Long-term customer. Used to print their stuff on coated stock...A4. Now on uncoated...A5. Been suggested to me that I should maybe 'lighten' any suss pics that might bog in on the uncoated stock.
The values on the mid/light skin tones are: 22/60/80/17. On the background; 68/60/58/86. (Ignore values in screenshot). There may be some shots that pass muster, but quite a few will. Feeling like a crapshoot, to guess in advance, and to borrow a phrase from Joe.
I've copied job and Links, and quarantined original.
My question...what would be a reasonable, low risk tweak that I could do. I don't mind using some sort of default/auto-lighten on selected pics. Up to now we don't print a lot on uncoated, but this could be a changing thing. We don't (yet) have an uncoated proofing profile for Black Magic/Epson.

Currently going through and doing Adjustment Layer curve tweaks, but not overdoing it.    :undecided:

The easiest thing would be to apply an output curve when outputting from XMF. I'm sure XMF has a utility for creating press curves. That way you leave all files the same for coated or uncoated and only apply the uncoated curve when you need to. If it changes to coated you just output it through a coated curve.

Is that first dump some Aussie pron?

I was going to suggest an adjustment layer as the top layer, but you got it.

Quote from: Joe on March 21, 2011, 08:52:39 PMThe easiest thing would be to apply an output curve when outputting from XMF. I'm sure XMF has a utility for creating press curves. That way you leave all files the same for coated or uncoated and only apply the uncoated curve when you need to. If it changes to coated you just output it through a coated curve.

Yep, just discussed that with XMF/Black Magic guy, who happened to phone for a chat, as he was passing nearby. We shall look into it.
I think we are classified as a low maintenance site, so he kept driving.    :laugh:

Quote from: gnubler on March 21, 2011, 08:53:43 PMIs that first dump some Aussie pron?

I was going to suggest an adjustment layer as the top layer, but you got it.

 Um no, not really. Just don't ask, please...
 
 Adjustment Layers. Amazing how some online training comes back sometimes. I put it down to Jan Kabili's voice, speaking of soft pron.   :kiss:

Easier solution may to just decrease the line screen - less ink on the paper. You are electronically doing the same thing so it may be worth a try.

You could do what my customer did yesterday... apply 100% overlay transparency to every element on their job. It's a white piece of paper. Looks great! 

You're so anti-graphic desinger. 

Quote from: Chilbear on March 22, 2011, 06:24:28 AMEasier solution may to just decrease the line screen - less ink on the paper. You are electronically doing the same thing so it may be worth a try.

I think I'll stick with this method, chil. I can pick and preview, to a degree.

Slight spanner in works...here's a pic from a replacement PDF page sent to me. It was one I'd previously tinkered with, when using the Native files. So wary about why she's sent it/what she's done. (no obvious type changes, and a simple page...type+pic).
So, thought I'd crack open in PhSh and maybe lighten it, without creating any Layers, so I could save it back into the PDF. When cracked open in PhSh, and Curves pallette is open, there's a curve applied, it seems. When pallette is closed, snaps back to the lighter version. Why does that occur when the pallette is opened? Should that be happening?
Backing slowly away from it. My 2nd instinct would be to drag the curve the other way...to lighten it more, but hands off it at this stage.   :undecided:
There's time on this, which is good.

You work on some hot shit, frailer. Color me green. Sure beats my church newsletters and DCS's dog food boxes.

Quote from: frailer on March 22, 2011, 10:46:38 PM

Quote from: Chilbear on March 22, 2011, 06:24:28 AMEasier solution may to just decrease the line screen - less ink on the paper. You are electronically doing the same thing so it may be worth a try.

I think I'll stick with this method, chil. I can pick and preview, to a degree.

Slight spanner in works...here's a pic from a replacement PDF page sent to me. It was one I'd previously tinkered with, when using the Native files. So wary about why she's sent it/what she's done. (no obvious type changes, and a simple page...type+pic).
So, thought I'd crack open in PhSh and maybe lighten it, without creating any Layers, so I could save it back into the PDF. When cracked open in PhSh, and Curves pallette is open, there's a curve applied, it seems. When pallette is closed, snaps back to the lighter version. Why does that occur when the pallette is opened? Should that be happening?
Backing slowly away from it. My 2nd instinct would be to drag the curve the other way...to lighten it more, but hands off it at this stage.   :undecided:
There's time on this, which is good.

If by chance you open the curves pallet with the option key held down it will apply the last curve used. Could that be what is happening?

The problem I see is that if you would ever have to go back and pick up the job to run on a coated stock the images would probably be too light. You are better off leaving the images alone and using a press curve. Decreasing the line screen would be putting less ink on paper but it would be changing the line screen. I know our customers wouldn't like seeing a coarser screen than they are used to.

Shall investigate that. My experience on tinkering is lacking, but shall 'phone someone'.

Does your Epson have a lighten or darken setting within your controller? I don't know about Epsons, I know the Xeroxes do.

Quote from: Possum on March 23, 2011, 11:35:03 AMDoes your Epson have a lighten or darken setting within your controller? I don't know about Epsons, I know the Xeroxes do.

Black Magic runs our Epson. If I do a Curve tweak in XMF, it'll just print lighter in the absence of press linearisation at this stage. Which is OK, as long as everyone's aware in advance. I think we'll need an uncoated setup done soon...   :undecided: