Preps 7: vignettes not imposing properly

[Joe]

We're using Preps 8. Looks and acts just like 7. And 6.

[DPSprint]

LOL... so lots more bang for your buck then?

[Farabomb]

Someone's getting banged but I'm certain it's not Kodak.

[Joe]

Well we have Prinergy 8 and Preps 8 comes with it.

[DPSprint]

no prinergy here, just standalone preps 7

[Joe]

Refresh my memory...how are these vignettes being created?

[DPSprint]

They were supplied Pdfs, so at a guess Indesign... but i dont think that was the issue as when the pdf was imposed in indesign the vignette was perfect, seemed to just be a preps issue. And they never did answer any request I sent.

Its just something i have to be aware of when visually checking the imposed files... yet one more thing.

oddly enough i had to send another request to them as I cant change my email on the kodak partner place site (albeit another department so maybe that is why they actually replied), and they got back to me today! OMG I almost fell out of my seat when i saw the email...

[DigiCorn]

The problem lies in imposing a native pdf that has not ben rasterized first.

[Joe]

The problem lies in imposing a native pdf that has not ben rasterized first.

Ummm...what? Why would you ever want to rasterize a PDF?

[DPSprint]

yeah that is my last resort but usually preps is not the issue, more like the RIP the file is going to.
This was an oddity, although it has happened a couple of times. Flattening the file fixes it but only if you know it is going to happen before hand.

[DigiCorn]

The problem lies in imposing a native pdf that has not ben rasterized first.

Ummm...what? Why would you ever want to rasterize a PDF?

Well, put it through a RIP, or flatten it. I know Prinergy keeps it vector until the platemaking stage. Sometimes rasterizing is the only way to solve the problem as a workaround for other devices or equipment that can't handle certain items within the pdf.

[Farabomb]

With today's modern workflows (even my old ass version of prinergy) you want to flatten as a last resort. It can work just fine at times and it can also cause issues. I do try and fix things the "right" way and find out why it happened but the boss tends to not care as long as it prints and the customer doesn't mind.

Okay, back when we actually did some printing.

[Joe]

The problem lies in imposing a native pdf that has not ben rasterized first.

Ummm...what? Why would you ever want to rasterize a PDF?

Well, put it through a RIP, or flatten it. I know Prinergy keeps it vector until the platemaking stage. Sometimes rasterizing is the only way to solve the problem as a workaround for other devices or equipment that can't handle certain items within the pdf.

Oh OK. As a very last resort maybe but this problem is happening before it ever gets to a RIP. It is happening only when she puts it through Preps 7 which makes me thinks the designer is doing something funky with the way it is being created.

And there are much better ways to flatten something instead of rasterizing it.

[DPSprint]

OMG... how ironic... just got another one!
And funny enough this one i have the original indesign files for, which is good as their pdf file is playing up so I have remade it with my settings... and the vignette thing is happening.
One thing i can see now is that it only appears to affect text with a multicoloured gradient fill, not shapes like boxes., as its not affecting them in this new file.

Its an oddity cos I cant see anything wrong with the fill, the font is avenir black, it is a truetype font but I dont know if that would be an issue.
At least I know that ps the file will fix it now... just frustrating it happens in preps and probably a fluke that I happened to be reading this thread again and noticed it in the imposed file.

[David]

just curious...  is the vignette in question rotated perhaps?

I know preps has had issues in the past (distant past, haven't used it in a year) with rotated items not "holding".