... to be able to set Crop and Art boxes to Bleed Box, in Edit. Currently only able to set to Media or Trim Boxes. Can do it manually with the Edit Page Box Tool... but...
Quote from: frailer on November 29, 2012, 08:50:32 PM... to be able to set Crop and Art boxes to Bleed Box, in Edit. Currently only able to set to Media or Trim Boxes. Can do it manually with the Edit Page Box Tool... but...
strange that you would care about either of those boxes, must be a XMF thing. Or a thing that makes the water in the toilet turn the other way. Prinergy doesn't care about those, it's the honey badger of workflows.
It don't care?
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/005/637/Honey-Badger-Dont-Care.jpg)
Quote from: t-pat on November 30, 2012, 11:47:50 AMQuote from: frailer on November 29, 2012, 08:50:32 PM... to be able to set Crop and Art boxes to Bleed Box, in Edit. Currently only able to set to Media or Trim Boxes. Can do it manually with the Edit Page Box Tool... but...
strange that you would care about either of those boxes, must be a XMF thing. Or a thing that makes the water in the toilet turn the other way. Prinergy doesn't care about those, it's the honey badger of workflows.
Ya well, I'll upload the file for you Monday. An assumption, but supplied PDF had Trims and edge images bled off OK, but too far, which is annoying. So, opening in DLP, I can set the Bleed box, get the dashed line, set to 3mm.... But there's no option to set Art/Crop to Bleed, only to Trim/Media. Gotta set them to the Bleed dimensions manually with the Page Box Tool.
Would be interesting to know if Prinergy allows the image to spill past the Bleed box. Could be a setting I'm not attending to in XMF, also. :undecided:
Shall be in touch Monday, but later, as you'll be asleep, presumably.... :laugh:
Preps preferences determine the bleed amount. Standard for us is .125" and centering the pdf on the trim box (override page geometry.). So - it doesn't matter what the other boxes are, as long as the trim box is right and there is bleed. Depending on the version of prinergy, similar settings are used, we have Evo so no real impose in-workflow, we make preps templates using live pdfs and send .pjtfs to plate/vps
For our copiers, everything is dependent on Media box, it centers the work based on the media box of the FIRST page. If the media boxes are inconsistent from page to page, or if the media box is not symmetrical in relation to the trim box, things get bad.
Quote from: frailer on November 30, 2012, 03:29:31 PMQuote from: t-pat on November 30, 2012, 11:47:50 AMQuote from: frailer on November 29, 2012, 08:50:32 PM... to be able to set Crop and Art boxes to Bleed Box, in Edit. Currently only able to set to Media or Trim Boxes. Can do it manually with the Edit Page Box Tool... but...
strange that you would care about either of those boxes, must be a XMF thing. Or a thing that makes the water in the toilet turn the other way. Prinergy doesn't care about those, it's the honey badger of workflows.
Ya well, I'll upload the file for you Monday. An assumption, but supplied PDF had Trims and edge images bled off OK, but too far, which is annoying. So, opening in DLP, I can set the Bleed box, get the dashed line, set to 3mm.... But there's no option to set Art/Crop to Bleed, only to Trim/Media. Gotta set them to the Bleed dimensions manually with the Page Box Tool.
Would be interesting to know if Prinergy allows the image to spill past the Bleed box. Could be a setting I'm not attending to in XMF, also. :undecided:
Shall be in touch Monday, but later, as you'll be asleep, presumably.... :laugh:
I would just delete the Art/Crop boxes and be done with it. As t-pat said...who needs 'em?
Only on b4p can a pic of an angry honey badger make its way into the middle of a thread and nobody cares, right back on topic. :laugh:
I killz me also.
Quote from: gnubler on November 30, 2012, 04:54:21 PMOnly on b4p can a pic of an angry honey badger make its way into the middle of a thread and nobody cares, right back on topic. :laugh:
I killz me also.
B4P is the honey badger of prepress forums?
We are all honey badgers in prepress.
Well, I think it's an art/crop box issue, but maybe, after all this, it's not. I'll Dropbox it Monday. I don't get why the image is extending beyond the Bleed box in XMF.
Later...
Laurens has a great page explaining PDF page boxes at prepressure.com: The PDF page boxes: MediaBox, CropBox, BleedBox, TrimBox & ArtBox (http://www.prepressure.com/pdf/basics/page_boxes)
Quote from: Joe on December 01, 2012, 09:52:22 AMLaurens has a great page explaining PDF page boxes at prepressure.com: The PDF page boxes: MediaBox, CropBox, BleedBox, TrimBox & ArtBox (http://www.prepressure.com/pdf/basics/page_boxes)
Yeah, good revision. The prob is the way the dezinger has set the doc up, for sure; or, the way XMF is NOT dealing with that; just annoying, mainly.
What exactly is XMF doing with/to it?
Quote from: Joe on December 01, 2012, 10:36:55 AMWhat exactly is XMF doing with/to it?
... letting it Bleed over past the XMF Bleed boundary. But let me check, and upload it as well, tomorrow.
Can't you just add an action to the Design Layout to change the required boxes?
(see attached)
these were made in 11 so they might not load, but they are just a simple action list, change cropbox to bleedbox size, change artbox to bleedbox size and i loaded them into the 'Actions' part of the design layout panel
Thanks abc, shall look into it tomorrow.
I think the problem is that the bleed box is bigger than desired. I think someone already mentioned that Preps will only use the amount of bleed that you specify in the template regardless of how much bleed is in the PDF. I would think XMF imposition would have a similar setting. The other option is to make the designer make the bleed exactly what it should be. They can do this by specifying the proper bleed size when creating the document in InDesign and then by specifying that the Export PDF use the document bleed size.
Image #1 shows how to specify the bleed when creating the document and image #2 shows how to make the PDF so it only gives you the amount of bleed used by the document bleed settings. This way even if they pull their bleed out 6 inches in InDesign the PDF would only show .125" of bleed.
Yeah, they're certainly getting all that wrong on Export. I'll have time to re-test the untouched PDF again in a new XMF test. If it doesn't chop it off I'll have to ask questions.
Posting this from wife's new MacBook Air. I like it.
In Preps you can either set the bleed for all pages in the template, individually for each page in the template, or in the entire Preps job.
Seems it was a PICNIC problem. Can't replicate the 'spillover' in XMF. Chopped off at Bleed, as desired. :embarrassed: Please resume normal programming. :laugh:
Quote from: frailer on December 03, 2012, 05:39:51 PMSeems it was a PICNIC problem. Can't replicate the 'spillover' in XMF. Chopped off at Bleed, as desired. :embarrassed: Please resume normal programming. :laugh:
we call those id-10-t errors
An OE Malfunction.
I had one yesterday when I dropped my bike. :cry:
mouse/keyboard interface error
I've also heard it called PEBCAK (Problem Exists Between Customer/Chair And Keyboard)