Quote from: Joe on January 13, 2016, 02:28:06 PMIn the Import Process Template as shown below? We've never noticed an issue using creep scale method with the centering set in the process template.

Yes, that's the one. If I leave it centered, then when I do a VPS on a scale creep job I can tell that it's only creeping one side of a spread and you can tell by looking at the page box overlays that something looks amiss around the spine area. Change pages to Use Offsets and it all looks good.

Corn, f*** those people! I understand not posting specifics about a customer or the content of a job, but to not try to solve an issue on your own sounds like they just want drones working for them. Might be worth creating a new user, so even when you post from your phone or off hours they can't track it to you now that they know your handle!

I'll double check that tonight just to make sure ours is OK. We use it and haven't gotten any complaints. We're on Preps 7.1.5 if that might make a difference.

Just a hunch, but I don't think the Preps version has anything to do with it. Saw the same behavior exhibited in Preps 5. I think it's a Prinergy thing.

Another interesting component to this - when making the VPS, I'll get the yellow exclamation mark telling me the page size doesn't match the impo when using scale creep w/centered, but when I change to Use Offsets it's green light all the way and no warning.

To illustrate the issue, I made a test job. Each page in the job has a keyline stroke along the trim to make it easy to see if it's right or wrong. I applied a heavy .25" scaled creep, also to make it easy to see.

The 2 screenshots show the results - only difference was one uses Centered, and one uses Offsets.

When I import Preps JDF Templates into XMF, there is a button that says "allow page adjustment". If this is unchecked, the pages will shift off center, like your example.

OR.... it is a bug with Preps Creep. I have mentioned this in a thread here, probably 5 years ago, but 4 out of 5 times I apply creep to a preps template, and export to JDF, it throws all pages off. Sometimes it does it, sometimes not, and I can't determine what makes it do this.

I'm not using JDF currently, but at my last job I used it and, being a book printer, I used creep almost every day and never once had it mess up (feeding the JDF to a Nexus workflow).

Well, JDF or not, I had Preps do that exact thing to me, when using creep. I would end up setting a template up, saving it, quitting Preps then opening the saved job and printing it, opening as few dialog boxes as I could get away with, prior to printing the template.

I use XMF impo now, so I haven't seen this problem in a while. I wonder if my Preps v6 is worth anything?

Damn you Curry!

Now we have a problem where I didn't know I had a problem. We've been lucky in that the customer hasn't noticed it I guess.

Luckily for me my jobs never require creep but my co-workers have been screwing up all over the place!

Hey Dan, if you have Prinergy to center the pages in the process template and the PDF actually has the correct trims, unusual but it does happen every now and then, does the scale creep still get screwed up?

Not sure I understand the question? My PDF always has the correct trims.

Scale Creep + Prinergy Centering Pages = Screwed Up every time.

Quote from: Joe on January 14, 2016, 02:03:07 PMNow we have a problem where I didn't know I had a problem.

Is it wrong that this pleases me? I do enjoy me some good schadenfreude!

Quote from: DCurry on January 14, 2016, 02:31:44 PMNot sure I understand the question? My PDF always has the correct trims.

Scale Creep + Prinergy Centering Pages = Screwed Up every time.

Well we only have it to set to center pages because we never get pages with the proper trim. I wasn't aware you worked at Shangri La printing and your pages are always correct. :tongue:

Quote from: DCurry on January 14, 2016, 02:33:50 PM

Quote from: Joe on January 14, 2016, 02:03:07 PMNow we have a problem where I didn't know I had a problem.

Is it wrong that this pleases me? I do enjoy me some good schadenfreude!

No. I often take joy from other peoples pain. I also did not win the  lottery last night so enjoy!

Oh, I receive all sorts of crap, but I usually try to get it squared away before I feed it to Prinergy, especially if it is a book big enough to require creep.

I do work at a pretty good place, though. Lots of interesting projects and laid-back management.

We won $8 in the Powerball.