Looking to get wide format printer & plotter

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beermonster

#30
February 24, 2011, 09:49:24 AM
we use photoprint6 here and very shortly caldera (which i'm getting trained on to be a demonstrator and support specialist).

as of yet i'm not convinced ANY of either onyx, caldera, shiraz, versaworks etc etc are APPE based - hence the issues gnub. I've asked several "experts" of these RIP's and NOT one of them understodd what APPE is!

Needless to say when I get doing installation demo's in packaging and repro environments i'm going to be in my element!
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gnubler

#31
February 24, 2011, 09:58:39 AM
Quote from: beermonster on February 24, 2011, 09:49:24 AMas of yet i'm not convinced ANY of either onyx, caldera, shiraz, versaworks etc etc are APPE based - hence the issues gnub. I've asked several "experts" of these RIP's and NOT one of them understodd what APPE is!

I probably don't either.  :embarrassed: What does it have to do with transparency and flattening?
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Quote from: pspdfppdfx on December 06, 2012, 05:03:51 PM
So,  :drunk3: i send the job to the rip with live transparecy (v 1.7 or whatever) and it craps out with a memory error.

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beermonster

#32
February 24, 2011, 10:06:41 AM
appe rips render the new transparency affects and maintain live transparency - non appe are either proprietory "pdf rendering" based (their own method of rendering newer transparency affects) or postscript based rips. Versaworks is a postscript based RIP - therefore cant handle the transparency too well. like quark did a while back whenever there's transparency instances it rasterizes it all and causes the "white box hell" issue :(

here using photoprint6 (which is an older version of it) I have no issues - then again i design most of the stuff we put through it so it's all good. however i do like a few drop shadows and some blending options - and i have no issues.

i have no idea what version photoprint is at. i've also used colorprint RIP and that wasn't too good with transparency. ya might need to just export pdf 1.3's that have flattened transparency and check in acrobat before ripping i guess.
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beermonster

#33
February 24, 2011, 10:15:16 AM
http://www.onyxgfx.com/index.php?area=products&subarea=printers_product

versacamm is a supported printer - in fact there's LOTS of supported printers!

i'll give feedback on caldera when i get the training :)
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gnubler

#34
February 24, 2011, 10:27:04 AM
Quote from: beermonster on February 24, 2011, 10:06:41 AMya might need to just export pdf 1.3's that have flattened transparency and check in acrobat before ripping i guess.

Thanks Beer. Good info.

On this particular file I got the same white box hell with my Creo RIP. I tried several diff tricks, including saving as PDF X, and the RIP still couldn't render it so I finally rasterized the background image (Illy artwork with drop shadow effect that I created, so of course the file was good  :sarcasm: ) My RIP also couldn't handle InDesign drop shadow text sitting on top of the Illy artwork so I had to scrap that also. VersaWorks RIP had the same problem.
Hicks • Cross • Carlin • Kinison • Parker • Stone •  Colbert • Hedberg • Stanhope • Burr

"As much as I'd like your guns I prefer your buns." - The G

Quote from: pspdfppdfx on December 06, 2012, 05:03:51 PM
So,  :drunk3: i send the job to the rip with live transparecy (v 1.7 or whatever) and it craps out with a memory error.

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gnubler

#35
February 24, 2011, 10:28:18 AM
Is anyone here using a Mimaki? That's another model Bossman is looking into.
Hicks • Cross • Carlin • Kinison • Parker • Stone •  Colbert • Hedberg • Stanhope • Burr

"As much as I'd like your guns I prefer your buns." - The G

Quote from: pspdfppdfx on December 06, 2012, 05:03:51 PM
So,  :drunk3: i send the job to the rip with live transparecy (v 1.7 or whatever) and it craps out with a memory error.

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DigiCorn

#36
February 24, 2011, 11:29:42 AM
Quote from: gnubler on February 24, 2011, 10:28:18 AMIs anyone here using a Mimaki? That's another model Bossman is looking into.
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Joe

#37
February 24, 2011, 02:06:01 PM
APPE licensing is probably too expensive for the digital copier RIPs to implement. Also APPE does flatten but not until it makes screened seps. The RIPs for the digital copiers never make screened seps so APPE may have the same issue flattening composite files as traditional RIPs. I've found our Fiery doesn't really like exported PDF's and the best thing I've found to use for these copiers is to make a PS file and distill.
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gnubler

#38
February 24, 2011, 02:13:04 PM
You know, I don't think I tried a PS/distill for this file. I'll do a test later and see if that works. Kills me to have to rasterize vector artwork.
Hicks • Cross • Carlin • Kinison • Parker • Stone •  Colbert • Hedberg • Stanhope • Burr

"As much as I'd like your guns I prefer your buns." - The G

Quote from: pspdfppdfx on December 06, 2012, 05:03:51 PM
So,  :drunk3: i send the job to the rip with live transparecy (v 1.7 or whatever) and it craps out with a memory error.

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gnubler

#39
February 24, 2011, 03:23:23 PM Last Edit: February 24, 2011, 03:25:58 PM by gnubler
Testing:

From Indy, print to PS, distill w/ standard Press settings but no compression, print to Creo RIP = white boxes around drop shadows. (80Mb PDF)
Print to PS, distill as X1A, print to Creo RIP = white boxes (2.5Mb PDF)
Import (not print) the X1A PDF into Creo RIP = white boxes

It's just screwed. That's why I ended up rasterizing it.

EDIT: I'm only getting white boxes in the Illustrator artwork and where an InDesign element w/ drop shadow touches the Illy art. Elsewhere there's text w/ drop shadow not touching the art and it didn't get a white box.
Hicks • Cross • Carlin • Kinison • Parker • Stone •  Colbert • Hedberg • Stanhope • Burr

"As much as I'd like your guns I prefer your buns." - The G

Quote from: pspdfppdfx on December 06, 2012, 05:03:51 PM
So,  :drunk3: i send the job to the rip with live transparecy (v 1.7 or whatever) and it craps out with a memory error.

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DigitalCrapShoveler

#40
February 24, 2011, 03:27:24 PM
Make sure your AI support is transparent. Are they AI files or .EPS files?
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Joe

#41
February 24, 2011, 03:33:23 PM
Press down on this.


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gnubler

#42
February 24, 2011, 03:33:58 PM
AI, placed in Illy.
Hicks • Cross • Carlin • Kinison • Parker • Stone •  Colbert • Hedberg • Stanhope • Burr

"As much as I'd like your guns I prefer your buns." - The G

Quote from: pspdfppdfx on December 06, 2012, 05:03:51 PM
So,  :drunk3: i send the job to the rip with live transparecy (v 1.7 or whatever) and it craps out with a memory error.

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DigitalCrapShoveler

#43
February 24, 2011, 03:36:12 PM
Quote from: gnubler on February 24, 2011, 03:33:58 PMAI, placed in Illy.


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gnubler

#44
February 24, 2011, 03:39:06 PM
It's a church project. I'd rather not.  :puke2:
Hicks • Cross • Carlin • Kinison • Parker • Stone •  Colbert • Hedberg • Stanhope • Burr

"As much as I'd like your guns I prefer your buns." - The G

Quote from: pspdfppdfx on December 06, 2012, 05:03:51 PM
So,  :drunk3: i send the job to the rip with live transparecy (v 1.7 or whatever) and it craps out with a memory error.

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