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Title: General Photoshop Questions: 8 vs 16 bit img, Color correction tool?
Post by: baker7 on December 16, 2015, 01:47:29 PM
Hey guys, do any of you use 8 bit or 16 bit images for plate making?  We make 27" x 39" image plates and I noticed all the files we get are 8 bits.  But the clients are so damn anal about their images and colors.  I don't know if 8 bit jpg is industry standard for apparel sublimation, but why don't they send us 16 bit images?  Would the file size be too large to work with?

Also for making color adjustments which tools do you guys use most?  I've been using Channel Mixer and have been consistently going over the 100% warning when making color corrections.  I just realized I shouldn't be doing this and I think this explains why some of the images that need massive color correction comes out very different on the plate, which then need further adjustment and new plates made.  Most of the color corrections can't be solved with curves cuz it's the individual colors and shades that are off in opposing directions as opposed to a simple shift in color or tone.

Best way I can come up with is separating the images of certain colors in layers and adjusting it that way.. using Channel Mixer.  I find that not going over the 100% warning is too difficult because I have to fiddle around and subtract the other channels (ex. MYK) to keep it at 100% while trying to adjust and match the target color (ex. C).  What would be a better or rather best way to do this?  Color Balance tool?  I tried Selective Color tool but it seems to encroach on colors that I don't want changed when adjusting a specific color, and it's doesn't seem too precise when I'm aiming to change one specific color or shade.  What can I use to just raise or lower a yellow spot by 2 percentage points for example without affecting anything else? 
Title: Re: General Photoshop Questions: 8 vs 16 bit img, Color correction tool?
Post by: Joe on December 16, 2015, 02:02:49 PM
I know the option is there in photoshop to use 16 bit but I've never had the need for it.

The Benefits Of Working With 16-Bit Images In Photoshop (http://www.photoshopessentials.com/essentials/16-bit/)

8-BIT VS 16-BIT – WHAT COLOR DEPTH YOU SHOULD USE AND WHY IT MATTERS (http://www.diyphotography.net/8-bit-vs-16-bit-color-depth-use-matters/)
Title: Re: General Photoshop Questions: 8 vs 16 bit img, Color correction tool?
Post by: David on December 16, 2015, 05:12:21 PM
our workflow won't take a 16 bit image...  but hey, we're special. 
Title: Re: General Photoshop Questions: 8 vs 16 bit img, Color correction tool?
Post by: Ear on December 16, 2015, 05:30:15 PM
Neither will mine. Does that mean I can be special too? :banana:
Title: Re: General Photoshop Questions: 8 vs 16 bit img, Color correction tool?
Post by: Joe on December 16, 2015, 06:05:46 PM
Adobe gives the creatives the tools to make it look like a million dollars and then it hits a high priced RIP at the printer, that btw is based on the ADOBE PDF Print Engine, that won't process it. Another fantastic job Adobe!
Title: Re: General Photoshop Questions: 8 vs 16 bit img, Color correction tool?
Post by: DCurry on December 16, 2015, 07:31:21 PM
For color correcting, I use Curves most of the time. To target specific colors I might use Selective Color. Sometimes you just have to make a selection, kinda like you're already doing by putting different elements on their own layers.

If you use Adjustment Layers, you can mask out the areas you don't want affected. For instance, if you only want to affect a certain area, add an adjustment layer of your choice (curves, for example) and do what needs to be done to get that color right while ignoring what is happening to the rest of your image. By default, an adjustment layer will have a mask attached to it. That mask will be white. Click on the mask in the layers palette, then invert it so now the mask is black - this will effectively hide the correction you made. Then use the paintbrush, set your foreground color to white and begin to brush over the area you want affected and your correction will appear in those areas as you brush it. In this way you can avoid making time-consuming selections and if you lower the opacity of the brush you can "sneak up on" your desired color gradually and keep smooth transitions, rather than harsh selections.

There still may be times when you need more specific selections, but you can still combine that technique with this. You can also keep adding adjustment layers and duplicate their masks to other adjustment layers (or group them and apply a mask to the group.)
Title: Re: General Photoshop Questions: 8 vs 16 bit img, Color correction tool?
Post by: Farabomb on December 17, 2015, 07:19:57 AM
 :goodpost:

DCurry may not be up on film and TV characters but he can drop some knowledge about PS.

Great info up there.
Title: Re: General Photoshop Questions: 8 vs 16 bit img, Color correction tool?
Post by: Joe on December 17, 2015, 08:58:06 AM
Yes it is great info. I only wish I had a job where I could use it. It's pretty much 'slam, bam, thank you ma'am' around these parts anymore. I miss the days of correcting those full page and double truck ads in Cosmo where a screw up was a $40,000 uhoh.
Title: Re: General Photoshop Questions: 8 vs 16 bit img, Color correction tool?
Post by: Farabomb on December 17, 2015, 10:03:10 AM
Agreed. The art of printing is gone.  :undecided:
Title: Re: General Photoshop Questions: 8 vs 16 bit img, Color correction tool?
Post by: DCurry on December 17, 2015, 02:00:46 PM
I don't do a lot of correction anymore, but I get one job 3 times a year for a clothing company and we change the color builds on all the clothes to match approved swatch builds. It's a PITA, but I use almost every trick I know by the time it's done.
Title: Re: General Photoshop Questions: 8 vs 16 bit img, Color correction tool?
Post by: Ear on December 17, 2015, 02:15:50 PM
Right there with ya, Dan... I was learned in the ways of Curves, back in the early PS days. It is the best of the color correction tools. Also on board with selective color, then a final curve tweak. I'll do a round of RGB curves before converting to CMYK.
Title: Re: General Photoshop Questions: 8 vs 16 bit img, Color correction tool?
Post by: baker7 on December 18, 2015, 10:37:24 AM
Thanks guys for all the helpful response, especially DCurry! Finally some words of wisdom that's going to totally help me out.  You guys are so lucky you don't have to do intensive color correction for every single job!
Title: Re: General Photoshop Questions: 8 vs 16 bit img, Color correction tool?
Post by: Farabomb on December 18, 2015, 11:34:03 AM
I'd take come color correction instead of shit in, shit out.  :undecided:
Title: Re: General Photoshop Questions: 8 vs 16 bit img, Color correction tool?
Post by: DCurry on December 18, 2015, 12:59:22 PM
Quote from: Farabomb on December 18, 2015, 11:34:03 AMI'd take come color correction...

That sounds gross.
Title: Re: General Photoshop Questions: 8 vs 16 bit img, Color correction tool?
Post by: Ear on December 18, 2015, 01:21:16 PM
 :lmao:
Title: Re: General Photoshop Questions: 8 vs 16 bit img, Color correction tool?
Post by: Farabomb on December 18, 2015, 01:50:38 PM
This is what happens then I'm busy and trying to post.   ::)