... X-Rays or such. You'd work behind the scenes, so you really wouldn't interact with the public much... people show up; you take their picture... off they go.
And finally, I'd like to work in some capacity in a brewery or booze dispensary, if for nothing else, the employee discount.
My wife works in Pharmacy. While it should be how you describe, remember, these people are on medication and act accordingly; i.e. irate when they can't get their pills in 15 minutes. I hear a horror story every day about a meth head or an old bastard screaming over the phone or counter. You ain't missing anything. Except the money for a Pharmacist is crazy good. They do also have to do continuing education as drugs and interactions change all the time.
Working at a brewery could be fun, it is a booming business up here and I never thought it would get so big, yet every year there are more and more tasty beers being introduced. I love beer.
I'm also thinking of getting into commercial beer brewing. In my region just in the past 3-4 years at least 10 new breweries have opened and all of them are doing well. Every brewpub I go to is packed, often to the point where I turn around and leave.
I've seen pharmacists take plenty of heat from irate customers about their insurance company not covering the meds the prescription is for. I mean it isn't the fault of the pharmacist but they are the only ones there at the time the customer gets irate. And I've seen people bitch at them because of the price. And because of how long they've been waiting and why their prescription wasn't there waiting for them. Any profession dealing with the public is going to see conflict. From the guy working the window at McDonalds to the top brain surgeon at a prestigious hospital. Because people suck in general.
Quote from: gnubler on September 23, 2013, 10:31:21 AMI'm also thinking of getting into commercial beer brewing. In my region just in the past 3-4 years at least 10 new breweries have opened and all of them are doing well. Every brewpub I go to is packed, often to the point where I turn around and leave.
It would be interesting how many little breweries fail compared to how many actually make it. I'll bet the numbers aren't in your favor. But they probably aren't in your favor in any new business. I read once just how many times Colonel Sanders failed before he came up with KFC. I don't remember how many times but it was quite a few.
Quote from: gnubler on September 23, 2013, 10:31:21 AMI'm also thinking of getting into commercial beer brewing. In my region just in the past 3-4 years at least 10 new breweries have opened and all of them are doing well. Every brewpub I go to is packed, often to the point where I turn around and leave.
Sounds like a great idea. A few years ago when my older brother was 53 he decided to go back to college and take a brewmaster course in the Niagara area. After graduation he was hired almost immediately at age 55. If I'm not mistaken the college hired him to help teach the course, which is booked out every semester. He also works at a microbrewery close to his home. Absolutely loves his craft, makes a pretty good brew and brings in some good coin too. You can find out more about the course he took here:
http://www.niagaracollege.ca/content/Programs/FulltimeStudies/WineryViticultureandBreweryStudiesCFWI/BrewmasterandBreweryOperationsManagement.aspx (http://www.niagaracollege.ca/content/Programs/FulltimeStudies/WineryViticultureandBreweryStudiesCFWI/BrewmasterandBreweryOperationsManagement.aspx)
He also has a bit of a nerdy blog here but it might give you some insight into the trade:
http://studentofbeer.wordpress.com/tag/niagara-college/ (http://studentofbeer.wordpress.com/tag/niagara-college/)
Hope it helps. Beer is truly a glorious thing. :drunk3:
"I'm a 125# female so I'm not going to pretend I can get a job at a construction site pushing wheelbarrows of bricks or running a jackhammer."
Whaaattt???
Quote from: Joe on September 23, 2013, 10:37:16 AMIt would be interesting how many little breweries fail compared to how many actually make it. I'll bet the numbers aren't in your favor. But they probably aren't in your favor in any new business. I read once just how many times Colonel Sanders failed before he came up with KFC. I don't remember how many times but it was quite a few.
It's something to research, for sure. I know of one brewpub in my region that folded during the past 3 years, not sure why because it was busy every time I went. There's at least 6 new brewpubs that opened in the past 3 years. One of them (my favorite) is already looking for a new location because they can't meet demand and another just expanded into a neighboring suite (which was a Subway sandwich shop of all things) because they outgrew operations within 6 months. A lot of the brewpubs here have built pseudo-patios which is just a fenced off area spilling into the parking lot because it gets too crowded inside.
I've been homebrewing for about 7 years so I have at least a little knowledge to bring to the table (literally).
Beer is a glorious thing.
Quote from: andyfest on September 23, 2013, 10:56:32 AM"I'm a 125# female so I'm not going to pretend I can get a job at a construction site pushing wheelbarrows of bricks or running a jackhammer."
Whaaattt???
More like 126# now after downing two delicious bombers of beer over the weekend. :embarrassed:
been wanting to reply all morning, but work got in the way. :laugh:
My first thought was mortician/cremator as well. With the baby boomers already kicking the bucket, there will be plenty of business. Or you could just work at a funeral home.
I've thought about it before.
2nd thought, work for the 1%. I see it around here. You become some rich person's whatever and you're set. There's a friend of a friend here who works on generators. He has three clients that's it, all he needs.
3rd thought, get out of America.
4th thought, live a sustainable life where work is life. instead of slaving away being treated like shit. You know, like living on island in the Pacific, with some tribe, catching/cleaning fish, making flour out of taro root or yucca root, making things out of coconuts, like booze. Recycle all food to the ocean where sharks are your disposal. Help raise the children. That kind of stuff.
5th thought....make sure your passport is valid and never give up.
:banana:
#4 sounds good. My passport expired this year and I haven't bothered to renew because I refuse to fly on US airlines. Only way out is to walk through the border a bit south of me and just never come back.
Sabrina is on to something there with number 4.
I recently went to Fiji (the second island) The life there was great and the beer there was terrible.
The guy that owned the resort we stayed at brewed beer because it was the cheapest way to get good beer. i asked why no one had opened a brew pub, he said it had been done and was a great success but the owner moved back to Australia and the place deteriorated in his absence. Life is pretty slow and easy on the island and food is plentiful so the locals are pretty lazy. My wife and I really thought hard about moving there. the exchange rate is like 1$ us = $2 fiji
Thanks for the report Grimace!!
hummmmmm....
gnub, just go ahead and do it. That way Mexico isn't your only choice for GTFO.
The bindery guy at my last job was from Fiji. His whole extended family moved here because they hated it. They've had something like 3 coup d'etats in the last couple of years. There are two major islands; one is Muslim, the other is Hindi. I think we all know how they feel about each other; it's quite a conundrum.
Quote from: DigiCorn on September 23, 2013, 01:10:29 PMThe bindery guy at my last job was from Fiji. His whole extended family moved here because they hated it. They've had something like 3 coup d'etats in the last couple of years. There are two major islands; one is Muslim, the other is Hindi. I think we all know how they feel about each other; it's quite a conundrum.
Yeah, I know. Sounds scarier than it is. The Island we were on was probably the Muslim island, however that does not really apply the the native populations as most of them are catholic as far as I could tell. Your coworker had to work to live there, a fairly decent 401K could last me 20 years no problem. He should have started a brewery! But he probably didn't drink if he was all religious and shit.
Quote from: Grimace on September 23, 2013, 01:28:36 PMQuote from: DigiCorn on September 23, 2013, 01:10:29 PMThe bindery guy at my last job was from Fiji. His whole extended family moved here because they hated it. They've had something like 3 coup d'etats in the last couple of years. There are two major islands; one is Muslim, the other is Hindi. I think we all know how they feel about each other; it's quite a conundrum.
Yeah, I know. Sounds scarier than it is. The Island we were on was probably the Muslim island, however that does not really apply the the native populations as most of them are catholic as far as I could tell. Your coworker had to work to live there, a fairly decent 401K could last me 20 years no problem. He should have started a brewery! But he probably didn't drink if he was all religious and shit.
He was Hindi, and a vegetarian, but I think he drinks beer. [edit] Not your typical bindery guy. He and the CSR and lead pressman bought the company from the previous owners after I left. His brother used to work bindery too at the same defunct place I worked at, the job before.
Quote from: DigiCorn on September 23, 2013, 01:10:29 PMThe bindery guy at my last job was from Fiji. His whole extended family moved here because they hated it. They've had something like 3 coup d'etats in the last couple of years. There are two major islands; one is Muslim, the other is Hindi. I think we all know how they feel about each other; it's quite a conundrum.
People who are not from SC think it's the best state ever, too. It's a shit hole. :laugh:
hey Gnub, can I go too??
Come on over, it's a fucking party here.
Huh, there was a pretty bad ass brewpub on the less touristy side of town that closed about 7-8 years ago & never had another occupant even though it's had a realtor's sign on it all this time. Just did a search on the old pub name - a neighboring restaurant bought it for $4.1 million and now it's set to be demolished this October. :cry:
See what I mean about having money to make money? :shoots_self:
Quote from: Sabrina The Turd Polisher on September 23, 2013, 03:08:44 PMQuote from: DigiCorn on September 23, 2013, 01:10:29 PMThe bindery guy at my last job was from Fiji. His whole extended family moved here because they hated it. They've had something like 3 coup d'etats in the last couple of years. There are two major islands; one is Muslim, the other is Hindi. I think we all know how they feel about each other; it's quite a conundrum.
People who are not from SC think it's the best state ever, too. It's a shit hole. :laugh:
Closest I got was NC and while nice to visit, not a place I'd like to live.
Quote from: Slappy on September 23, 2013, 08:55:47 PMHuh, there was a pretty bad ass brewpub on the less touristy side of town that closed about 7-8 years ago & never had another occupant even though it's had a realtor's sign on it all this time. Just did a search on the old pub name - a neighboring restaurant bought it for $4.1 million and now it's set to be demolished this October. :cry:
See what I mean about having money to make money? :shoots_self:
There was a fantastic one in Ramapo a long time ago, like late 90's that was always packed but ended up closing for some reason. They were way ahead of the times though. Only me and my dumbass friends wold take the hour trip to go there.
If you're staying in the USA, I'd be looking for the cheapest places (cities) to live ... it's a start.
My friend the Australian comedian (notorious booze-hound) swears that Pittsburgh is like a drunkard's Disneyland, as we get hammered drunk and he laughs while he pays the tabs for $2 Yuenglings n Jagermeister nights!
Cost of living here is so damn CHEAP, all you need is a local to show you the basics of cheap eating/drinking/transportation! :wink:
We don't get Yuengling here, not that I would drink that swill anyway... :hello:
It's not expensive in New Mexico, that's why I live here. It's been described as a third world country residing within a first world country. :laugh: I'm renting a tiny house that includes everything for $550/mo. I used to rent a semi-dumpy house down south and the rent was $450/mo for a 3br house with fenced yard.
Shut your mouth, Yuengling is not swill.
Borderline.
start at entry level doing what you love, can't go wrong
Quote from: Tracy on September 24, 2013, 02:42:16 PMstart at entry level doing what you love, can't go wrong
They have entry level jobs drinking high-end beers? :laugh:
Yes, except you pay them...until the money runs out.
Quote from: Joe on September 24, 2013, 02:55:52 PMQuote from: Tracy on September 24, 2013, 02:42:16 PMstart at entry level doing what you love, can't go wrong
They have entry level jobs drinking high-end beers? :laugh:
Maybe at a micro-brewery.
Maybe I can schmooze my way in at this one opening up around the corner.
liquor store. High upfront capital, but cash cow after that.
I just updated my resume. It's down to only 6 jobs now.
Quote from: gnubler on September 24, 2013, 04:12:38 PMI just updated my resume. It's down to only 6 jobs now.
gimme! I will offer you a job :p pupdog2@gmail.com
Quote from: born2print on September 24, 2013, 04:06:05 PMliquor store. High upfront capital, CCTV, other anti-theft/holdup measures, but cash cow after that.
... just thought I'd add those in. Why is it that Liquor stores seem to be prone to robbery? Late night hours + expensive/drinkable stock, I guess. :undecided:
Quote from: Skryber on September 24, 2013, 01:48:43 PMBorderline.
I will give you that.
At least it's not bud. I've given up on Goose Island now that AB bought them.
Hey all,
Well, I got partially out. I accepted a job offer today that involves graphics & prepress but is not within any type of printing company whatsoever. The nature of the business is pretty secure, so I'm happy about that. My days of Pooplisher & low-res JPGs are over! I hope Joe will still let me in the forum even if I'm not prepress anymore. I see no reason why I still can't complain about printing forever, plus I'll be open to beer swaps again soon!
The job is only p/t so I'll only be checking in here when I'm NOT at work. :laugh:
Quote from: gnubler on October 15, 2013, 09:10:08 PMHey all,
Well, I got partially out. I accepted a job offer today that involves graphics & prepress but is not within any type of printing company whatsoever. The nature of the business is pretty secure, so I'm happy about that. My days of Pooplisher & low-res JPGs are over! I hope Joe will still let me in the forum even if I'm not prepress anymore. I see no reason why I still can't complain about printing forever, plus I'll be open to beer swaps again soon!
The job is only p/t so I'll only be checking in here when I'm NOT at work. :laugh:
Are you drunk? :laugh:
I wish. Let's just say I'm doing prepressy things without having to set foot in another filthy printshop. Let Vistaprint have all the fun. :death:
So am I banned or not??? I am NOT in sales, so don't even go there.
You are still able to post I see so I guess the answer would be no?
It has been a long time since I have banned anyone.
And it was a glorious time, wasn't it? :laugh:
gawd I miss DCS
Quote from: Joe on October 15, 2013, 11:03:23 PMIt has been a long time since I have banned anyone.
Lord knows I've tried
gnub is obviously a desinger... from the hints that were dropped...
Joe, you may want to reconsider the "banning" thingie
OOOH you dropped the "D" word
:banned:
Quote from: david on October 16, 2013, 08:31:04 AMgnub is obviously a desinger... from the hints that were dropped...
she started it...
dad, he's pickin' on me!!!
all of you, shut up or I'm turning this car around
Congrats, Gnub. I'll start a next pkg soon after Corn's. Any requests?
Stairway to Heaven
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD1KqbDdmuE# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD1KqbDdmuE#)
Gnub is a Ninja Warlord, therefore unbannable. At least I hope so.
Besides, Gnub is unqualified to be a designer – she knows how to make stuff that's actually usable.
Nobody bans gnub, gnub does the banning.
oh!
Also, nobody puts gnub in a corner.
Or else be prepared for the fury of the squirrel, like on that Sears commercial where the dope has some squirrels trained to do some piddly job until they rebel and fly at his face.
I'm glad Gnub's back working. I saw her last week. Hit rock bottom.
:lmao:
Quote from: Skryber on October 16, 2013, 09:59:41 AMAny requests?
Yeah, a swift shotgun blast to the chest would be nice. I got depressed again for some weird reason.
Quote from: gnubler on October 16, 2013, 08:32:14 PMQuote from: Skryber on October 16, 2013, 09:59:41 AMAny requests?
Yeah, a swift shotgun blast to the chest would be nice. I got depressed again for some weird reason.
i would be glad too! but that involves for me, pound you in the ass prison and I am way to pretty to go there. I offered you a job tho!!! wait, I am leaving soon you for sure don't wanna come here...
well hell I am no help at all, sorry :(
may you die happy!!!!
What to do to get out of prepress... Been wondering about that myself. I have a horticultural thing going on the side but that world really doesn't pay well so its a tough sell to quit for a job that pays half the money.
One of my former coworkers got in as a Forensic Video Analyst working for the cops. She digitizes all sorts of surveillance video. Apparently they look more for people that will come across as "trustworthy" in court than technical geniuses.
One guy I used to work with deals cards for a casino, crappy hours at first and not the best pay but it's a growth industry!
Couple of people are freelancers, seems like the big thing there is to get a couple of big consistent clients. The one guy gets all sorts of stuff through us (we layed him off) and has a couple of Hospital/Health Authority connections. The hospital form thing is boring as crap but it is regular work.
A buddy of mine started his own business printing novelty bumper stickers, fridge magnets, buttons etc. He bought a diecutting plotter and a button making machine. He does well but works waaaay harder than most everyone I know.
My wife does Construction Safety and teaches the Construction Safety Officer course at the local college. 2 weeks course gets you a job that starts at 25$ an hour.
Couple of former coworkers got on with our Manufacturers/Suppliers, one in sales the other on the tech side.
Another guy I used to work with did his 6 month HVAC apprenticeship part time at night and then quit when he got a job. Now he makes 10$ an hour more than anyone else here and this place pays pretty good wages.
Some ideas from my experience, hope that helps.
Thanks Rabid. A lot of what you mentioned is oddly coincidental.
I found p/t work doing graphics & web shit, enough to pay the bills, but I already think I hate it so now is the time to take classes for a skilled trade if that's what I decide to do.
Quote from: gnubler on October 22, 2013, 08:23:42 PMThanks Rabid. A lot of what you mentioned is oddly coincidental.
I found p/t work doing graphics & web shit, enough to pay the bills, but I already think I hate it so now is the time to take classes for a skilled trade if that's what I decide to do.
One word: PLUMBER
Great money and everyone needs plumbing.
I've thought about it, but entry level work means one thing: clearing out shit-clogged pipes and who knows what else people throw into toilets.
I'm leaning more toward small engine repair, locksmithing, or leather work.
I am thinking of something medical... it would take classes and all but I am a nerd, I only wish I could be handy without a computer :shoots_self:
Quote from: gnubler on October 22, 2013, 08:28:56 PMI've thought about it, but entry level work means one thing: clearing out shit-clogged pipes and who knows what else people throw into toilets.
I'm leaning more toward small engine repair, locksmithing, or leather work.
Let me tell ya brother...there is more shit in prepress than someones clogged toilet! :laugh:
I hear ya. To be honest, I'd rather fix a shitty toilet than a shitty Publisher file.
Has anyone here ever seen or met a female plumber? And did she "fix" your "pipes"? :laugh:
A few years ago a plumber I had called showed up with a female plumbers helper. Not sure if she ever progressed to a full blown plumber but she crawled under the house without hesitation. My pipes were fixed when they left is all I can tell you.
Small engine repair isn't bad but don't become a car mechanic, trust me. Everyone thinks you're a thief, they will fight to the last dime and try and blame you for things unrelated to the work you did. They also will never listen to your instructions and come back after they didn't and blame you. That's why we no longer build motors for people. That little lesson cost us $8k plus about a week of labor.
I have almost no interest in auto mechanics. That's why I usually pay someone to do it for me. Dare I say working on cars enrages me more than prepress?
I can totally understand. I like working on my own car but the last 5 times it's been in the shop the only tool I used was the bottle opener.
Quote from: gnubler on October 22, 2013, 09:30:19 PMI hear ya. To be honest, I'd rather fix a shitty toilet than a shitty Publisher file.
Odd you should mention that...
I got an excel spreadsheet last week that needed to be "re-celled" for vdp, and our canon 6000 wasn't yet "installed." We had a broken toilet here, and the boss had bought the new parts, but they had been sitting there so long, they were covered in dust. I could either rebuild the excel spreadsheet, go home early, or fix the toilet.
I fixed the toilet.
Is this one used by pressmen? I would have chosen to go home... :laugh:
Quote from: DigiCorn on October 23, 2013, 08:39:02 AMQuote from: gnubler on October 22, 2013, 09:30:19 PMI hear ya. To be honest, I'd rather fix a shitty toilet than a shitty Publisher file.
Odd you should mention that...
I got an excel spreadsheet last week that needed to be "re-celled" for vdp, and our canon 6000 wasn't yet "installed." We had a broken toilet here, and the boss had bought the new parts, but they had been sitting there so long, they were covered in dust. I could either rebuild the excel spreadsheet, go home early, or fix the toilet.
I fixed the toilet.
:laugh: :laugh:
I found 2 printing-related jobs in my local classifieds and just out of curiousity checked out both companies online. One of them uses PAPYRUS in their logo. WTF? I wonder how many graphics/prepress people have gone there looking for work, and upon seeing the logo on the building just turned around and left. :laugh:
Yeah, but you could be the one who straightens them out.
Walking into a prospective employer and saying their logo is shit probably won't make the best first impression.
But if you do I want video of it.
Personally, I couldn't have genuine pride in working for a printing company that purposely uses Papyrus in their logo. It almost seems comical. I'm tempted to email their prepress dept and ask them about it. :laugh:
And you'll get a response with comic sans.
Plan A: Got in on office Powerball pool
:fingers crossed:
Quote from: born2print on October 23, 2013, 03:18:42 PMPlan A: Got in on office Powerball pool
:fingers crossed:
I've been investing in beer, but I keep drinking the profits. :drunk3:
Quote from: born2print on October 23, 2013, 03:18:42 PMPlan A: Got in on office Powerball pool
:fingers crossed:
That is my main retirement plan right now. They keep selling my ticket to other people though.
Oh, Born! :whip:
Lottery tickets: voluntary taxation of the stupid. :cry:
Quote from: gnubler on October 23, 2013, 03:33:44 PMOh, Born! :whip:
Lottery tickets: voluntary taxation of the stupid. :cry:
You're such a sweetheart. :tongue:
I hear ya, usually do not play, but when it gets to triple digit millions and everyone at work is in a pool...
well, I just can't be the guy that is stuck dealing with a shop that lost half it's employees overnight.
Nawlmean?
You would need therapy if that happened :laugh:
I'm surprised business owners even allow such a thing to take place at work. You're right...within a few days the company would have zero employees. :laugh:
Quote from: gnubler on October 23, 2013, 04:39:57 PMI'm surprised business owners even allow such a thing to take place at work. You're right...within a few days the company would have zero employees. :laugh:
I think the odds are in favor of that not happening. :laugh:
we kinda keep it on the DL too
:ninja:
Quote from: born2print on October 23, 2013, 03:40:51 PMI hear ya, usually do not play, but when it gets to triple digit millions and everyone at work is in a pool...
well, I just can't be the guy that is stuck dealing with a shop that lost half it's employees overnight.
Nawlmean?
If my group won LotoMax or 649, there would be a vapour trail behind me as I went out the office door. I would probably phone in my resignation, or better yet send a text or an email. :kissass:
Really? I'd stick around - feet up on the desk, cocktail in one hand, doob in the other. It'd be freakin' GREAT!!
I would give 2 weeks or maybe a bit more. Even if I won millions. I would really-really try anyways :cheesy:
I would give 2 weeks.
Then proceed to do exactly dick for those 2 weeks.
If I was still at the old place, I'd buy it. I'd make people do all the shit they had me do until they quit due to it being impossible. Then turn it into a gay bar.
Quote from: t-pat on October 24, 2013, 07:34:49 PMIf I was still at the old place, I'd buy it. I'd make people do all the shit they had me do until they quit due to it being impossible. Then turn it into a gay bar.
Epic. (http://www.rathergood.com/gaybar)
Most recent PowerBall winner was from Fresno, and delooch stood me up last week, plus he hasn't been around as much... :homer:
locksmithing, woodworking (like cabinet & furniture making), welding, electrical work, tile work
Worked with a locksmith during the summer of 1972, summer job. American lock employee, I made 7 copies of every key the locksmith made for the Holiday Inn across from the Watergate Hotel in DC. It was this hotel that the robbers stayed while breaking into the Democratic headquarters in the WG, while we where making keys. James R.(&(*& was the man who changed the locks on the DNC HQ after the breakin. Just a little history. Yes, check locksmithing out. No keys but as joe said locks still exist but more hitech. No with the woodworking, furniture making thing. You'll spend days making a chair that you would never acquire the cash needed to cover your labor and overhead. Welding--boring. electrical is a pain in the ass. I know 2 master tile setters and there is plenty of hard labor involved. In my area mexicans have just about put those guys out of work.
Proper welding isn't boring in my eyes. Problem is nobody wants to pay for quality unless it's mandated.
So, doomed? I dig your attitude. Sounds like everything, everwhere sucks.
I have another interview today, details later. :cry:
Good luck.
I thought you were "working for beer?"
Don't we all?
Quote from: gnubler on October 31, 2013, 10:13:30 AMSo, doomed? I dig your attitude. Sounds like everything, everwhere sucks.
I have another interview today, details later. :cry:
Its like an art to some. Many have a deep passion for it. Me, my eyes would glaze over. :zounds:
Were you describing prepress? I thought so.
I got an offer for a f/t job. Prepress & design. Company is tight, owner said they stay pretty busy, shop is all digital and is the cleanest shop I've ever seen in my life.
Yay or nay? If I accept I'll personally fund this entire site to keep it online.
Yay on taking the job. It's good for the beer industry.
This site is staying no matter what. And I'll probably try to stick with lousy-assed Hostgator since I still have close to two years left on my contract. Unless they ban me which is entirely possible. :laugh:
Yeah, I was going to add it'll be a boost for my local brewers & boozers and the Beer Swaps will start up again. The business seems less rage-inducing than the usual run down chop shops where I've worked in the past. Really modern and "embracing technology". The owner has taken steps to get business in ways that limit the amount of time he actually has to talk to people. :laugh: I think we'll get along well.
So distracted by the shiny things. Remember even with the hottest girl someone, somewhere is sick of her shit.
You'll find a reason to hate it but hopefully it will be less hate than the previous places.
Quote from: Farabomb on November 01, 2013, 07:08:04 AMSo distracted by the shiny things. Remember even with the hottest girl someone, somewhere is sick of her shit.
You'll find a reason to hate it but hopefully it will be less hate than the previous places.
That's my line
That line is so old Jesus used it at the last supper.
...so... about the ame age as the crust in your underwear?
remember - yellow in front, brown goes in back
except on every other day...
I have been trying to get out of the print industry for years....
i'm still here, it's like a force that won't let go.
Fortunately the positions get a little better every time I try and break away.
Quote from: andres croix on November 01, 2013, 09:27:33 AMI have been trying to get out of the print industry for years....
i'm still here, it's like a force that won't let go.
Fortunately the positions get a little better every time I try and break away.
Printing is like
the Godfather.
QuoteJust when I thought I was out... they pull me back in.
:goodpost:
All too true.
Congrats. Clean shop is a good sign. Saw someone vacuuming dust out of the inside of an inserter here on my way to the lunch room. This shop is scary clean, the bathrooms are cleaned seemingly constantly.
Quote from: gnubler on October 31, 2013, 05:11:00 PMWere you describing prepress? I thought so.
I got an offer for a f/t job. Prepress & design. Company is tight, owner said they stay pretty busy, shop is all digital and is the cleanest shop I've ever seen in my life.
Yay or nay? If I accept I'll personally fund this entire site to keep it online.
Quote from: andres croix on November 01, 2013, 09:27:33 AMFortunately the positions get a little better every time I try and break away.
Really, they seem to get worse with each new job which is why I was about to call it quits after the last gig.
I wasn't even looking, but got a call from a shop I interviewed with last year and thought "what the hell". I think I'm giving it one more shot and if it doesn't work out I'm getting out for good.
Quote from: gnubler on November 01, 2013, 01:53:42 PMQuote from: andres croix on November 01, 2013, 09:27:33 AMFortunately the positions get a little better every time I try and break away.
Really, they seem to get worse with each new job which is why I was about to call it quits after the last gig.
I wasn't even looking, but got a call from a shop I interviewed with last year and thought "what the hell". I think I'm giving it one more shot and if it doesn't work out I'm getting out for good.
Don't get me wrong, I have my personal trainers cert ready just in case someone here pisses me off enough to not take back what I might say.
But we work in a specialized field that doesn't allow us to stray very far. I guess some sick part of all of us like to play puppet master or solve puzzles.
Had one of those a while ago. Applied for this job over a year ago, interviewed and never heard from them. Over a year later they call me, tell me they lost the money for the position, and now have it back. Great, so we sit down and talk, I tell them what I want. They come back two weeks later with an offer 2$ an hour less than I make with two weeks holidays. I have 4 now. Tried to negotiate but no wiggle room, wtf? this is production art for a fairly large drug company, not some mom and pop shop. I said thanks but no thanks, I don't entirely hate where I am so why would I move?
Sounds like a good move Rabid... er, I mean a good not-move.
Quote from: jimking on October 31, 2013, 10:09:56 AMlocksmithing, woodworking (like cabinet & furniture making), welding, electrical work, tile work
Worked with a locksmith during the summer of 1972, summer job. American lock employee, I made 7 copies of every key the locksmith made for the Holiday Inn across from the Watergate Hotel in DC. It was this hotel that the robbers stayed while breaking into the Democratic headquarters in the WG, while we where making keys. James R.(&(*& was the man who changed the locks on the DNC HQ after the breakin. Just a little history. Yes, check locksmithing out. No keys but as joe said locks still exist but more hitech. No with the woodworking, furniture making thing. You'll spend days making a chair that you would never acquire the cash needed to cover your labor and overhead. Welding--boring. electrical is a pain in the ass. I know 2 master tile setters and there is plenty of hard labor involved. In my area mexicans have just about put those guys out of work.
The future has arrived. Here is a new lock on the market. The key is your smart phone. Gnubler will never get in!
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-9788_7-57610253/can-you-really-crack-the-kwikset-kevo/?tag=nl.e404&s_cid=e404&ttag=e404&ftag=CAD1acfa04 (http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-9788_7-57610253/can-you-really-crack-the-kwikset-kevo/?tag=nl.e404&s_cid=e404&ttag=e404&ftag=CAD1acfa04)
:lmao:
Yup, saw it on the Shark Tank a while back & have been following it's release ever since. Kinda cool, but it's a deadbolt only so I'd still need a physical key for my door handle lock. Way overpriced, plus they want to charge you for "extra" keys you can assign to people you only want to have temporary access like house sitters, contractors, your German dominatrix.
Quote from: Slappy on November 04, 2013, 02:32:17 PMYup, saw it on the Shark Tank a while back & have been following it's release ever since. Kinda cool, but it's a deadbolt only so I'd still need a physical key for my door handle lock. Way overpriced, plus they want to charge you for "extra" keys you can assign to people you only want to have temporary access like house sitters, contractors, your German dominatrix.
Stop locking the other one. :tongue:
Shhhhhhh...that is supposed to be confidential. :laugh:
Indeed it is way overpriced. Most new things are though.
And the deadbolt was opened by a amateur that watched the video a few times as well as a pro with no visible damage to the lock.
Pretty shitty, very well rated in testing, lock.
Very few locks will keep a determined criminal out.
Cordless sawzall.
Pry bar.
Big screwdriver.
B.F.H.
I'm well aware of that. You just want to keep the honest thieves out.
Same dilemma, different year.
I picked up a p/t job a few weeks ago doing in-house design for print & web. It's well organized, the people are really nice, and the business is secure (they will always have a steady customer base as long as humans continue to die, which seems secure to me). My salary is fair and I can make a living working just 3 days a week, I'll just have less beer money.
Out of the blue last week I was contacted by a digital shop and offered a f/t prepress position. This is the same shop that offered me the same job last year and I turned it down because I just wasn't after f/t work. The shop is clean, modern, and busy. They get a lot of work from online orders which means a lot less interaction with customers, but is basically pushing PDFs through the chain all day. The hourly pay is exactly the same as my current p/t job, just more hours. A lot more. As far as prepress goes it's a dream job, but I'm considering turning it down for the second (and final) time.
What would you do in my position? Most of you know my deal...single, no dependants, no debts. Would you take the f/t job simply for more $ and hate every day of your life for doing it? Or keep the p/t job that you're pretty happy with?
Some recession...jobs keep getting thrown at me every time I start looking. #firstworldproblem
Well basically it is whatever floats your boat. For me I would want the full time gig with benefits preferably. But that is just me. If you are happy with part time and can live then make yourself happy.
Why would you want full time? Just more money?
The f/t job offer has no benefits other than the standard one week of vaca. What are you referring to? Health care?
It's easy to say since I'm not in your position, but I'd probably stay with the p/t gig if it's more rewarding and making you happy for now. It sounds like the other position, while more money (and benefits, I guess) will just be mind-numbing drudgery and probably lead to burn out within a year. Why bother? As a short term solution to make some bank maybe, but even then if it's not something you see yourself sticking with, why waste your time & theirs?
Quote from: gnubler on November 07, 2013, 10:10:50 PMWhy would you want full time? Just more money?
The f/t job offer has no benefits other than the standard one week of vaca. What are you referring to? Health care?
Yes to both. I like nice things and my toys...hence the need for money to pay for them. And healthcare is nice if you need it. Plus where I am it the company contributes to my 401K which hopefully will allow to retire before I drop dead.
But what Slappy said makes sense, re: if it's not something you see yourself sticking with, why waste your time & theirs?
Unless they give you the bennies (401, health, etc), I would stick with the p/t gig. I would like a little free time do "play", but it's not in the cards for me. I will not be able to retire, so they'll find me stiff and cold in my chair with my fingers on the keyboard one day.
I'm planning on a swift shot to the head, out in the desert. Why let prepress get the satisfaction of seeing you die? :laugh:
Quote from: gnubler on November 08, 2013, 09:43:55 AMI'm planning on a swift shot to the head, out in the desert. Why let prepress get the satisfaction of seeing you die? :laugh:
But there is the satisfaction of making the place shut down for the day so they can clean up the mess.
Quote from: david on November 08, 2013, 08:32:47 AMUnless they give you the bennies (401, health, etc), I would stick with the p/t gig. I would like a little free time do "play", but it's not in the cards for me. I will not be able to retire, so they'll find me stiff and cold in my chair with my fingers on the keyboard one day.
With any hope you'll be found cold and stiff with your hands wrapped around a salesperson's neck.
It would be different at DCS's shop...he'd take out the entire sales crew and the conference room walls would be dripping red.
I am a prepress martyr
Quote from: gnubler on September 21, 2013, 02:56:28 PMAs most of you know, I've been working for a small shop where conditions were so poor the entire staff walked out three weeks ago. This is a union shop and we (the employees) are currently in talks with the union to try to work out an agreement but the business owner has so far refused numerous requests for a meeting and has locked us out of the building. While the other employees want to fight their way back into their jobs, I really think my days in printing are over. I started updating my resume and even had an interview last week with a screen printer. I was given a 1 hour skill test – guess what it was? Make a vector out of a shitty JPG. I sat there squirming for an hour, thinking "Why the FUCK do I want to do this again?". There's an ad on my craigslist for a graphic designer and the background check includes "SSN/SIN validation, education verification, employment verification, criminal check, search against global sanctions and government watch lists, fingerprint verification, credit check, and/or drug test" WTF? Go through all that shit so I can sit in front of a computer all day fooling around with crappy JPGs and designing things that go straight into the trash? The salaries are getting lower and lower to the point of no longer being valued as a skilled trade (which it is) and the level of stress & sheer boredom just isn't worth it. I've really put a lot of thought into this and I think I'm saying goodbye, prepress.
I'm still on the low side of 40 and I want to get into some other skilled trade, one that is more recession-proof and might allow me to one day be self-employed. Some things that interest me are locksmithing, woodworking (like cabinet & furniture making), welding, electrical work, tile work, or pretty much any trade that doesn't require heavy labor or lifting. I'm a 125# female so I'm not going to pretend I can get a job at a construction site pushing wheelbarrows of bricks or running a jackhammer. Most of you know I'm really into vegetable gardening, but I just don't see much profit in doing farm work and I probably won't learn anything I don't already know. Go work on someone's farm all day, then come home and tend to my own garden? Seems dumb.
Planning on responding to some classified ads, enlisting with staffing agencies for temp work, checking out the state workforce services, and even contacting companies that interest me offering myself as a minimum wage slave in return for training. Might look into classes at the vocational college.
What kind of work would you guys do if you just dumped prepress today? What types of trades do you feel are recession proof and will always be in need? Do you think I'll encounter obstacles due to my age or gender?
I think I've found something for you gnub...
Would You Pay to Cuddle a Stranger? (http://shine.yahoo.com/healthy-living/would-you-pay-to-cuddle-a-stranger--004132218.html)
I always thought that gnub was a closet cuddeler... :lmao:
Dumb. Jackass already offers free hugs (provided you can handle embracing a shit-smeared tshirt) :laugh:
Anyway, I'm going back to prepress. Can't stand being "happy" and "relaxed" everyday so I'll be back in the game next week.
We had some electricians in the building recently and they were some of the foulest men I have ever seen. I thought plumbers were bad... My point is there's no way an electrical business would hire me if it's beasts like this that are the norm that get the job. I saw some electric contractors at a tire shop a couple months ago and they were also fairly disgusting. I'd never fit in with "the team". :laugh:
Welcome back :hello:
Aw, gosh, ain't that a warm and fuzzy kick in the crotch?!
http://www.newser.com/story/177768/walmart-holds-food-drive-for-its-own-workers.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=united&utm_campaign=rss_top (http://www.newser.com/story/177768/walmart-holds-food-drive-for-its-own-workers.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=united&utm_campaign=rss_top)
Quote from: born2print on November 18, 2013, 04:35:35 PMAw, gosh, ain't that a warm and fuzzy kick in the crotch?!
http://www.newser.com/story/177768/walmart-holds-food-drive-for-its-own-workers.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=united&utm_campaign=rss_top (http://www.newser.com/story/177768/walmart-holds-food-drive-for-its-own-workers.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=united&utm_campaign=rss_top)
Quote"Please donate food items here so Associates in Need can enjoy Thanksgiving Dinner."
How can they ask other employees to help their co-workers when they all probably make about the same amount of pay?
Or how about Walmart pay a decent full time wage to its employees????!!!
Quote from: Joe on November 18, 2013, 05:54:46 PMQuote from: born2print on November 18, 2013, 04:35:35 PMAw, gosh, ain't that a warm and fuzzy kick in the crotch?!
http://www.newser.com/story/177768/walmart-holds-food-drive-for-its-own-workers.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=united&utm_campaign=rss_top (http://www.newser.com/story/177768/walmart-holds-food-drive-for-its-own-workers.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=united&utm_campaign=rss_top)
Quote"Please donate food items here so Associates in Need can enjoy Thanksgiving Dinner."
How can they ask other employees to help their co-workers when they all probably make about the same amount of pay?
Or how about Walmart pay a decent full time wage to its employees????!!!
Now there's a thought....
Like Robin Hood, but stealing from the poor to give to the poor? The Waltons can't pitch in...funds all tied up with buying $30 billion oil paintings and stuff.
I FOUND THE NEW CAREER! LOOK!
http://www.newser.com/story/177921/alcoholics-paid-in-beer-to-clean-city-streets.html (http://www.newser.com/story/177921/alcoholics-paid-in-beer-to-clean-city-streets.html)
I'm moving to Amsterdam...
I'm moving there for totally different reasons.
I hear they make great coffee...
Good, I'd need some.
Speaking of good coffee, I just discovered the awesomeness of Aldi. I like their brands better than the expensive ones. I've never been there because I have bad luck with generic brands but a friend swears it's good so I gave it a shot. I tried their $2 a bag coffee, some of the best I've had. No longer will I buy $8.99 bags of Dunkin Donuts.
I got a H-B K cup maker after using one at moms and I"m quite happy. I'm about to buy one for the shop. I can do K cups, pods and regular ground coffee for $49.
Isn't Aldi like the Harbor Freight of food stores? :hello: I vaguely remember it from when I lived in Ohio, I was poor, and boy did they have shitty quality food products.
The Aldi's here isn't bad for quality but it sucks when they have a line of people 74 deep and one lone checkout person.
Oh, so like Walmart? You get what you pay for...NOTHIN.
Don't knock Aldi! German company (it's Trader Joe's actually). They pay well. The quality of the food is actually quite high. Possibly the best price I've seen for frozen seafood (had some snow crab legs the other day, they were $5 a lb. Really good dairy products, snack foods and sundries.
German wine and beer for less than domestic. Like Trader Joe's with slightly different labels.
It's not the Aldi of old, and for sure nothing like Walmart.
Quote from: t-pat on November 21, 2013, 08:09:50 PMDon't knock Aldi! German company (it's Trader Joe's actually). They pay well. The quality of the food is actually quite high. Possibly the best price I've seen for frozen seafood (had some snow crab legs the other day, they were $5 a lb. Really good dairy products, snack foods and sundries.
German wine and beer for less than domestic. Like Trader Joe's with slightly different labels.
It's not the Aldi of old, and for sure nothing like Walmart.
Ditto. I like them other than the long wait in line.
Really, I was completely shocked and amazed after not shopping there for 15 years. It's very different.
You still bag your own crap. The cashiers don't have any patience for anyone not with their program of speed. You gotta put a quarter in the cart so you bring it back. Poor folks shop there. The food does not suck anymore though!
Quote from: t-pat on November 21, 2013, 08:17:15 PMReally, I was completely shocked and amazed after not shopping there for 15 years. It's very different.
You still bag your own crap. The cashiers don't have any patience for anyone not with their program of speed. You gotta put a quarter in the cart so you bring it back. Poor folks shop there. The food does not suck anymore though!
Yes, it is the same here and the cashiers are exactly as you say. And they are very fast. Unfortunately there is usually only one checking people out and even being as fast as they are they can't keep up with amount of customers. A lot of times the line snakes around several aisles. It sucks if you just need to run in and get one or two items. I'll usually go somewhere else and pay more in those cases. It's not worth standing in line for 30 minutes to pick up a jug of milk.
I love Aldi. Cuts my grocery bill in half at least. Long lines yes. Cashiers always nice. The food is great. I can't walk into a grocery store to get one thing. I may have that intention but never happens. At least the line moves fast. A few days ago a People of Walmart candidate tore a worker a new asshole because he took his break with a ton of people in line. He got up and went back to work. :laugh: She was frightening.
Quote from: Skryber on November 21, 2013, 10:23:44 PMI love Aldi. Cuts my grocery bill in half at least. Long lines yes. Cashiers always nice. The food is great. I can't walk into a grocery store to get one thing. I may have that intention but never happens. At least the line moves fast. A few days ago a People of Walmart candidate tore a worker a new asshole because he took his break with a ton of people in line. He got up and went back to work. :laugh: She was frightening.
lol... I dropped my daughter off at college and the first place she scoped out was NOT the bar scene but where the nearest Aldi was!!! So proud <sheds tear>
Listening to all this I've located my closest Aldi 20 miles away and will make a trek shortly. Seeing as the closest decent supermarket (my local A&P sucks) is 15 miles away another 5 isn't a horrible thing.
There are no Aldis out my way. Never heard of it before. Our big local chain (based in Sacramento) is Raley's (aka Bel Air and in the Bay Area, Nob Hill). In Modesto, but more popular in Fresno than here in Sac is Save Mart.
IMHO Save Mart sucks. Not good prices, and lower quality meat and while they pride themselves on their produce, I still have issue. Safeway around here is probably the best, but the Safeway a block away is ghetto, so I refuse to go anymore. Across the street, and nearer to me, is a Bel Air and that's where I do most of my shopping.
But what's up with this new trend where they advertise a sale price, and then you get to the store and you have to buy 10 to get the sale price? Fuck. I can't eat 10. 2 sure. 3, maybe. 4? Shit... I'm already fat. My wife pretty much NEVER eats leftovers, so buying in bulk is a waste unless I know I can put it away personally.
Quote from: DigiCorn on November 22, 2013, 09:50:30 AMThere are no Aldis out my way. Never heard of it before.
Yeah, same here, I guess they're not in CA
Quote from: born2print on November 22, 2013, 10:52:36 AMQuote from: DigiCorn on November 22, 2013, 09:50:30 AMThere are no Aldis out my way. Never heard of it before.
Yeah, same here, I guess they're not in CA
Weird. I think frailer has mentioned them in oz but they aren't in Cali?
I don't think so, store locator with "unlimited range" said zero stores :huh:
Quote from: born2print on November 22, 2013, 11:00:07 AMI don't think so, store locator with "unlimited range" said zero stores :huh:
Yeah. That's what I saw too.
Must be a California conspiracy.
We stopped at our local Aldi last week in the evening for something, and there were 2 ladies in the parking lot just screaming at each other like mad. Well, one lady was screaming at the other for honking her horn wile waiting for a parking sot or some stupid shit, but I thought it was going to escalate to needing a police presence. Aldi draws some rough & tumble folks, at least around here.
The job I'm working on now has a picture of an Aldi store.
Weird.
Quote from: Farabomb on November 22, 2013, 09:13:58 AMListening to all this I've located my closest Aldi 20 miles away and will make a trek shortly. Seeing as the closest decent supermarket (my local A&P sucks) is 15 miles away another 5 isn't a horrible thing.
Bring a quarter for a cart (you will get it back), your own bags (or you can buy them), and no credit cards. Debit or cash. Not sure about checks.
Please do not use a check in public. Seriously. :angry:
Quote from: born2print on November 22, 2013, 11:36:35 AMPlease do not use a check in public. Seriously. :angry:
That's a crime that should be punishable by death.
Maybe they aren't located west of the Mississippi. I only remember it from the 90s when I lived in Ohio, and it was shitty.
Quote from: gnubler on November 22, 2013, 11:39:46 AMMaybe they aren't located west of the Mississippi. I only remember it from the 90s when I lived in Ohio, and it was shitty.
Ohio? :laugh:
Yes. Ohio and Aldi. Nothing good comes from Ohio. (I came from Ohio)
You're both hi in the middle and round on both ends too! :kiss:
Not so much. Baby got back...on both sides. Flat. :laugh:
One of the Shoprite's here does the quarter thing. I'm now getting scared from some of the stories. I'm going to check a circular and see how they compare to pricechopper.
I don't have any CC, only a debit card. Somehow not having credit is bad yet it shows you live within your means. Guess that's not the american way anymore.
Quote from: Farabomb on November 22, 2013, 12:21:49 PMOne of the Shoprite's here does the quarter thing. I'm now getting scared from some of the stories. I'm going to check a circular and see how they compare to pricechopper.
I don't have any CC, only a debit card. Somehow not having credit is bad yet it shows you live within your means. Guess that's not the american way anymore.
You mean carrying revolving balances that add up to around 2 years take-home at 23% interest to consume mass quantities of cheap Chinese junk?
Yes. That is the Merkin way. :homer:
All right, I think Gnub's moonlighting with an ad agency. Now there's another TV commercial featuring attack squirrels. This one's from Direct TV, I think.
Squirrels are hot, unless there's beavers around.
Quote from: born2print on November 26, 2013, 01:36:53 PMSquirrels are hot, unless there's beavers around.
justin beaver?
sure. Anyone but Jerry Mathers :puke:
Quote from: Possum on November 26, 2013, 01:28:40 PMAll right, I think Gnub's moonlighting with an ad agency. Now there's another TV commercial featuring attack squirrels. This one's from Direct TV, I think.
Speaking of which, WTF is up with DirecTv ads lately... I saw two last night, and I couldn't tell what was going on, they were so muddled and unclear; I thought one was actually an ad for Comcast.
I get a kick out of the Verizon(?) ads featuring James Earl Jones and Malcolm McDowell speaking teenage Facebook-ese.
Quote from: Possum on November 26, 2013, 02:11:48 PMI get a kick out of the Verizon(?) ads featuring James Earl Jones and Malcolm McDowell speaking teenage Facebook-ese.
For sure! I don't FB but those are awesome. Especially when JEJ is silent and stone-faced at the last friend request, classic :laugh:
Quote from: DigiCorn on November 26, 2013, 02:07:16 PMQuote from: Possum on November 26, 2013, 01:28:40 PMAll right, I think Gnub's moonlighting with an ad agency. Now there's another TV commercial featuring attack squirrels. This one's from Direct TV, I think.
Speaking of which, WTF is up with DirecTv ads lately... I saw two last night, and I couldn't tell what was going on, they were so muddled and unclear; I thought one was actually an ad for Comcast.
How many beers deep were you?
Quote from: Farabomb on November 26, 2013, 02:56:26 PMQuote from: DigiCorn on November 26, 2013, 02:07:16 PMQuote from: Possum on November 26, 2013, 01:28:40 PMAll right, I think Gnub's moonlighting with an ad agency. Now there's another TV commercial featuring attack squirrels. This one's from Direct TV, I think.
Speaking of which, WTF is up with DirecTv ads lately... I saw two last night, and I couldn't tell what was going on, they were so muddled and unclear; I thought one was actually an ad for Comcast.
How many beers deep were you?
Always, "just two beers." At least that's what you tell the Cops.
You guys watch ads? On purpose? :yawn:
Some ads are better than half the crap on TV.
Soooo...then...don't watch it?
But it's fun to see all those guys tell the cops they've only had two beers.
That sucks hope things start looking up for you. I too almost changed fields; went to school for 3 years, graduated but am unsure if I want to pursue a career in the process industry. After 8 years in a pressroom then 11 in prepress, I'm not sure I want to leave this great under paid career behind. All jokes aside I do really like prepress work.
Quote from: kenchilla on December 05, 2013, 03:03:09 PMThat sucks hope things start looking up for you. I too almost changed fields; went to school for 3 years, graduated but am unsure if I want to pursue a career in the process industry. After 8 years in a pressroom then 11 in prepress, I'm not sure I want to leave this great under paid career behind. All jokes aside I do really like prepress work.
Welcome to the forum. And yeah, as much as we bitch about prepress we all evidently still like it. :laugh:
I just recently started giving a crap about learning prinergy and writing rules in it which has changed the way I look at my job. Helping automate my department and the next dept (our mini pressroom called emprint) has giving a lot more meaning to my job.
Thanks for the welcome
Quote from: kenchilla on December 05, 2013, 03:03:09 PMThat sucks hope things start looking up for you. I too almost changed fields; went to school for 3 years, graduated but am unsure if I want to pursue a career in the process industry. After 8 years in a pressroom then 11 in prepress, I'm not sure I want to leave this great under paid career behind. All jokes aside I do really like prepress work.
Welcome! Most of us are drinkers to keep the printing ambiance tolerable. Cheers!
I only had 2 beers! :angry:
I can't remember what search I did that brought me to these boards, but it was definitely related to this post. Seems like it's been a popular post. More days than not, I spend a good part of my workday plotting my escape from prepress.
Yea, I tried last year.
I failed.
I used to do prepress, but now I still do.
(Wellcome!)
Quote from: Farabomb on December 05, 2013, 03:48:50 PMYea, I tried last year.
I failed.
Actually you did escape...but were later recaptured. :laugh:
Quote from: born2print on December 05, 2013, 03:49:31 PMI used to do prepress, but now I still do.
(Wellcome!)
Why would anyone want to do anything else? With the great pay, benefits, pride from a job well done and the constant pats on the back it is going to be hard to find anything come close to matching it.
burp... :drunk3: :drunk3: yeah, pats on the back fer sure...
Quote from: Joe on December 05, 2013, 03:04:22 PMAnd yeah, as much as we bitch about prepress we all evidently still like it. :laugh:
We do?
I don't. I can't reveal details right now but I am OUT. I hope to never work in a printshop again.
Am I still allowed to post here?
Yes, unless you go into sales.
No problem. I hate talking to people too much to ever qualify for work like that.
Quote from: Joe on December 05, 2013, 03:50:05 PMQuote from: Farabomb on December 05, 2013, 03:48:50 PMYea, I tried last year.
I failed.
Actually you did escape...but were later recaptured. :laugh:
C'mon. You know the mantra. Once you get out, they pull you back in.
Quote from: gnubler on December 05, 2013, 04:33:05 PMQuote from: Joe on December 05, 2013, 03:04:22 PMAnd yeah, as much as we bitch about prepress we all evidently still like it. :laugh:
We do?
I don't. I can't reveal details right now but I am OUT. I hope to never work in a printshop again.
Am I still allowed to post here?
Only if you send me beer.
Quote from: gnubler on November 26, 2013, 09:37:28 PMSoooo...then...don't watch it?
Well, I don't, which was the purpose of the comment.
Quote from: gnubler on December 05, 2013, 04:33:05 PMQuote from: Joe on December 05, 2013, 03:04:22 PMAnd yeah, as much as we bitch about prepress we all evidently still like it. :laugh:
I don't. I can't reveal details right now but I am OUT. I hope to never work in a printshop again.
Wait, weren't you "out for good" a month or so ago? :huh:
Yes, but "something" came up and now it is gone.
I can't describe the elation I'm feeling being OUT.
I understand a lot of people feel that way when they come out. :balloon:
Ya, it was a decent tenure, but I'm really done.
Printing is doomed for our era.
Maybe you can score a job where your physical presence isn't 100% required? (http://www.doublerobotics.com/) :lmao:
That looks cool. This guy looks really happy in his car.
(http://www.doublerobotics.com/img/customers/max900/photo-064.jpg)
He doesn't have his seat belt on
The Gnub needs a smartphone, pronto. (http://hater-app.com/) :popcorn:
Why didn't I develop that app?
I was just looking at restaurants on Yelp today and asked my bf "is there a way to sort it by the WORST ratings?" Leave it to me to take the negative approach, but I wanted to see a list of the shittiest restaurants around town so I never go to them.
So, just an update on the topic of this thread (if that's allowed...)
I've been "out" since last September after walking off the job from what is possibly the worst printshop I have ever seen, let alone worked in. It was truly a year of torture and I only stayed because I thought I could help turn the business around. I learned that only works if the ownership wants it to.
I found a pretty decent p/t job within a month, doing graphic/web design for an environmental company. I really had no complaints whatsoever about the job, and then suddenly two printing-related jobs popped up that I decided to check out. Both offered me a f/t position and I decided to accept one of them because "my boyfriend told me to grab the opportunity" even though the pay was lame and no benefits whatsoever.
I lasted four days and quit, going back to the p/t job where they welcomed me back with a counter-offer and without a bunch of angry, drunk assholes running printing equipment. Everyone at my new job is nice, and none of them are drunk or angry, ever. It's a different world.
I heard some horror stories from the pressmen at the new job, nothing surprising, but just leaving me wondering why the fuck I got back in. On my first day they were both bitching about printing, about the good old days, and about the shop and how poorly managed it is. During my 4 days there I worked on exactly ONE job, that's how slow it was. One of the pressmen made a comment to the effect of "The only way out of printing is death." I decided to just quit instead.
You guys can tease me about being a "designer", I don't care. Be glad that the files I create that are sent off to various printers will not cause rage, and the prepress peeps who prep them will say "Wow, whoever set this file up knows what they're doing." (I've said that myself during the rare times I got a good file from a designer). I only work 3 days a week now and am paid enough to live on, so I'm planning to use my spare time to learn a new trade or start a small side business.
I can't describe how lifted I feel not having to go into a shitty printshop every day and I should have gotten out years ago. I still hate people and everything, but my overall daily rage is pretty much gone, fingernails are growing, I smoke way less, and I gained 5 pounds (for me, this is major).
F-bomb got out and came back and we can all see how that's going...he fucking hates it. I support anyone who's fed up with prepress to just do what you want to do, even if you earn less or have to make lifestyle changes it's 100% worth it.
I'll still check in here (until Joe bans me) but probably not as often and I won't have much to say about prepress at all. Good thing there's a beer thread, and may the swaps continue!
You do realize that the work you are doing is still pre-press? It's just that it isn't you sending it to the press. But you will be required to by a pair of glasses that are 3 times the size needed for your head and visit Starbucks daily.
Meet your new friends.
(http://travelsofadam.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/hipster2.jpg)
Quote1. hipster
Hipsters are a subculture of men and women typically in their 20's and 30's that value independent thinking, counter-culture, progressive politics, an appreciation of art and indie-rock, creativity, intelligence, and witty banter. The greatest concentrations of hipsters can be found living in the Williamsburg, Wicker Park, and Mission District neighborhoods of major cosmopolitan centers such as New York, Chicago, and San Francisco respectively. Although "hipsterism" is really a state of mind,it is also often intertwined with distinct fashion sensibilities. Hipsters reject the culturally-ignorant attitudes of mainstream consumers, and are often be seen wearing vintage and thrift store inspired fashions, tight-fitting jeans, old-school sneakers, and sometimes thick rimmed glasses. Both hipster men and women sport similar androgynous hair styles that include combinations of messy shag cuts and asymmetric side-swept bangs. Such styles are often associated with the work of creative stylists at urban salons, and are usually too "edgy" for the culturally-sheltered mainstream consumer. The "effortless cool" urban bohemian look of a hipster is exemplified in Urban Outfitters and American Apparel ads which cater towards the hipster demographic. Despite misconceptions based on their aesthetic tastes, hipsters tend to be well educated and often have liberal arts degrees, or degrees in maths and sciences, which also require certain creative analytical thinking abilities. Consequently many hipsters tend to have jobs in the music, art, and fashion industries. It is a myth that most hipsters are unemployed and live off of their parent's trust funds.
Hipsters shun mainstream societal conventions that apply to dating preferences and traditional "rules" of physical attraction. It is part of the hipster central dogma not to be influenced by mainsream advertising and media, which tends to only promote ethnocentric ideals of beauty. The concepts of androgyny and feminism have influenced hipster culture, where hipster men are often as thin as the women they date. The muscular and athletic all-American male ideal is not seen as attractive by confident and culturally-empowered hipster women who instead view them as symbols of male oppression, sexism, and misogyny. Likewise, culturally-vapid sorority-type girls with fake blond hair, overly tanned skin, and "Britney Spears tube-tops" are not seen as attractive by cultured hipster males who instead see them as symbols of female insecurity, low self-esteem, and lack of cultural intelligence and independent thinking. Hipsters are also very racially open-minded, and the greatest number of interracial couples in any urban environment are typically found within the hipster subculture.
Although hipsters are technically conformists within their own subculture, in comparison to the much larger mainstream mass, they are pioneers and leaders of the latest cultural trends and ideals. For example, the surge of jeans made to look old and worn (i.e. "distressed"), that have become prevalent at stores such as The Gap, American Eagle, Abercrombie and Fitch, and Hollister, were originally paraded by hipsters who shopped in thrift stores years before such clothing items were mass produced and sold to the mainstream consumer. The true irony here is that many of the detractors of hipster culture are in fact unknowingly following a path that hipsters have carved out years before them. This phenomena also applies to music as well, as many bands have become successful and known to mainstream audiences only because hipsters first found and listened to them as early-adopters of new culture. Once certain concepts of fashion and music have reached mainstream audiences, hipsters move on to something new and improved.
Because of the rise of various online photo-blog and social networking sites, insights into urban hipster culture is reaching sheltered suburban audiences at an exponential rate. Cultural "norms" have been deconstructed by hipster culture as a whole. Hipsterism is often dismissed as just an image thing by some, but the culture as a whole is effecting changes in society, leading to feelings of insecurity and resentment in people who are no longer a part of the cultural ruling class. For example, a lot of anti-hipster sentiment evidently comes from culturally-clueless suburban frat boy types who feel that the more sensitive, intelligent, and culturally aware hipster ideal threatens their insecure sense of masculinity. Anti-hipster sentiment often comes from people who simply can't keep up with social change and are envious of those who can.
A conversation outside a hipster bar in downtown NYC:
Frat Boy #1: Dude, are you having any luck picking up chicks in there?
Frat Boy #2: Man...I haven't experienced anything like this before. These chicks are totally rejecting me and going for all these hipster guys in tight pants and shaggy hair instead.
Frat Boy #1: Maybe we should head back up to that bar in Murry Hill where you hooked up with that drunk b*tch from Alpha Sigma Phi last week?
Frat Boy #2: Yeah...I don't think we have what it takes to compete with these guys in here. These hipster chicks won't even give us the time of the day!
:lmao:
Quote from: gnubler on January 05, 2014, 08:40:46 PMYou guys can tease me about being a "designer"
Um, I think someone just did. :laugh:
Quote from: Joe on January 05, 2014, 09:04:58 PMBut you will be required to by a pair of glasses that are 3 times the size needed for your head
or those little titanium matchbox ones. Preferably in hot pink. :undecided:
I won't deny that I still hate it but right now I don't have any other options. I'm SOOOOOO far out of the tech life that I have no idea what the current version of RAM is. Not that I can make money building computers like I used to. There is a "computer repair" store in town so that's out.
You are perfectly correct about turning a company around though. If you're the only one with that mindset it's like pissing up a rope. Totally useless endeavor and if you don't leave it will drive you nuts.
That's especially true if you actually care about the company and see its potential but nobody else there seems to.
Makes it even worse if it's family/friends.
There been a bit of financial talk 'round here...all of our paper orders are COD...rumors of bounced checks.
So far hourly payroll hasn't bounced...but he's had to hold back on commissions for the sales pukes.
soo....ummm...yeahhh...who knows what's next.
Quote from: Joe on January 05, 2014, 09:04:58 PMYou do realize that the work you are doing is still pre-press?
Meet your new friends.
Screw you!
It ain't prepress, I can tell you that. Very, very, very few f-bombs have been dropped and most of those have to do with web-related nonsense. I'm not running copiers all day, I don't deal with customer files whatsoever, don't have to deal w/ pressmen, sales slime, or bosses who sneak jobs in and cause mayhem, no CSRs, etc etc.
It's like all I do now is the "fun" part of printing, with zero stress or deadlines.
Quote from: Sabrina The Turd Polisher on January 06, 2014, 01:26:12 PMsoo....ummm...yeahhh...who knows what's next.
I can tell you. I've seen it happen in at least 2 shops now.
I'm still doing side work (website) at another ex-shop of mine and I get depressed every time I go there. It's bad.
That's never a good feeling when you walk into that every day. :cry:
The 4-day place was even worse...there were 3 other Mac workstations just sitting empty, gathering dust & cobwebs.
If they're any good, maybe you can pick one up cheap at the going-out-of-business auction.
Quote from: gnubler on January 06, 2014, 01:38:50 PMQuote from: Sabrina The Turd Polisher on January 06, 2014, 01:26:12 PMsoo....ummm...yeahhh...who knows what's next.
I can tell you. I've seen it happen in at least 2 shops now.
I'm still doing side work (website) at another ex-shop of mine and I get depressed every time I go there. It's bad.
Hey, I say "Good for you!" Fuck printing in its pasty white ass. Nobody in this business would ever go to bat for any of us, so why feel any allegiance or ownership to it ourselves? I think it's hilarious when I hear Managers talk about "The Team" and all of us "pulling together" bullshit. If they actually believe that & can sleep at night, then they're more deluded than I ever imagined.
Quote from: Sabrina The Turd Polisher on January 06, 2014, 01:26:12 PMThere been a bit of financial talk 'round here...all of our paper orders are COD...rumors of bounced checks.
So far hourly payroll hasn't bounced...but he's had to hold back on commissions for the sales pukes.
soo....ummm...yeahhh...who knows what's next.
oh man, we'll hope/pray for the best
Quote from: Slappy on January 06, 2014, 03:03:56 PMQuote from: gnubler on January 06, 2014, 01:38:50 PMQuote from: Sabrina The Turd Polisher on January 06, 2014, 01:26:12 PMsoo....ummm...yeahhh...who knows what's next.
I can tell you. I've seen it happen in at least 2 shops now.
I'm still doing side work (website) at another ex-shop of mine and I get depressed every time I go there. It's bad.
Hey, I say "Good for you!" Fuck printing in its pasty white ass. Nobody in this business would ever go to bat for any of us, so why feel any allegiance or ownership to it ourselves? I think it's hilarious when I hear Managers talk about "The Team" and all of us "pulling together" bullshit. If they actually believe that & can sleep at night, then they're more deluded than I ever imagined.
Those are just hollow words they learned in business school. While you do need a "team" to get work out the only ones that really understand this are the ones in the trenches getting it out.
So I haven't received a paycheck since I've been off work, but I had a few hours and the holidays plus a tiny bit of vacation time. I went in this morning to pick up my checks... and I only got paid for the hours; he didn't pay me for Christmas, our bonus days off, New Year's or my accrued vacation time. I have to have a phone call later, but if I'm not getting paid (I figure I have about $700 accrued owed me), then it may be adios job. I worked all year to earn those benefits and to no be paid for them really pisses me off.
Fuckit, let's all get together and start running a food truck.
I'm in!
diggy, in cali your vacation is part of your pay, If they don't give it you, you can take action
I will dig up the website if they don't give it to you.
I'm sure their not that dumb-sheesh
I'm in, too. I vote for burritos or noodle boxes.
I also received a year-end bonus, way more than I ever got working in some shitty printshop because my company is actually making profits.
Goodbye, prepress.
Burritos, soba, whatever. As long as you make it good and unique the hipsters will follow you like the pied piper.
Gnub, good for you. You deserve a job like this. (Don't we all?)
Yes, because no one in this forum sucks. I hope you all get out before it's too late!
Thank you. :group:
That's quite a compliment coming from someone that wishes the death of the human race. :laugh:
Prepress, standup comics, and Steve Buscemi are cool. All the rest can go die.
They will eventually, some just not fast enough.
Long story short, talked to the boss today about my pay. It's an "oversight." I'll be getting all my money next week.
I can only grill, so I can't be very beneficial to the roach coach idea.
Ya know, I bitch and grumble about prepress as much as anyone but at the end of the day there is nothing else I'd rather be doing job wise. Of course I'd like some of the people to be a little less stupid but it's probably that way in about any job.
If you are really miserable doing it though by all means get out and find something that makes you happier.
Quote from: DigiCorn on January 07, 2014, 05:08:43 PMLong story short, talked to the boss today about my pay. It's an "oversight." I'll be getting all my money next week.
Damned well better!!! :mrt:
Quote from: Joe on January 07, 2014, 05:13:18 PMbut at the end of the day there is nothing else I'd rather be doing job wise.
I find that hard to believe.
Well believe it!
Quote from: Joe on January 07, 2014, 05:13:18 PMYa know, I bitch and grumble about prepress as much as anyone but at the end of the day there is nothing else I'd rather be doing job wise. Of course I'd like some of the people to be a little less stupid but it's probably that way in about any job.
If you are really miserable doing it though by all means get out and find something that makes you happier.
Holy Crap! Joe and I agree on something.
beck
Honestly, I can believe it. I actually enjoy the work I do. What infuriates me is how prepress has always been the ginger stepson. Everyone shits on us yet has no clue what's involved in our jobs. They have no clue how difficult some files can be. They remember the one time you banged out a 1c 1s job in 5 minutes so they expect that a 120 pg 6c book with 2 varnishes should only only take you 15 minutes max.
I enjoy the challenge of the files, figuring out complex layouts, die work and such. Just keep my rack full with jobs and I'll give you 100%. Keep your end up by feeding me work. When we are slow let me catch up with maintaining all the things I had to use workarounds when we were busy.
Oh, digi you can work the counter, I'll run the grill with gnub. We'll move to Co. and open a rasta pasta one called Ginger Dead.
Quote from: beck on January 08, 2014, 09:02:18 AMQuote from: Joe on January 07, 2014, 05:13:18 PMYa know, I bitch and grumble about prepress as much as anyone but at the end of the day there is nothing else I'd rather be doing job wise. Of course I'd like some of the people to be a little less stupid but it's probably that way in about any job.
If you are really miserable doing it though by all means get out and find something that makes you happier.
Holy Crap! Joe and I agree on something.
beck
Yeah and Obama is doing a horrible job. It's like we are twins these days.
A LITTLE less stupid? You got that right. :lmao:
You can't fix it, is what I heard.
Quote from: Joe on January 08, 2014, 10:40:14 AMQuote from: beck on January 08, 2014, 09:02:18 AMQuote from: Joe on January 07, 2014, 05:13:18 PMYa know, I bitch and grumble about prepress as much as anyone but at the end of the day there is nothing else I'd rather be doing job wise. Of course I'd like some of the people to be a little less stupid but it's probably that way in about any job.
If you are really miserable doing it though by all means get out and find something that makes you happier.
Holy Crap! Joe and I agree on something.
beck
Yeah and Obama is doing a horrible job. It's like we are twins these days.
Wouldn't you rather be Park Ranger? :hemp:
Not really.
What about a Park Ranger who got to prep Publisher files every day?
I'd be ok with a park ranger but I believe in this state I'd have to go to college.
Forest fires, bear attacks, crazy people thinking they are the next Ted Kaczynski. No thanks.
Quote from: Joe on January 08, 2014, 02:04:48 PMForest fires, bear attacks, crazy people thinking they are the next Ted Kaczynski. No thanks.
So, if there is a fire? run like hell a bear? run like hell crazies....shoot em..... Easy as Pie. :homer:
Mmmmmmm, piiiiieeeee.
:lmao:
I didn't even finish the first page of this thread - but just wanted to say... I got out of prepress. It's doable. The problem is, that pretty much every job amounts to nothing more than shoveling shit.
:homer:
Coordinating and estimating print and direct mail jobs... yeaaaaaahuh, winner. :sarcasm: My skills are transferable to other industries too... :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
:hangme:
Gee, and here I thought you just came back to gloat.
Hell ninjaPB, I'm sure all can get out of prepress and work as a press helper, bindery, cold calling sales fool, print deliveries, estimating, and a secretary who only blows the owner. :banana:
Yeah! That's what I did!
Well, now I'm out of the printing business, at least for the time being.
My elderly mother has been bouncing back and forth for the past month between the hospital and nursing rehab. She came home for hospice care a couple of days ago, and I quit my job to take care of her. It'll be fun trying to get along just on her Social Security, but thank God the house is paid for and so is my car.
If you guys don't mind, I'll pop in here from time to time just to see how you all are.
Sorry to hear about your Mom. Good luck and you are welcome here anytime.
Sorry to hear. :cry:
Good luck.
Thanks a bunch, Farabomb.
Quote from: Possum on March 27, 2014, 12:07:51 PMWell, now I'm out of the printing business, at least for the time being.
My elderly mother has been bouncing back and forth for the past month between the hospital and nursing rehab. She came home for hospice care a couple of days ago, and I quit my job to take care of her. It'll be fun trying to get along just on her Social Security, but thank God the house is paid for and so is my car.
If you guys don't mind, I'll pop in here from time to time just to see how you all are.
Sorry to hear about your mom. And don't let the care taking take it's toll on ya...which means YES, you have to log on B4P! :banana: :grin:
I went through the hospice care with my Dad a few years back. It's not easy watching a close family member run out the clock. I'm not trying to be insensitive; I'm trying to empathize. Best of luck and we're here if you need to talk.
Good for you Possum. It takes a lot of courage and compassion to take on that responsibility. Drop in soon and let us know how you are making out.
That is definitely harder than prepess and give you props for taking care of your mom.
You better keep posting! :kiss:
Quote from: Possum on March 27, 2014, 12:07:51 PMWell, now I'm out of the printing business, at least for the time being.
My elderly mother has been bouncing back and forth for the past month between the hospital and nursing rehab. She came home for hospice care a couple of days ago, and I quit my job to take care of her. It'll be fun trying to get along just on her Social Security, but thank God the house is paid for and so is my car.
If you guys don't mind, I'll pop in here from time to time just to see how you all are.
Good luck with everything, Possum. Keep in touch. :kiss:
Good luck Possum, I hope your mother fairs well. I'm sure she also has medicare which is a huge help. I'm my wife's caretaker, although she is not in and out of hospitals. What you are doing is admirable.
Yeesh, sorry to hear that, great that you're stepping up to take care of her like that though.
QuoteIf you guys don't mind, I'll pop in here from time to time just to see how you all are.
Well, duh! I can cut to the chase on that - we'll all be miserable & bitchy but don't let
that stop ya! :wink:
Above sentiments echoed. We'll be thinking about you; make sure you poke your head in and update us. Or rant... even better.
It's really tough watching someone you love deteriorate. I was told in 7th grade that my father had months to live. He lived for 20+ years past the death sentence. It was to the point that I thought it was all BS and the doctor didn't know what he was talking about. No change, same old dad. Towards the end, after a few hospital scares when I had to sign off on procedures that he may not have approved of, is when it got real shitty. Those things I signed off on that gave him a few more years to spend with the grandkids prolonged his "life" and allowed him to be with us.
Watching him go from the bear of a man he was to what he was at the end was the worst. I block that out though because he spent far more of his time here as that bear.
Back in '01 my dad had a 4x bypass and during recovery was diagnosed with larynx cancer. Rather than give up speaking and go for the Stephen Hawking voice box, he opted for the radiation and chemo. He was given 6 months to live in '03, but made it until '07, and died on my Mom's birthday.
The worst part was being 200 miles away and not being able to visit enough, but what I hated was that I came to visit in his final days and he had fallen into a coma, but my Mom didn't tell me until I showed up. I would have like to have had some time to mentally prepare, instead of just showing up and having that shock. He was on hospice at that time, but seeing him at about 120 pounds when he had been about 200 previously was just awful. I stayed a few days, and went home, and he died the next day. My Mom had him cremated before I came back down, so I really didn't get that last closure of being able to see him one last time.
Hindsight being 20-20, I would have liked to have both my Mom and Dad stay at my home during the hospice stage, but I understand that he probably would have preferred the comfort of his own home... and I really couldn't take a leave of absence from work to stay down there.
It's just a terrible situation, and I think you're lucky, Possum, to have the option of being able to be there. If that's any comfort to you. It's better than regret.
Thanks more than I can say for all the good wishes. You guys feel like family to me.
As far as being miserable and bitchy, why, that's part of the fun of this place!
So sorry to hear some of you have gone through this same thing. I've half a mind to move back home to Chicago when I retire. I'd rather get shot in the street then have some long, drawn out existence in some cheap nursing home.
Bless you Possum.
See you around :thumbsup:
Interviewing has started for my position.
Looks like my last day will be May 23rd. :banana:
ooooh, are congratulatory drinks in order?
oh, you said May... that's too long to wait for a drink, I'll start today, you can catch up later.
Boy, that's a long notice. Was this your idea for you to leave or theirs?
Best hopes for landing in a better spot, Sabrina.
I got a promotion today. :sarcasm:
It seems I am now the "Chief Information Officer" because I had to fill some paperwork out for our Commercial Insurance here today for our computer systems and setup and someones name had to be on that line. No extra money somehow though. I'll bet money this comes back to bite me in the ass somehow too.
Well, you certainly impart quite a bit of information around here. :laugh:
ooohhhh, we have a CIO in our midst!!!
we bow to our CIO overlords
(http://media.giphy.com/media/pDL9XsKWIJ7u8/giphy.gif)
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Our father who art CIO. We bless you Joe! :grin:
Kinda makes me glad my brother doesn't believe in job titles.
CIO = Chief Idiot Overlord. :laugh:
I read that as "Chief Idiot Overload" :drunk3:
Probably more accurate. I doubt I would make a good overlord.
maybe an overloaded overlord would be better.
How about a loaded overlord? I can get loaded pretty easily.
How do you unload a truck full of CIOs?
...a pitchfork.
ooooh, it's a dead baby joke remade!!!
luv me some dead baby jokes.
Ouch!
Quote from: david on May 02, 2014, 02:32:10 PMooooh, it's a dead baby joke remade!!!
luv me some dead baby jokes.
:laugh: me too!
What do you call a dead baby in a pile of leaves?
Russel.
What's worse then 10,000 dead babies in a pile?
One live one on the bottom trying to eat his way out.
What do you say to a woman with no arms and no legs?
Nice tits.
~Angus Oblong
Why do you load a baby into a blender feet first?
So you can see the expression on its face!
You are all going to hell!
:lmao:
Oh, Joe, you've stepped in it now. You know that once you do something, they expect you to keep taking care of it. Of course, no raise, just more headaches.
On another note, my mom passed April 13. I'm so glad I brought her home when I did instead of listening to the nursing rehab place, who wanted me to keep her there to "get stronger." I interpreted that as "get more money from you" and brought her home. She didn't last three weeks. Let me tell you, hospice is way more help than you'd expect, if you are ever in that situation. They are angels.
God blessed me with a good boss who will take me back. I guess it doesn't hurt that my replacement is one of those smart alecks who thinks he knows everything but keeps screwing up. Judging from the e-mails and phone calls I got for help (from my boss, not the guy in my place), the guy never paid attention to all the instructions I left for how to do virtually everything related to my job. I never had it that good in a new job, it should have been easy for him, but he insists on doing things his way, which turns out wrong.
Anyway, I'm planning on going back to work May 12, so I'll be back to harassing you all on a regular basis then. The press girl will be so grateful to have me back, I bet I'll get free eggs from her chickens for a long time.
Keep those "tasteful" jokes coming, I love them.
I'm sorry to hear about your Mom but the suffering is over. Take care.
Sorry Possum, and glad to have you around more
Quote from: Joe on May 02, 2014, 03:16:15 PMI'm sorry to hear about your Mom but the suffering is over. Take care.
If you're the religious type, then she's in a better place. If you're not, then everything happens for a reason. Either way, it's good she didn't have to go through a prolonged period of suffering.
(http://cdn2.holytaco.com/wp-content/uploads/photo/1f/10386/Dead-Baby-Jokes-are-Timeless.jpg)
Thanks, guys. Right now I'm having myself a good drunk, the first in many years, so anything I say, just don't pay much attention.
I will be back more, 'cause I can't imaging working without you guys. Joe, don't let them pile more junk on you. I've been in that position, called "web master" just because I found out how to upload some special sections at a small newspaper to their website. I never was a web master, never learned programming, just got that title stuck on me, no raise of course. The more you can do, the more you do, the more they expect you to do. What raise, it's just part of your job now.
Quote from: born2print on May 02, 2014, 03:29:07 PM(http://cdn2.holytaco.com/wp-content/uploads/photo/1f/10386/Dead-Baby-Jokes-are-Timeless.jpg)
very Monty Python-esque
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wshyX6Hw52I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wshyX6Hw52I)
Quote from: DigiCorn on May 02, 2014, 03:32:00 PMQuote from: born2print on May 02, 2014, 03:29:07 PM(http://cdn2.holytaco.com/wp-content/uploads/photo/1f/10386/Dead-Baby-Jokes-are-Timeless.jpg)
very Monty Python-esque
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wshyX6Hw52I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wshyX6Hw52I)
That reminds me of the diagrams found on some big pails of kitty litter. It pictures a kid sticking his head in the bucket with a warning. I always figured if I had a kid that dumb, he deserved whatever he got.
Quote from: Possum on May 02, 2014, 03:31:33 PMThanks, guys. Right now I'm having myself a good drunk, the first in many years, so anything I say, just don't pay much attention.
I will be back more, 'cause I can't imaging working without you guys. Joe, don't let them pile more junk on you. I've been in that position, called "web master" just because I found out how to upload some special sections at a small newspaper to their website. I never was a web master, never learned programming, just got that title stuck on me, no raise of course. The more you can do, the more you do, the more they expect you to do. What raise, it's just part of your job now.
The problem is that I am the only one here that could answer the questions about the servers, network, internet access. Most of it dealt with do you have backups and a plan for disaster recovery. Do you have posted guidelines for internet and email usage, etc...Answered no to most things so I'm sure the insurance company will kick it back telling them they need to institute all of those things. And I'm going to tell them they will either need to hire someone full time to take care of that stuff or give me a hell of a lot more money than they are now. I wonder how much a good CIO earns?
A hellava lot more than you will.
What's the difference between a dead baby and a trampoline?
You take your boots off when you jump on a trampoline.
Quote from: Possum on May 02, 2014, 03:39:11 PMA hellava lot more than you will.
But...but...but....it had my name next to CIO on the form!
Well, yeah, your reward is the new title. Didn't you know?
Sad to hear that Possum. As Joe says, take care.
Quote from: Possum on May 02, 2014, 03:11:32 PMJudging from the e-mails and phone calls I got for help (from my boss, not the guy in my place)
" ... you don't what you got 'till it's gone..." (Joni Mitchell). Similar effect for me recently, am guessing. Did meself an injury and couldn't do the plate processor service. Had to get Fujifilm guy out. We had a great time talking as he did it, but I bet they'll blanch at the bill. I assume they might value the silly old grunt slushin' for 4~5 hours every 6 weeks now. Or not. The latter, I reckon. :shrug:
Hey Possum, Sorry about your Mom
Great to hear you have a good boss, and welcome back!
Sorry about your Mom Possum, she's no longer in pain now.
They are happy to have you back for about maybe a month. Then it's back to the same old shit. I like to remind them every once and a while just to shake them up.
Oh, yeah, I figure they'll be hugging me out in the parking lot, then the same ol, same ol. I'm not always as dumb as i look.
My boss has a very very bad habit of blaming people for clear errors on her part. And she gets nasty about it. Well, she blamed me for her error last Wednesday in which I responded with " I gotta go" punched the clock and split. Never called or talked to her until Saturday. She ended up in my seat performing my job in which she blamed the pressman for fucking up the jobs she output. I shit you not. Well I'm back at work....... :lmao:
Quote from: jimking on May 05, 2014, 01:30:13 PMMy boss has a very very bad habit of blaming people for clear errors on her part. And she gets nasty about it. Well, she blamed me for her error last Wednesday in which I responded with " I gotta go" punched the clock and split. Never called or talked to her until Saturday. She ended up in my seat performing my job in which she blamed the pressman for fucking up the jobs she output. I shit you not. Well I'm back at work....... :lmao:
Anything on YouTube covering all that?
Welp...today's the day I clean out my desk and delete my personal files.
Training for the newbie starts Monday so I will have minimal access to this computer which means my B4P activity will decline. :cry:
It is so slow, our big press won't run again until next Thursday! Which also means I'll be working "reduced" hours until my last day (May 23).
But something tells me I probably won't make it until then.
At this point it looks like I'll be leaving the country at the end of the month/beginning of June.
wheeeeeee
Good luck and don't be a stranger.
Quote from: Sabrina The Turd Polisher on May 09, 2014, 06:49:50 AMWelp...today's the day I clean out my desk and delete my personal files.
Training for the newbie starts Monday so I will have minimal access to this computer which means my B4P activity will decline. :cry:
It is so slow, our big press won't run again until next Thursday! Which also means I'll be working "reduced" hours until my last day (May 23).
But something tells me I probably won't make it until then.
At this point it looks like I'll be leaving the country at the end of the month/beginning of June.
wheeeeeee
Why are you leaving this job, leaving the country?
Heading to the banana latitudes for a career change: pirate's wench and barmaid.
:grin:
That's a upward move if I ever heard of one. :thumbsup:
Agree, a self promotion. I'm jealous. :givebeer:
yeah, we're gonna start a "We Hate Sabrina" club as soon as she leaves...
unless we can come with.
Just how big is the boat Sabby?
Do you have to be a woman to apply for the job of wench?
maybe not... do you look good dressed up as a wench?
can you drink rum?
The image of corn in a grass skirt and a coconut bra just popped into my head.
Don't know how I feel about that.
Quote from: david on May 09, 2014, 08:17:18 AMmaybe not... do you look good dressed up as a wench?
can you drink rum?
yes on both counts. but i prefer gin or vodka.
Quote from: Farabomb on May 09, 2014, 08:49:57 AMThe image of corn in a grass skirt and a coconut bra just popped into my head.
Don't know how I feel about that.
if you're conflicted, then why don't you buy me a drink...
sailor
that's Mr. Sailor to you!
Quote from: Sabrina The Turd Polisher on May 09, 2014, 07:36:26 AMHeading to the banana latitudes for a career change: pirate's wench and barmaid.
:grin:
Just got back from the Dom Rep. I could live there for sure. Heavenly warm ocean breezes and booze - so cheap you can't afford not to drink. :smiley:
Hate me all you want...
But this is a serious change.
I'm getting rid of 90% of my stuff, selling my car, getting rid of my cats :-( and walking into the unknown.
In a foreign land...a place I've never been to.
Everything I've ever known, the things I'm used to are soon to be gone.
I'm just hoping that once I get to the other side, it will be as good as I'm told.
But, I'm totally ready to bartend, be a captain's wench, swim and snorkel!
It's nice you have that luxury. And one of the national languages of Belize is English.
Quote from: Sabrina The Turd Polisher on May 09, 2014, 09:58:34 AMHate me all you want...
But this is a serious change.
I'm getting rid of 90% of my stuff, selling my car, getting rid of my cats :-( and walking into the unknown.
In a foreign land...a place I've never been to.
Everything I've ever known, the things I'm used to are soon to be gone.
I'm just hoping that once I get to the other side, it will be as good as I'm told.
But, I'm totally ready to bartend, be a captain's wench, swim and snorkel!
nah, we don't really hate... just really jealous. I hope it all works out for you and that it becomes all you wish.
Like David no hate here dear, just jealousy.
Quote from: Farabomb on May 09, 2014, 10:31:10 AMLike David no hate here dear, just jealousy.
What's keeping you where you are?
Just slip away in the dead of night, never to return.
You could be an Unsolved Mystery™
I know there's no real hate :kiss:
When you get established, you're going to send for the rest of us, right?
sure!
No hate here. Just envious as hell! And to show you how sick I am...in the dead of winter and my teeth are chattering and I'm up to my ass in snow I demand pics of where you are at. Don't deny me or I will have the current government of wherever you are at to deport you to a northern USA location. I own my own forum on the internet ya know. I have connections! :sarcasm:
tough love!
Quote from: Joe on May 09, 2014, 11:18:18 AMNo hate here. Just envious as hell! And to show you how sick I am...in the dead of winter and my teeth are chattering and I'm up to my ass in snow I demand pics of where you are at. Don't deny me or I will have the current government of wherever you are at to deport you to a northern USA location. I own my own forum on the internet ya know. I have connections! :sarcasm:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: DigiCorn on May 09, 2014, 10:35:14 AMQuote from: Farabomb on May 09, 2014, 10:31:10 AMLike David no hate here dear, just jealousy.
What's keeping you where you are?
Just slip away in the dead of night, never to return.
You could be an Unsolved Mystery™
Obligations and total lack of money.
Quote from: Farabomb on May 09, 2014, 12:24:57 PMQuote from: DigiCorn on May 09, 2014, 10:35:14 AMQuote from: Farabomb on May 09, 2014, 10:31:10 AMLike David no hate here dear, just jealousy.
What's keeping you where you are?
Just slip away in the dead of night, never to return.
You could be an Unsolved Mystery™
Obligations and total lack of money.
The perfect reason to start over south of the border, señior
If you run into John McAfee, say "Hi". :laugh: Seriously though, well wishes for that change. :cool:
If you run out of money, you could always get a job doing phone support for some software company. At least the callers would be able to understand you.
she would need to develop a fake accent, just to qualify for the job.
It would be great if I could go for just a couple weeks or 3
I understand that it is very beautiful there and the water is always warm.
Quote from: Tjenxman on May 12, 2014, 05:28:49 PMI understand that it is very beautiful there and the water is always warm.
... and some pics please, once you've settled in. We like virtual travel here. :laugh:
Quote from: Farabomb on May 09, 2014, 08:49:57 AMThe image of corn in a grass skirt and a coconut bra just popped into my head.
Don't know how I feel about that.
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Cheers, John the Fontaholic :drunk3:
which one are you?
I was going to say "class reunion"... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Standing at the computer where we clock in/out here...about to punch out for the last time.
Owner got us lunch, they all got me some mushy card and I cried. :laugh: (bastards)
there is a storm of emotions I am dealing with about everything (not just work/prepress).
Right now, departure looks like it will be in Mid-June so I'll be staying with friends here in town until then since I am moving out of my apt on the 31st. Which means I'll be on here more often until then.
Hope you all are doing well, I had enough time to post this not to browse... :hello:
I hope all goes smoothly for you.
It's never too late to change your mind!
Quote from: Sabrina The Turd Polisher on May 23, 2014, 01:55:12 PMStanding at the computer where we clock in/out here...about to punch out for the last time.
Owner got us lunch, they all got me some mushy card and I cried. :laugh: (bastards)
there is a storm of emotions I am dealing with about everything (not just work/prepress).
Right now, departure looks like it will be in Mid-June so I'll be staying with friends here in town until then since I am moving out of my apt on the 31st. Which means I'll be on here more often until then.
Hope you all are doing well, I had enough time to post this not to browse... :hello:
Good luck. Don't forget...I want pics of your adventure.
(http://www.fancydresswarehouse.com/images/products/generic/medium/63271.jpg)
In uniform is ok, I mean, you know... if you want to.
remember, no drinking on the ship!
LOL
Quote from: Sabrina The Turd Polisher on May 23, 2014, 01:55:12 PMStanding at the computer where we clock in/out here...about to punch out for the last time.
Owner got us lunch, they all got me some mushy card and I cried. :laugh: (bastards)
there is a storm of emotions I am dealing with about everything (not just work/prepress).
Right now, departure looks like it will be in Mid-June so I'll be staying with friends here in town until then since I am moving out of my apt on the 31st. Which means I'll be on here more often until then.
Hope you all are doing well, I had enough time to post this not to browse... :hello:
Remember to BE CAREFUL, and send pix. I love it down there. What you are doing was and is still a lifelong dream for many of us.
Said 'goodbye' to prepress in January. Now doing straight up programming, application development and data processing for a company that prints and manufactures plastic cards (hotel keys, RFID cards, gift cards, etc.)
Use InDesign on a daily basis to prepare data proofs, but that's about as close to prepress as I get.
Absolutely in love with the work ... although it's far, far away from any prepress I ever did (including all the VDP I've done over the past six years), it seems like a very natural progression.
Quote from: youston on June 16, 2014, 07:32:51 PMSaid 'goodbye' to prepress in January. Now doing straight up programming, application development and data processing for a company that prints and manufactures plastic cards (hotel keys, RFID cards, gift cards, etc.)
Use InDesign on a daily basis to prepare data proofs, but that's about as close to prepress as I get.
Absolutely in love with the work ... although it's far, far away from any prepress I ever did (including all the VDP I've done over the past six years), it seems like a very natural progression.
ow... my (old) head hurts. :old:
You sound pretty happy with it. :cool:
And you're living near Appalachian music. :jealous:
Good for you, Youston. You can still come back here and gloat once in a while, can't you? We've lost too many of our main posters.
Quote from: youston on June 16, 2014, 07:32:51 PMSaid 'goodbye' to prepress in January. Now doing straight up programming, application development and data processing for a company that prints and manufactures plastic cards (hotel keys, RFID cards, gift cards, etc.)
Use InDesign on a daily basis to prepare data proofs, but that's about as close to prepress as I get.
Absolutely in love with the work ... although it's far, far away from any prepress I ever did (including all the VDP I've done over the past six years), it seems like a very natural progression.
Good for you man.
I'm dying to get the hell out of this place. I'd be ok with prepress at another place but here is just plain miserable. I had a "vacation" last week and as I was leaving I was told there may be a job you'll have to work on.... then a email a few hours later about another possible job. Totally ruined my vacation.
Now the boss is going away for 2 days at the end of the week and I have to cover. I get no backup here at all but I have to cover everyone else's ass. Think I'll spend those 2 days putting down all my issues with this place and have him read it when he gets back.
Anyone hiring next week?
Also give the boss an invoice for anything you did for the company while on "vacation."
Quote from: Possum on June 17, 2014, 07:22:13 AMGood for you, Youston. You can still come back here and gloat once in a while, can't you? We've lost too many of our main posters.
Oh, I don't think I'm going anywhere any time soon.
That's very cool that you love your job!
Can't say I'm loving mine right now.
We are having boss issues right now
there is always "boss" issues...
always
Agreed 100%.
The one here thinks he's a dictator and in a way he's right.
He should open a history book and see how well dictators have fared throughout history.
off with his head!
Quote from: Farabomb on June 17, 2014, 07:46:06 AMQuote from: youston on June 16, 2014, 07:32:51 PMSaid 'goodbye' to prepress in January. Now doing straight up programming, application development and data processing for a company that prints and manufactures plastic cards (hotel keys, RFID cards, gift cards, etc.)
Use InDesign on a daily basis to prepare data proofs, but that's about as close to prepress as I get.
Absolutely in love with the work ... although it's far, far away from any prepress I ever did (including all the VDP I've done over the past six years), it seems like a very natural progression.
Good for you man.
I'm dying to get the hell out of this place. I'd be ok with prepress at another place but here is just plain miserable. I had a "vacation" last week and as I was leaving I was told there may be a job you'll have to work on.... then a email a few hours later about another possible job. Totally ruined my vacation.
Now the boss is going away for 2 days at the end of the week and I have to cover. I get no backup here at all but I have to cover everyone else's ass. Think I'll spend those 2 days putting down all my issues with this place and have him read it when he gets back.
Anyone hiring next week?
I would call him about every two hours on his 2 days away just to ask him stupid shit.
The problem is when you drop down to other's level's they end up beating you on experience alone.
I'll just stick to being a better human being.
The note I'm writing is up to 2 pages now. I may have to upload it here for some edits.
just mark it final.jpeg.final_rev4, and we'll get right on it.
press is waiting...
Quote from: Farabomb on June 17, 2014, 11:29:01 AMThe problem is when you drop down to other's level's they end up beating you on experience alone.
I'll just stick to being a better human being.
The note I'm writing is up to 2 pages now. I may have to upload it here for some edits.
While I agree that is the preferred method...when it becomes obvious that isn't working, and in your case I think it is, you sometimes have to stoop to heir level and sling some poop back at them.
I'm having dictator issues :laugh:
would you take a step back in your job, just to get out of where you are at?
Not here. I'm happy here. But I have twice before when the place I was at sucked.
I once had an issue with some co-workers. It was a thermal printing shop. Prepress was me, and 4 women - we were all about the same age at that time. One of the girls had a giant bag of fortune cookies on her desk. I would come back from lunch and find fortunes taped to my monitor like, "You will find happiness in a new career," etc. We were our own internal proofing department, and they kept track of mistakes based on your initials where you'd sign off for typesetting and initials where you'd sign off for proofing. They'd forge my initials on some of the mistake jobs, and I still had the highest accuracy percentage.
Then one day in the paper I saw an ad for our company looking for a prepress position. I went to the owner and asked him about it, and he said one of the girls was being promoted, but I called bullshit and showed him all the evidence I collected about the harassment. He told me to go home (with pay) and come back the next day for a meeting. I came in the next day and he hadn't yet met with anyone. I told him that was bullshit (one of the girls was dating his son - the same one who was being promoted), and I didn't want to work there anymore. He agreed it was bullshit and immediately called a meeting.
We all sat in a room and discussed the issues. After a few minutes it became clear they were ganging up on me and telling a lot of lies, so i got up, said, if you're going to act like a bunch of bitches and not tell the truth, then I don't want to work here anymore; you can find someone else to replace me, and I walked out. The owner called me at home a bunch of times and begged me to come back. This went on for a few weeks, and finally he just said he didn't blame me, and paid me for like 2 months salary; I think he was afraid of being sued.
Later I found out two of the other girls got fired, but of course not the one his son was dating.
The place I worked before here I quit and walked out three or four times, but each time they called and begged me to come back, and also bought a bunch of new equipment and software to make things better. That place still sucked and had shitty owners who treated all the employees pretty crappy. This place I work now is the best place I've ever worked, and my complaints about it are really paltry - I mean my biggest rants are that people here try to help me and fuck up because they don't what they're doing... but at least they're trying to help me, you know? Not like where people feign ignorance or throw you under a bus. I mean, I do have a sausage, and he only gets in the mix because the boss gets super impatient with stuff sometimes, but in reality he tries. My only other rants are with customers, or the daily idiots who walk in here thinking it's Capitol Barricade.
If I were to walk out, they'd talk me back, too, but just so they'd have more time to find a replacement at their leisure. It can be risky when they know you're willing to walk.
One proofreader we had would miss stuff (I forgot to tell you the customer wanted this), then she would catch it after I'd fixed stuff and sent up another proof, THEN she would mark it wrong on the first proof like I'd neglected to fix everything. I felt like scanning every proof that got sent back for corrections. Only way I'd be able to prove it.
If I walked out here, they'd probably just replace me with the new guy... but they'd struggle. A lot.
Once you get entrenched in a shop, sometimes there's certain customers or jobs you just learn what to do, and it's assumed they get taken care of each submission. It's unspoken, and expected. You can't really teach or train for that stuff - you just have to know/see it when it comes in.
Each time I take days off for vacation or whatnot, I'm always told upon return how much I'm missed because this, that or the other slipped through the cracks.
It's like that song, "Don't Know What You've Got Till It's Gone."
Quote from: Possum on June 17, 2014, 12:50:50 PMTHEN she would mark it wrong on the first proof like I'd neglected to fix everything.
F-that. I have killed for less.
I know I'm replaceable, everyone is. When I left last time he realized how much I do around here.
Sadly it didn't last long. I am very unhappy here. I dread every day I come in. It wouldn't be as bad if I didn't work for family. I'd be able to walk out and tell them to fuck off a lot more easily.
Family also gives them an out to treat you worse. Gee, I bet holidays are fun.
The one good thing is he doesn't mention work at family gatherings at all. Probably because he doesn't want me to light him up in front of the family.
Now that particular family gathering would probably end up on YouTube!
farabomb, I wonder if you shouldn't follow Joe's advice and fight fire with fire. Call his ass 3-4 times a day while he's gone...
and I would add you should be out back tuning your Subaru or restoring an old bike or something.
Can't beat 'em so join 'em.
I concur. This is a marvelous idea.
The shop back here is shit compared to my shop. My place has 2 lifts, a hunter alignment rack and stocked with at least 2x if not 4x of every snap-on tool I would need.
Back there is just a harbor freight catalog and redneck engineering. Good enough is the mantra here. At my place it's it must be perfect because 100 mph is no joke.
After the initial BS as I was leaving I was left alone. I still felt I needed to check daily just because of how I am. He'll have enough to read when he gets back. If he wants to be a dick then he'll just be back to when I was gone. Except I am not coming back without a signed contract... if I come back.
I'm the Prepress manager here and I need a good night-shift person. One who is dependable, can put up with my shit and do the job without me hovering over their back. You want the job, it's yours. You would have to move here, but I would hold it for you since it's my decision.
It pays about $18-20 an hour, you would have some OT on occasion, maybe some weekends depending on the workload. We are the biggest Printshop in OKC and there is stability here. This company I work for is a great company.
I NEED YOU. I will train you personally on the ways here and how we do shit.
Call me if you want to talk about it.
Just to be clear... I want to help you. This isn't an offer I would extend to just anyone. We have a lot of shit coming up in the very near future, and I want to get this ball rolling to make sure my department is ready for it.
:wtf: I thought the offer was for all of us. I already had my suitcase packed! :tongue:
Quote from: Joe on July 12, 2014, 01:43:08 PM:wtf: I thought the offer was for all of us. I already had my suitcase packed! :tongue:
She isn't responding, I still need someone... Joe, if I could get you down here... where would I end up? Of course, the offer would stand for you. As long as you sign a waiver that you won't try to take my job. :laugh:
I'm pretty happy on 2nd shift away from all of the bullshit so your job would be safe. But damn man, I can't come to Oklahoma. I hear they have tornadoes there. BIG ones! :sarcasm:
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on July 12, 2014, 10:08:55 PMQuote from: Joe on July 12, 2014, 01:43:08 PM:wtf: I thought the offer was for all of us. I already had my suitcase packed! :tongue:
She isn't responding, I still need someone... Joe, if I could get you down here... where would I end up? Of course, the offer would stand for you. As long as you sign a waiver that you won't try to take my job. :laugh:
She, I thought you were actually offering it to Farabomb? :laugh:
I would hope that there would be a job of working at home fixing photos.
There is so many crappy photos out there, you would think there be a need.
But of course, one would get very tired after a little while of fixing "selfies."
There is plenty of need. But no one wants to pay for it.
Syphon, maybe you are going about this all wrong. You definitely have an eye for photography and photo enhancements. Why not get a really good portfolio together with your best stuff, and start hitting up magazines and online publications. It only takes one willing to take a shot to get your career off the ground. You are far better than a lot of photographers I have seen making a shitload of cash out here.
Are you a member of any photography clubs? I know of a publication we print here called PSA. It showcases photography from all over the world and some of it is REALLY good, and some of it is REALLY bad. I think you would do well. If you would like, I can get you the information. Joining a community of like minded artists can lead to all sorts of possibilities. Being at the right place and the right time, and knowing JUST the right person... you know what I'm saying.
Have you entered any of your work in any contests? That can also lead to possibilities. You are really good, man. I've been watching your photography flourish over the years... I am blown away by a lot of it. The old hearse image you shot a few years back? One of my favorite images of ALL TIME. I would love to have the original, but you know what? I wouldn't even ask for a copy without paying you for it. Shoot me a price and we'll talk about it... if you're interested.
I can't imagine a newspaper or magazine hiring a freelancer just to work on pics from the outside. Not to bum you out Syphon, but the reality is the photographers I've worked with do their own photoediting, I just supplied them with the profiles. Major big city newspapers are laying off most of their photographers (Pulitzer prize winners) and making the staff that's left use iPhones. No one gives a shit anymore.
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on July 12, 2014, 10:08:55 PMQuote from: Joe on July 12, 2014, 01:43:08 PM:wtf: I thought the offer was for all of us. I already had my suitcase packed! :tongue:
She isn't responding, I still need someone... Joe, if I could get you down here... where would I end up? Of course, the offer would stand for you. As long as you sign a waiver that you won't try to take my job. :laugh:
It'd be a pay cut... and a lifestyle cut. Tell you what; You move the business to the Seattle/Olympia/Portland/Eugene area and I'll take it.
I just don't agree with the freelance photography thing not being a viable career. Yes, digital cameras have taken a lot of that work away, but good photography is still not an easy thing to come by and publications such as National Geographic, car magazines, hell, even Playboy and porn DO NOT use digital cameras off a cell phone by the secretary up front.
You have to have an eye to shoot good photos, and Syphon MOST assuredly has it. It's all about getting involved in the community and finding your niche. There is absolutely nothing wrong with pursuing your passions and this bullshit about the internet, camera phones and easy, this and that and not caring anymore is just nonsense.
I personally know several freelance photographers that make a VERY good living, and really look at the shit you print, if you do publication work... if you think amateurs are shooting most of that, you're wrong.
I have to fix professional photography all the time. Photographers usually have no clue about what looks good in print versus what they see on screen. I am not suggesting Syphon try to make a career out of editing images. I am suggesting he does it all from concept, to photography to editing. THE WHOLE PACKAGE.
Quote from: Syphon on July 13, 2014, 09:12:07 AMI would hope that there would be a job of working at home fixing photos.
There is so many crappy photos out there, you would think there be a need.
But of course, one would get very tired after a little while of fixing "selfies."
This was the type of job I was referring to. I don't believe there's a market for for fixing photos at home freelancing out to newspapers and magazines. Opening a photography studio is a completely different animal.
http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/1/4386074/chicago-sun-times-cuts-entire-photography-staff-trains-reporters-iphone (http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/1/4386074/chicago-sun-times-cuts-entire-photography-staff-trains-reporters-iphone)
Quote from: Designia on July 14, 2014, 12:03:38 PMQuote from: Syphon on July 13, 2014, 09:12:07 AMI would hope that there would be a job of working at home fixing photos.
There is so many crappy photos out there, you would think there be a need.
But of course, one would get very tired after a little while of fixing "selfies."
This was the type of job I was referring to. I don't believe there's a market for for fixing photos at home freelancing out to newspapers and magazines. Opening a photography studio is a completely different animal.
http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/1/4386074/chicago-sun-times-cuts-entire-photography-staff-trains-reporters-iphone (http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/1/4386074/chicago-sun-times-cuts-entire-photography-staff-trains-reporters-iphone)
Absolutely, I totally agree with that. Syphon, go take some more pictures and show the world what you can do, my man.
I was wondering who from here was on my G+ with all the photos.
You really do have a good eye there, sir.
I know right, the guy is bad ass.
Dude got dat glass eye. :toaster:
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on July 13, 2014, 04:40:57 PMSyphon, maybe you are going about this all wrong. You definitely have an eye for photography and photo enhancements. Why not get a really good portfolio together with your best stuff, and start hitting up magazines and online publications. It only takes one willing to take a shot to get your career off the ground. You are far better than a lot of photographers I have seen making a shitload of cash out here.
Are you a member of any photography clubs? I know of a publication we print here called PSA. It showcases photography from all over the world and some of it is REALLY good, and some of it is REALLY bad. I think you would do well. If you would like, I can get you the information. Joining a community of like minded artists can lead to all sorts of possibilities. Being at the right place and the right time, and knowing JUST the right person... you know what I'm saying.
Have you entered any of your work in any contests? That can also lead to possibilities. You are really good, man. I've been watching your photography flourish over the years... I am blown away by a lot of it. The old hearse image you shot a few years back? One of my favorite images of ALL TIME. I would love to have the original, but you know what? I wouldn't even ask for a copy without paying you for it. Shoot me a price and we'll talk about it... if you're interested.
Thanks DigitalCrapShoveler.
I do get a lot of support from friends and family. I do not know if I ever mentioned it here on B4print, but I have been a member of NAPP (National Association of Photoshop Professionals) for years. One learns a lot from professional photographers at NAPP, that's where I learned everything about Photoshop/Photography.
We do have some local galleries that I am looking at seeing about displaying some stuff. Also, I have a SmugMug page setup to sell prints, etc.
But, I am hoping to create my own book of photos in the next couple of years.
As for the old hearst, you buy a print from my SmugMug, here is the link: http://jfphoto65.smugmug.com/Other/Black-and-White/i-FwS5q7b/0/X3/20110727-_MG_1496-BW-X3.jpg (http://jfphoto65.smugmug.com/Other/Black-and-White/i-FwS5q7b/0/X3/20110727-_MG_1496-BW-X3.jpg)
But if you want a photoshop TIF file, here is a copy for you man. You deserve it after what you and your family been through:https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18770304/20110727-_MG_1496-BW.tif (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18770304/20110727-_MG_1496-BW.tif)
That's fabulous! I was wondering about "hearse" but that's beautiful. Kinda steampunk, which I really love, hope that doesn't offend :)
Quote from: Syphon on July 15, 2014, 07:17:09 PMQuote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on July 13, 2014, 04:40:57 PMSyphon, maybe you are going about this all wrong. You definitely have an eye for photography and photo enhancements. Why not get a really good portfolio together with your best stuff, and start hitting up magazines and online publications. It only takes one willing to take a shot to get your career off the ground. You are far better than a lot of photographers I have seen making a shitload of cash out here.
Are you a member of any photography clubs? I know of a publication we print here called PSA. It showcases photography from all over the world and some of it is REALLY good, and some of it is REALLY bad. I think you would do well. If you would like, I can get you the information. Joining a community of like minded artists can lead to all sorts of possibilities. Being at the right place and the right time, and knowing JUST the right person... you know what I'm saying.
Have you entered any of your work in any contests? That can also lead to possibilities. You are really good, man. I've been watching your photography flourish over the years... I am blown away by a lot of it. The old hearse image you shot a few years back? One of my favorite images of ALL TIME. I would love to have the original, but you know what? I wouldn't even ask for a copy without paying you for it. Shoot me a price and we'll talk about it... if you're interested.
Thanks DigitalCrapShoveler.
I do get a lot of support from friends and family. I do not know if I ever mentioned it here on B4print, but I have been a member of NAPP (National Association of Photoshop Professionals) for years. One learns a lot from professional photographers at NAPP, that's where I learned everything about Photoshop/Photography.
We do have some local galleries that I am looking at seeing about displaying some stuff. Also, I have a SmugMug page setup to sell prints, etc.
But, I am hoping to create my own book of photos in the next couple of years.
As for the old hearst, you buy a print from my SmugMug, here is the link: http://jfphoto65.smugmug.com/Other/Black-and-White/i-FwS5q7b/0/X3/20110727-_MG_1496-BW-X3.jpg (http://jfphoto65.smugmug.com/Other/Black-and-White/i-FwS5q7b/0/X3/20110727-_MG_1496-BW-X3.jpg)
But if you want a photoshop TIF file, here is a copy for you man. You deserve it after what you and your family been through:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18770304/20110727-_MG_1496-BW.tif (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18770304/20110727-_MG_1496-BW.tif)
Thanks, man... you already know how I feel about your kindness and what I think about your work. I hope you continue, practice makes perfect and you are one of the best I have seen in a LONG time. Keep it up. my friend.
Not here. I'm happy here.
Quote from: dlink on May 12, 2016, 05:19:56 AMNot here. I'm happy here.
Wait -- what??!
Someone who's actually happy in prepress???!!!??!!?!
Cheers,
John the Fontaholic :drunk3:
:toaster:
Dude, it's a bot. NOBODY IS HAPPY IN PREPRESS.
Well, I'll be happy after the boss leaves and I can start spray painting my RC car body. Not that it would stop me if he was here...
Quote from: Farabomb on May 12, 2016, 08:02:57 AM:toaster:
Dude, it's a bot. NOBODY IS HAPPY IN PREPRESS.
Well, I'll be happy after the boss leaves and I can start spray painting my RC car body. Not that it would stop me if he was here...
I would not say "nobody is happy" I enjoy my job in pre press, look forward to heading into work in the morning. Now I do not see a fraction of the problems people complain about here so that obviously helps. It is an interesting job, lots of tech, software and things to keep up on. There is an element of pride in the job as well, it is the family business, 3 generations in.
There was a time I felt the same. I loved the art of beating files into submission.
Now my tech is years behind, the boss has lost interest, most customers don't care about quality and files, while better, are made by clueless hacks. I still have pride in my work, when I don't is when I leave.
But you are right, that comment isn't correct.
I complain a lot but there are a lot worse jobs and I've had several of them before I came to prepress. So I'm pretty happy too. But I try to keep that a secret. Shhhhh......
That's why it's called work.
I love working on cars, doing it for a living sucked. I love cooking, doing it for a living sucks.
I've had worse jobs.
bubkis (Meant to post here (https://www.b4print.com/index.php?topic=9369.msg297203#msg297203))
My worst job was shoveling horse shit at a ranch. Not much different to what im doing today.
Quote from: delooch on January 08, 2018, 03:39:17 PMMy worst job was shoveling horse shit at a ranch. Not much different to what im doing today.
Horses? Lucky. I shoveled pig shit. We called it, "the soupy."
So while we're on the topic of worst jobs... Resurfacing tennis courts. I spent one summer with my brother doing this. It is still done by wheelbarrow, and large squeegee. One man pulls the squeegee back and forth in lines across the length of the court, while another man runs (YES RUNS) back and forth with the wheelbarrow full of acrylic paint using a bucket to put a line out in front of the squeegee man. If the squeegee man takes too long or his line runs too thin it will streak, or create ridges. Once you start, you cannot stop until you are at the other side NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS. Yes, I had instances where my wheel barrow was too full and I dumped it (or splatter some) and the squeegee man had to speed up to get to where the spill was before it dried.
That doesn't even account for the hole digging for the net posts. You have to go about 3-4 times deeper than you would think because of the tension on the net. If the posts aren't deep enough the posts will bend in when you tighten the net.
All this was done in the 100 degree summer temps.
Not fond of this summer in my life. Not fond at all...
https://youtu.be/Zru-zDhnwcU
All so Buffy can cheat on her husband.
I did work in call center doing tech support for dsl. It was ok, but then one day they decided to make us cold call possible clients. That part SUCKED severely.
Quote from: Farabomb on January 09, 2018, 07:03:14 AMAll so Buffy can cheat on her husband.
...and she stepped on the ping pong ball...
hey
If I think myself on your side, then probably, I would love to open a T-shirt printing shop with even small printers. Today everybody wants personalized products to be it tshirt, hoodies, and also like caps or mugs. There are lots of web to print software provider in the market like Design'N'Buy. These providers have the latest web to print software and are affordable in range too.
a sales bot... about a subtle as a bear trap too.
WTF is a "Online Storefront Configurator" ???