Creep question

frailer · November 25, 2013, 05:36:23 PM

here's a copy of the email I just sent to Wayne-baby, our relevat tech. Anyone else have any thoughts? It should work, but looks like it's pushing out some on the outer sections, and pushing in some on the innermost. Is XMF really that clever? I'd have thought not, without actually telling it.

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Doing an A5 job. 4.5 mm overall creep. Gives a -0.28 XMF creep value,

Are using 'Creep face ony' for text pages; Remove Creep for 4 cover pages.

Normally, it would shrink pages progressively through to the centre, but in this case it seems to be pushing the first sections out to around 151mm, and slightly shrinking the centre spread to 147(ish). is this possible? That it could be doing this?

Cheers

frailer · November 25, 2013, 06:50:07 PM

:embarrassed: Just checked back on some regular uncoated stock A5 jobs; pages measuring in this way but never really noticed. :laugh: let sleeping dogs lie. :undecided:

Diddler · November 25, 2013, 07:22:41 PM

Who said you can't teach an old dog new tricks

frailer · November 25, 2013, 07:27:52 PM

Touché

frailer · November 27, 2013, 05:04:49 PM

Seems there is a minor bug, of sorts. I had the idea that we should remove creep from cover pages. Routinely, we leave all text pages as 'Override Creep>'Creep Face Only'. We are told now that if you leave ALL pages this way, it still won't scale the cover in, but all text pages will be. Having said that, you should still be able to set 'Override Creep' for the cover and still get the same result; so they are flagging it as a bug, nevertheless.
If anyone has time, would you mind testing this for me? The main thing I'm looking for is whether it pushes (scales) some of the text out, thereby increasing the overall page widthe, slightly.

Diddler · November 27, 2013, 05:19:24 PM

Quote from: frailer on November 27, 2013, 05:04:49 PMSeems there is a minor bug, of sorts. I had the idea that we should remove creep from cover pages. Routinely, we leave all text pages as 'Override Creep>'Creep Face Only'. We are told now that if you leave ALL pages this way, it still won't scale the cover in, but all text pages will be. Having said that, you should still be able to set 'Override Creep' for the cover and still get the same result; so they are flagging it as a bug, nevertheless.
If anyone has time, would you mind testing this for me? The main thing I'm looking for is whether it pushes (scales) some of the text out, thereby increasing the overall page widthe, slightly.

I'll run some tests later in the day and get back to you with my findings. What version of XMF are you running?

frailer · November 27, 2013, 06:07:13 PM

5.1.1.2 ... by the looks. :undecided: You XMF'in' again somewhere, mate?

Diddler · November 27, 2013, 06:58:02 PM

Yeah with a new company printing across 3 states. NSW, VIC, QLD. Although I'm still based in QLD for a while, there thinking of moving me to Sydney but I don't know if I can handle the cold weather and water.

and the beer. :laugh:

frailer · November 27, 2013, 07:04:34 PM

Point taken. :undecided:

frailer · December 09, 2013, 05:04:15 PM

The washup on this is that by using a Pattern impo., it worked as expected/desired... Creep in by 'squishing' the page laterally; resulting in a 148 mm book width. The cover impo was a Stripping Sheet template, but this didn't seem to upset the applecart.

SpicyVindaloo · January 23, 2014, 11:02:52 AM

Does XMF scale the pages for creep or just move them in to the spine? Moving them in isn't so great for crossovers.

Joe · January 23, 2014, 11:06:45 AM

Either way. Your choice.

frailer · January 23, 2014, 01:39:57 PM

Quote from: SpicyVindaloo on January 23, 2014, 11:02:52 AMDoes XMF scale the pages for creep or just move them in to the spine? Moving them in isn't so great for crossovers.

If you specifically choose "Override Creep'---> 'Creep Face Only', on selected pages from the Reading Order, you get a scale-in. It's imperceptible when bound, but you can check your Creep measurements on proof.
On the 4 cover pages I do an 'Override Creep' --> 'Remove Creep'.
I think PREPS can achieve that as well. It's all I ever use now.

Farabomb · January 23, 2014, 01:46:42 PM

Preps has a scale option in the creep settings. Works quite well. I had a lineart cutaway of a racecar that was in a 114 pg saddle stitched book and it lined up perfectly.

frailer · January 23, 2014, 04:32:53 PM

Yeah, even though it may be outa scale by 1~2%, if they don't know, they never notice. But they sure do it they don't line up.

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