Hi Andyfest,

This is Prinect Inpress Control. It uses spectrophotometry to read the color bar on the fly. The operator programs the desired Delta E and the press will read the sheets and automatically adjust the ink zones towards the digital master file. Once the Delta E is met, the press will automatically start the good sheet counter, monitor the color and adjust if necessary. This also will read and adjust registration.  The colorbar is smaller then the standard Heidelberg colorbar so it takes up less real estate but as you stated,  it does require a different location so that the spectrophotometers can read it. 

Best,

Mark

Quote from: andyfest on May 08, 2018, 07:00:38 AMWe are supposed to be getting a new 40 inch Heidy as well. It also has onboard colour management and scanning. However, it will require us to move the colour bars from the traditional tail end of the sheet to the front edge of the sheet. 80% of our printing is repeat jobs, so it looks like it will mean rebuilding every layout template for every job that is to be printed. PITA, but it does take any colour guesswork away from the press crews and should solve about 90% of our rejectable issues for colour or colour variation.

Hi G Town,
That is Prinect Inspection Control. It will automatically read sheets and deflect ones that it detects has a problem such as hickey, etc.. Just imagine pharmaceutical having a mark that looks like a period......10.0 mg vs 100 mg. You can set 5 levels of inspection sensitivity so that a very important area can have the highest level of review. Reference becomes the target and the sheet is inspected comparing to the reference.

Best,

Mark

Quote from: G_Town on May 07, 2018, 02:58:43 PM

Quote from: Marktonk on May 04, 2018, 08:06:23 PMI would have to say you have great taste!!! I am a bit biased but that is one hell of a press.

Best,

Mark

Mark this comes with a scanning system that scans the sheet and compares to a file from prepress.

They sent me a 12 page document talking reference and inspection level files. I think I get what they are wanting me to send them but I'm not entirely sure.

I would have to say you have great taste!!! I am a bit biased but that is one hell of a press.

Best,

Mark

Yes, that is Chromacom furniture, expensive stuff that last forever

It really depends on what your standard is. It could be an  in house standard/target or Gracol or ISO or SWOP or other. This will direct what the dot gain is based on the paper and ink combination along with the many other variables. A linear plate will print with the adherent dot gain but will that meet the target? If not, then you need a curve to achieve it.

Best,

Mark

Hey DigiCorn,
I do have a bit of memory left in spite of having been a Prepress Manager at a web print shop for 6 years. And I did checked with my real memory, my wife. Although asking about good Mexican sounds very much like me, I was Product Manager for CtP and Color at the time but did not implement in the field. Perhaps I visited as I did travel some. The last time I saw a crotchety guy was this morning when I shaved.

Hi DigiCorn,

I am from Chicago (go Cubs) but that was not me as I was in Product Management then. So I would guess it was Ken who is from Chicago too or if the person was 6'8", it would have been Morgan from LA back then.  We do have several others that implement color management too but these would be the likely suspects :smiley: .

Best,

Mark

Quote from: frailer on September 18, 2016, 11:15:48 PMHaving to 'look' at Suprasetters, though it's a comparison exercise it seems, more than anything. My instinct is Screen PlateRite 4600/S.
My question... wondering if anyone knows if Suprasetters are made in Germany or whether they've been off-shored somewhere.

The PlateRites are made in Kyoto.

Hi frailer,
Zox is correct, the Suprasetter is designed and manufactured by Heidelberg in Weisloch, Germany, I am a bit familiar with the background as I was Product Manager for CtP in the US from 2000 to 2009. When Heidelberg acquired Linotype-Hell, we had the Gutenberg visible light laser CtP. In 1997, we went into a joint venture with Creo. Creo had the thermal Trendesetter and there were plates that held up to UV inks that visible light plates would not. Creo supplied the technology, Heidelberg supplied worldwide distribution and took over manufacturing. In 2000, Creo acquired Scitex, which was a direct competitor to Heidelberg Prepress. We dissolved the JV. With the Trendsetter, we did miss having internal punching and roboust automation with slipsheet removal we had with the Gutenberg. At that time, Screen offer this and  we purchased the Intellectual Rights to the Screen Plateright and named it the Topsetter. We started manufacture the Topsetter in Germany. In 2001, we launched the Heidelberg designed Prosetter Violet CtP. Once the Prosetter took off, we started R&D on the design of the Suprasetter. At Drupa 2004 we launched the Suprasetter 105 and Suprasetter 74. One thing we noticed is the Prosetter had a up 52 size CtP and there was the demand for a thermal version. At Graph Expo, 2006, I launched the new Suprasetter A74/A52.  At Drupa 2008, Heidelberg launched the new XL162 and XL 145 VLF presses and we launched the Suprasetter VLF CtP. One thing in common between the quite extensive system is that we use the same high quality laser in the 2 up to the VLF. It is the newest laser design on the market. So, although the Topsetter was a great CtP for it's time, we have moved on with our own design. I fell we really made improvements in technology. You said you are looking at the Plateright 4600 S. in that format, we have the Suprasetter A75. It has the smallest footprint of any CtP in this class. Our automation is called an AutoTopLoader or DualTopLoader. The automation sits on top of the CtP and only extends the front 18". We have greatly simplified the auto loading of plates, we feed the plate straight in like a press feeds paper, we do not have to flip the plate 180 degrees and travel a long distance to the CtP. We are the most energy efficient CtP on the market, the A75 only uses 550 watts when imaging, less than a hair dryer. We have the widest environment operating range of 62.6 to 86 degrees F and the widest humidity range of 30 to 70%. With our laser we have Intelligent Didoe system, we can lose more than one diode and continue to image. I could go on but just finished lunch and back at it. If you do have any questions, please let me know.
Best,
Mark Tonkovich
Heidelberg USA

Hi Perdue,

Web presses may have different requirements compared to sheetfed presses. Depending on the web press, not all CtPs can accommodate the requirements or have reduced productivity to accommodate.  So you should look closely at the specifications of the CtP.

Some CtP's devices will punch the plate prior to wrapping around the drum for registration purposes. Depending on your web press plate bends, the holes may lead to plate cracking. By slowing the CtP down by 1/3, the register punch can be turned off but you lose imaging speed.

Does your web press register from the side of the plate? A lot do. Most Sheetfed presses will be center register and not all CtP's can accommodate both center and side register.

You also need to look at the plate clamps on the CtP. Some web presses have very narrow bends and you do not want the plate clamps to be larger than the bend, you can not image through a plate clamp. Depending on the web press, I have seen bends being as small as 6 mm or it can be considerably larger. Some of the CtPs can reduce the plate clamping size but slow down the output by 1/3 to accommodate. This varies depending on the CtP and  even between models of the same manufacture.

When we designed the Suprasetter 106 CtP, we took the above into consideration. We do not require punches to register the plate on the drum therefore we are also running at image speed (plate dependent). If you do want to punch press notches, we do that after the plate has been imaged. The plate punch is activated by the plate chosen, so if you want to punch plates for sheetfed, when the CtP loads the sheetfed plate, it is centered, imaged and then punched. For web, it can be programmed to side register base on the web plate being loaded. You initially program this and then it is automatic.

The plate clamping on the Suprasetter 106 is 6 mm lead and 6 mm trailing so it works well for web and sheetfed and no loss of plate throughput.

If you do need an autoloader, we have some of the most modern loaders with very small footprint.  We have single cassettes (ACL) and a dual cassette (DCL). The autoloader sits behind the CtP and we incorporated the conveyor on top. The front of the Suprasetter is unobstructed so manual plate feed is the same with and with out automation. We can even add a pallet loader (APL) by itself or in conjunction with either.

I hope this helps. Please let me know if you have any questions. See link for more information on the Suprasetter 106.

https://www.heidelberg.com/us/en/products/prepress/computer_to_plate/prepress_overview.jsp

Mark Tonkovich
Heidelberg USA

Quote from: Perdue on February 24, 2016, 07:55:06 AMIve been tasked with finding a new CPT system for our company. We are Currently using an Agfa Acento but it is not wide enough for our recently acquired Web Press. Looking for something New or used.

Any advice or recommendations would be greatly appreciated

Hi Bakerman,

If I can be of any assistance, please let me know. Good luck in your research.

Best,

Mark

Bakerman,

The Suprasetter A52 meets your plate sizes. It has a minimum plate size of 9.45 x 9.45" and a maximum plate size of 26.61 X 20.87". This will image upto 20 or 27 plates per hour. As a manual CTP, it is a little smaller then the Magnus 400 and with an auto loader, considerably smaller then the Magnus 400. It also is much more energy efficient, using only 550 watts when imaging. Also, our laser is only on when imaging. Below is a link with info and you can download the specs. More information is needed to determine configuration so depending on where you are located, either I or one of my colleagues can review in detail with you. If interested, please e-mail me your company name and location so I can determine who can consult with you.

https://www.heidelberg.com/us/en/products/prepress/computer_to_plate/suprasetter_a52_a75/suprasetter_a52_a75.jsp

Thanks,
Mark
Mark.tonkovich@heidelberg.com

Quote from: Bakerman on September 24, 2015, 11:07:12 AMHello all,

I work in an print shop that only makes envelopes. We are looking for a replacement for our Magnus 400. Looking to get away from Kodak completely. We are a jet shop and run a very small plate 12.25" x 9.5" up to a super jet at 15.25" x 19.5". Looking for a dependable machine for plate making as well as a decent rip station to send our files to.

Anyone have a suggestion? A small footprint on the platemaker would be ideal. Nothing bigger than the Magnus400, we are a very small print shop.

TIA

Bakerman

Quote from: gig0 on April 17, 2015, 03:01:46 PM

Quote from: Marktonk on April 14, 2015, 03:55:07 PMHi Farabomb,

The Suprasetter is designed and manufactured by Heidelberg in Weisloch, Germany. It is a complete family from a 20" CtP up to a 73" CtP. There are thousands of Suprasetters installed and we do occasionally offer used ones as well as I see dealers offering used. Please let me know if you have any other questions or if I can help. Thanks.

Best,

Mark

Hey Mark, this is a bit off topic but did you happen to be an instructor for the Tango and Topaz drum scanners & software down in Long Beach back in the late 90's?

Hi gig0,

I do have a scanner background going back to Hell prior to Linotype Hell but was off scanners when the Tango and Topaz were launched.  In the 90's,  I ran the Linotype-Hell Demo Center in Cypress, Ca until they shut it down. I then moved into an Implementation Specialist position where I reviewed production needs and then designed a workflow to go with it. I did that until 2000, then I moved to Heidelberg's headquarters into Product Management for CtP and Proofing. Back to California in 2009 for Sales. Funny, this is the third time I have lived in California.....do not plan on leaving it again:). There is a very good chance that we did meet in the 90's here. Where were you working at then?


Best,

Mark

Hi Farabomb,

The Suprasetter is designed and manufactured by Heidelberg in Weisloch, Germany. It is a complete family from a 20" CtP up to a 73" CtP. There are thousands of Suprasetters installed and we do occasionally offer used ones as well as I see dealers offering used. Please let me know if you have any other questions or if I can help. Thanks.

Best,

Mark

Farabomb,

Look for  a used Supraetter 105 or 106, it was designed to run in adverse environments. It has a very wide operating range of 62.6 to 86. Part of this is attributed to having temperature compensation where the plates are always imaged at the same temperature regardless of the ambiant temperature as long as it is within the operating range. This also insures a plate remake will register as long as the plates were imaged with in the operating range. This, along with the most modern laser design, provide the widest industry operating range. This will not keep you warm but I might be able to send you a Heidelberg jacket.

https://www.heidelberg.com/us/en/products/prepress/computer_to_plate/suprasetter_a106_106__106_uv/suprasetter_a106_106_106_uv.jsp

Good luck!

Mark

Didgicorn,

You crack me up. You used the original Signastation what, over 10 years ago before it was completely rewritten and still bad rap the sw. How was Indesign version 1 or was ID even out back then? I think you probably use ID daily now, Signa has come a long ways since inception back in 1983. Funny, Signa Station was the first imposition station with dynamic marks. Signa was the first with stacked color bars so you did not need to have a template for a 2 color, 4 color,  6 color or 8 color bar, it selects the proper color bar based on the colors in the PDF. Signa was changed to base impo on the fold, making changes simple and not having to restrip from scratch.  Signa was integrated within Prepress Manager so you did not have to jump back out of Prepress Manager to a standalone impo program and keep exporting back. Fully integrated, but then you did not have Prepress Manager software either. But your knowledge is ancient  prior to any of these capabilities yet you continue to bad rap it based on very old software knowledge. Damn, how you doing with Quark Express version 1? And how do you like DOS 3.2 ? If you had seen the changes, you would be blown away but you are living in the past. If you have no clue how much better software can be a 10 versions later, then perhaps you should not comment. What was that Jethro Tull song, oh yea, Living in the Past.