Tequila might fix it?
...it's worth a shot.

Quote from: Joe on December 07, 2022, 10:20:11 AMI just reported you to Adobe. How dare you keep your Pantone colors! jk

Can't wait for the Adobe Police to come around ... better known as "the Boys in PMS289" or "the thin PMS289 line"!

What if it is the Pantone Police that comes?

This panettone will never let you down

"No-justice no-peace! No-pantone Police!"



I guess it's an internet jurisdiction stand-off then ... I wonder whether the PMS and Pantone police would be anorexic or obese?

Non-binary?

May require a hex. Or a decimal.

In other countries I've seen them use a comma instead of a decimal.

Quote from: Tracy on December 07, 2022, 10:02:12 AMHas anyone lost their Pantone's?
I have not lost mine, keep this on the down low tho! 

Yup, today I hit the first Wall. 3c Pocket folder we've run before, came over from our Sister Shop. The PDF (exported from Illy) showed as 4c so I opened the AI in Illy 2023 (and also 2022) got the warning about spot colors and sure enough, it converted them to 4c throughout. The Spots were in the Swatch list, but once I turned on Seps Preview - POOF! Gone.

For kicks I made "fake" Spots called like xxx-PMS 383C, xxx-PMS-431C etc. and they hold to the PDF stage, I imagine they'd RIP too, but that's NO solution. Not with potentially hundreds or thousands of previous job files in our servers.

I'll likely do the .ASE import from a previous version for now (thanks Lammy!!) and I've already told the Owner we'll have to pony up for the Pantone Extortion Plan soon. I just don't know how easy it will be to implement their bullshit plug-in. We have less than 10 users, so at least it won't be too pricy. It's more the hassle and kick in the teeth.

The simple answer is to break the long-standing practice/reliance on using colour book files altogether, and use device-independent Lab Color Picker values to define the spot colour!

More at my blog:

https://prepression.blogspot.com/2022/12/photoshop-2022-pantone-color-book.html

P.S. I am working on a Photoshop script to help automate this task in Photoshop, however, you need to create a spreadsheet file of the spot colour names and their Lab values.

Long time listener, first time poster (in this thread, anyways). Question: I've been away from the game, but curious - do legacy files import in to CC 2022/2023 with Pantone spot designations? Are you able to create a new personal library, but call out each spot with the same Pantone name (and essentially build the library with each color as you go along)? How does EFI/Fiery XF handle the change?

Quote from: DigiCorn on January 02, 2023, 06:32:10 PMLong time listener, first time poster (in this thread, anyways). Question: I've been away from the game, but curious - do legacy files import in to CC 2022/2023 with Pantone spot designations? Are you able to create a new personal library, but call out each spot with the same Pantone name (and essentially build the library with each color as you go along)? How does EFI/Fiery XF handle the change?

Photoshop updates released in August, September, and October 2022 rendered spot channels referencing unavailable Pantone Color Book files as black.

In the November 2022 update, Adobe changed how legacy spot channels that were referencing unavailable Pantone Color Book files were opened. The legacy colour preview of the existing spot colour is now honoured, despite the referenced .acb file no longer being installed/available.

Photoshop files that are opened in InDesign or Illustrator which use unavailable spot channels will render Gray/Black if colours from the parent colour books are no longer installed.

Changing the spot colour definition to use colour picker Lab colour values (or RGB or CMYK) breaks the "link" to the parent colour book. One can still use the same name it is just the composite preview colour which I am suggesting is redefined away from a colour book.

You can create your own colour swatches, colour books were never easily accessible and Adobe tried to encourage users to avoid creating them for personal use as they were "reserved" for the various ink companies.

I can't comment on EFI, however, generally, all proofing RIPs use a colour lookup table, where the spot colour name in the incoming file is replaced with the better colour build for the proofing queue's paper, ink etc. There should be no change for inkjet proofing or digital presses unless they don't have a lookup. Previously they would use the alternative colour values defined in the spot colour if there was no lookup table entry, the only issue is that now the alternative colour is black/gray.

Again, defining the spot colour values as Lab values would appear to be the best alternative... But what Lab values to use?

We got Pantone connect where I work and OMG is the window huge, takes up way too much space .

Just working at my pp job, do da do, why should i be concerned about this. I am sure i should. I could retire in 2 years 6 months. Will i escape the wrath of the Pantone debacle? Or the type 1 fonts debacle for that matter?

Those notions of suit-up-and-show-up to run out the clock don't work for me I'm afraid. I reckon I have around 10 years to go.