RBA Question - Surface custom field

Started by Statuc, January 13, 2016, 03:01:29 PM

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Mikie

When you only get the separation in the pdf file how are you sending the plate? I was using the separations tab but it still gave me all colors in the pdf. the only way I can think you would only get a single separation would be if you turned them off in the imposition. 

When you use surfaces or imposition in the RBA, it is receiving a list which is why it does them all. I am going under the assumption when you use separations it just sends what was sent to plate. 

Mikie

Oh and Joe having both success and warning in the same RBA is ok. It is one or the other. Think about it like this, either you get a green check mark, or a yellow exclamation point. Two different situations it's little head.

Joe

OK I didn't know if it would fire twice.
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Statuc

Ok I reloaded your RBA.  I changed it to Final Output success and changed to use my Process template for raster pdfs.

I output the cyan plate and get a cyan pdf of that surface. I tried outputting all separations of a surface and I DO get a 4-color pdf of that surface. Yay!

I tried after that to output a magenta plate and I only get a magenta pdf. argggg.

It shouldn't matter that you are doing tiffs and I am doings raster pdfs right?

Statuc

oh, yes I am using the separations tab like your screen capture.

Joe

Quote from: Statuc on January 14, 2016, 02:13:10 PMOk I reloaded your RBA.  I changed it to Final Output success and changed to use my Process template for raster pdfs.

I output the cyan plate and get a cyan pdf of that surface. I tried outputting all separations of a surface and I DO get a 4-color pdf of that surface. Yay!

I tried after that to output a magenta plate and I only get a magenta pdf. argggg.

It shouldn't matter that you are doing tiffs and I am doings raster pdfs right?

Aren't both of those doing the same thing as expected. It only proofs what you made plates of.
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Statuc

I thought it would print the whole surface even you printed one color. Maybe I misunderstood Mikie's previous post.

Quote from: Mikie on January 14, 2016, 11:07:13 AMYeah on mine it only outputs a pdf of the surface you send to plate. Even if you just output one separation from it. 

RBA attached

Statuc

So I guess if this is how its suppose to work then it wouldn't work when we have to resend a plate for press because pressmen broke or crushed the plate ect.  because it would redo the press proof as a single color and overwrite the good 4color one. I would have to regenerate the whole surface each time.

So if we can make it to trigger off of something else like a check box and still do the just the surface that would be better.

Mikie

Hmmm, on my system I do get all colors on the pdf even sending a single separation. Let me change my pdf to be raster and see if that is the difference, I am doing a vector pdf for my proof

Mikie

yep, it's the raster making yours the cyan sep only. When I change mine to be a raster pdf I only get the one sep

Mikie

 ah ha! I don't know if this would mess anything up at the press(wouldn't think so) but if you change to these settings in your process plan that creates the pdf, under color match, you get all separations. I also had to remove any profile listed beside *Device Condition or it would error.

I am pretty sure it is just having Match Colors in Page Content checked that makes it do all seps in the pdf.

Statuc

Quote from: Mikie on January 14, 2016, 03:05:08 PMah ha! I don't know if this would mess anything up at the press(wouldn't think so) but if you change to these settings in your process plan that creates the pdf, under color match, you get all separations. I also had to remove any profile listed beside *Device Condition or it would error.

I am pretty sure it is just having Match Colors in Page Content checked that makes it do all seps in the pdf.

This must be in your vector output too because mine gives me single color vector pdfs as well.

I'll match your screen shot on the pdf proof on my next test. Thanks.

Statuc

Ok got mine working now too.

Had to change one thing from your screenshot to get it to work.

Under match colors, I had to change "Assumed Source or DeviceLink Profile" to "As defined Below, If not set in Refining" and then make sure the path linked to the actuall ICC Profile otherwise it would error out with a ColorMatch error.

But it does give me a 4color surface pdf when outputting any separation now. yay!

I wonder if this was the issue all along. Maybe I can surface custom field working now. Will have to try that tomorrow.

Thanks for all the help Mikie and Joe! You're awesome!

Mikie

Most welcome, glad it worked. This is the only way to learn rba, with new projects and thank you for posting the question because I learned a couple of things.

The only question I have left is what does the custom field do for you? Purely a curiosity on my part because I don't know your workflow. From what you have posted it seems making this a global rule solves any need to set a custom field. Send a plate, get a press proof.

If there are other reasons for this need for the field to be a deciding factor post away, we like this sort of thing here :)

Joe

Quote from: Statuc on January 14, 2016, 04:10:48 PMOk got mine working now too.

Had to change one thing from your screenshot to get it to work.

Under match colors, I had to change "Assumed Source or DeviceLink Profile" to "As defined Below, If not set in Refining" and then make sure the path linked to the actuall ICC Profile otherwise it would error out with a ColorMatch error.

But it does give me a 4color surface pdf when outputting any separation now. yay!

I wonder if this was the issue all along. Maybe I can surface custom field working now. Will have to try that tomorrow.

Thanks for all the help Mikie and Joe! You're awesome!

I have it working here with a custom field. Just check the box for whichever surface you want the proof for and it will only send that surface. (I added the custom field part to your existing rule so this rule has all 3 parts)

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