B4Print.com

Okay, I have been reading a lot on this forum over the last month, and it sounds pretty sure that our careers could be in jeopardy if we don't start adapting to other offshoots of our proud profession.

I have seen many good and capable oldtime strippers and craftsman lose their jobs because they didn't want anything to do with computers. I don't want to end up like these guys.

It seems to me, again through reading threads on this forum and the newspaper, that many of you are to me correct in the assumption that if you don't get into web-based apps, you might find yourself the first on the chopping block, and then find it difficult to find another job after that.

My question to all you dual print/web guys... I know many of you are very capable Prepress Guys/Gals, that is why I trust your judgment as kin in vocation. If a guy were to get into web-based apps, what would be the best way to start, and what apps are going to be worth it to learn? I know enough to be familiar, but not enough to be confident in asking a designer for advice. What should I steer clear of?

It depends on what you want to do. Most design places are looking for people that can use the typical prepress applications like Quark, InDesign, Photoshop, and Illustrator to do ads for print but they also want people who can do the ads for the web using an application Adobe Flash.

If you want to learn web site design and develop full blown web sites you would probably want to start with something like Adobe Dreamweaver. The Adobe apps are, as I'm sure you are aware, not cheap. There are a lot of other applications that are open source that you can download for free like WordPress, Mambo, Joomla, Ruby on Rails, Drupal and many others. You'll need to be able to deal with SQL databases, web server software like Apache and IIS and learn some form of PHP, Perl, Ruby, CSS, and/or HTML.

Personally, I'm not much of an ad designer so I'm trying to teach myself the backend stuff. I've got an old PC I wasn't using and I've installed Ubuntu Server on it and have set up an Apache web server with mySQL and PHP. I can test any of the opensource software out on it without having to worry about screwing something up. It's pretty handy. If I do screw something up it isn't a big deal to wipe it out and start over.

Quote from: Joe  on March 05, 2008, 11:25:52 PMI've got an old PC I wasn't using and I've installed Ubuntu Server on it and have set up an Apache web server with mySQL and PHP. I can test any of the opensource software out on it without having to worry about screwing something up. It's pretty handy. If I do screw something up it isn't a big deal to wipe it out and start over.

did the same at my house, and quickly realized I was in way over my head(with the Ubuntu Server), but Im learning more and more every day. 

I think the programs mentioned by Joe are pretty much the standard.

A few of the "designer" packages of CS3 come with DW and FL..   there's ALOT to the web..   but to answer your question, I can only imagine having knowledge of both print and web to be advantageous..  just careful of the eggs all in one basket thing.

Fortunately, I have most of the software you guys recommend. Some of the Open Source stuff I can get from the net, or my IT friend. I want to be well rounded, but I don't want to squeeze too much at first. I suppose I should start with one, and as I start figuring things out switch to another. Okay, just for giggles, should I start with DW or FL? I am interested in Flash, because I am huge animation fan, however I also want to learn in the right order.

Now Joe, you talk of learning program language, HTML, etc... are they all about the same with minor differences, or are they completely different?

I did just what you're talking about, except I started about four years ago. I figured there is no harm in expanding my skill set to also include web design & development. Let me just say that it's a huge learning curve, I still struggle with it every effin' day - but there are infinite resources online to help you.

#1 is to learn XHTML and CSS - those are the foundations of any webpage. From there you can branch out into specialty areas - for example, I've become quite fond of CMS-type of websites like WordPress and Joomla which allow almost any monkey (meaning your client) to update the site without knowledge of coding.

Dreamweaver is nice for the color coding and closing tags - that's about all I use it for. Be careful, it can create some real crap if you don't know what you're doing. Do not lay out pages with tables - it's the equivalent of using Excel to create a brochure. Bad.

If you're into animation graphics, jump into Flash. I avoid it like the plague myself, but it does have its uses.

There are so many resources online, I'll just drop the bomb once with the Web Developer's Field Guide (http://webdevelopersfieldguide.com/#freesearchsubmission).

Have fun.

Thanks Gnub, Joe and Ninja... Very inciteful. I hope you all don't mind if I hit you up on some questions after I get into it. I may not need to, I pick up on stuff pretty quick, but there might be a few.

Flash is mainly GUI design until you are ready to add the animation. Then you will need to learn ActionScript 3.0 which is a programming language. The syntax is different among different programming languages. Just remember that Flash is used to make objects up that go on the web pages while DreamWeaver can create the whole page (or whole site).

HTML is not a big thing in that the higher end sites mainly use php and css and then the HTML is created dynamically at runtime. If you want to learn web site development I'd start with DreamWeaver. Adobes help system is extensive compared to some of the open source stuff. You can create entire web sites with it using any or all of HTML, CSS, Javascript, ActionScript, XML and you can use programming based upon ASP Javascript, ASP VBScript, ASP.NET C#, ASP.NET VB, ColdFusion, JSP, PHP. Just remember the ASP stuff and I think ColdFusion has to be on a Windows server. It also might need to be running on a IIS web server but I'm not sure on that. I prefer (and recommend) PHP to start with. You can use it whether you have a Linux, Mac, or Windows web server.

And I'd definitely recommend getting a spare PC to setup as your test web server. The one I'm using is underpowered to be running any of todays GUI OS's. It's a 400 mHz Celeron with 512 mb RAM with a 40 mb hard drive. Ubuntu Server (no GUI) runs great on it. Now I would not want to try to power a full blown web site on it that has a lot of traffic but it works great for testing and experimenting. If you wanted to set up a MAC or Windows server you are going to need a lot more beefier machine as it's going to need to power the GUI besides the web software. The nice thing about the Ubuntu Server is the command line OS does not require much horsepower but I can administer it remotely from my Mac or PC using a GUI interface in the browser using a program called Webmin. A user from this site, ZOX, turned me on to it. It has made my Linux life a great deal easier. It also includes a browser based file manager which makes moving around the Linux directory hierarchy much better.

How are the tutorials that comes with Premium CS3 with DreamWeaver and Flash, worth getting into or should I just do what I always do and tinker till I get it figured out?

Joe, I have marked this page, so later on when all the shit you just said will make sense to me. I think I get the just of it, now, I just have to get through all these annual reports and I am gold.

I don't usually do tutorials as I just usually jump in the pool and then look for the alligators.

But I did some of the Flash tutorials. It was very basic stuff and I was quite bored with it. I don't think it's my cup of tea.

I'm like gnubler too when it comes to DreamWeaver. I use it to modify PHP files. The color coding and line numbering is nice. You'll appreciate the line numbering. When you get an error (and you will), php gives you the name of the file and what line number the error is on. Using DreamWeaver you can scroll right to the line in question. Using something like TextEdit you will have to manually count the lines. PIA.

Myself (and Jezza) used WordPress to create the front end for this site. B4Print (https://www.b4print.com/)

I'm using Joomla to create a site for work. Customer file submission as well as a press schedule so everyone can view what is going on no matter where on the planet they happen to be.

DCS, I have an old PC(not sure on specs) just sitting in my attic..    If you want to pay shipping or drive down to Denton, you can have it..   

let me know if youre interested, and I'll pull it out and get what specs are to see if it would even work for you with Ubuntu.

you would need a monitor, I believe, Its been so long I dont remember exactly what all's up there.  Kym's grandma passed away about 1.5yr ago, and it was just given to me. 

If you want tutorials Adobe has a site full of them.
http://www.adobe.com/designcenter/tutorials/

Also, if you don't want to set up a box as an actual server, there are free apps that emulate servers on your local drive.

Windows has WampServer (http://www.wampserver.com/en/), Mac has MAMP (http://www.mamp.info/en/index.php).

If you are doing any development involving PHP and databases, you will need this to test pages on your local drive (nice to be able to work offline if internet isn't available).

Man, you all have been very accomodating! I have everything I need, so don't sweat the PC Ninja, but thank you very, very much. I have a lot to digest, so again thank you all very much. This thread has been extremely helpful.

Don't forget about this:

(http://www.i-marco.nl/weblog/images/breakdown.png)

Quote from: gnubler on April 28, 2009, 02:44:13 PMDon't forget about this:

(http://www.i-marco.nl/weblog/images/breakdown.png)

This is outdated(2006), I think the newer version has higher swearing numbers... :tongue:

WOW
You make me feel like trying myself
I am also bored sh##$^less of this job
I need new challenges

Quote from: ninjaPB_43 on April 28, 2009, 09:33:08 PM

Quote from: gnubler on April 28, 2009, 02:44:13 PMDon't forget about this:

(http://www.i-marco.nl/weblog/images/breakdown.png)

This is outdated(2006), I think the newer version has higher swearing numbers... :tongue:

Less swearing, but higher rates of web design suicide. They failed to put that in the pie chart.

Quote from: gnubler on April 29, 2009, 08:28:58 AM

Quote from: ninjaPB_43 on April 28, 2009, 09:33:08 PM

Quote from: gnubler on April 28, 2009, 02:44:13 PMDon't forget about this:

(http://www.i-marco.nl/weblog/images/breakdown.png)

This is outdated(2006), I think the newer version has higher swearing numbers... :tongue:

Less swearing, but higher rates of web design suicide. They failed to put that in the pie chart.

Maybe it's time for an intervention?

she needs a hug

 :group:

They also forgot the pie slice where the web designer spends 6 hours staring at one line of code, surrenders, goes to the bar and ends up spending the night in jail.  :laugh:

I'm back into the web world again. Was joyously out for about a year but now find myself working on three new sites simultaneously. The following chart still applies:

(http://www.i-marco.nl/weblog/images/breakdown.png)

Welcome back. We've missed you.

Quote from: gnubler on March 10, 2011, 10:50:06 AMI'm back into the web world again. Was joyously out for about a year but now find myself working on three new sites simultaneously. The following chart still applies:

(http://www.i-marco.nl/weblog/images/breakdown.png)

I'll be in your shoes next week, gnubler. I'll bet I can think of a few more slices to add to your list.

Yeah, that pie chart is outdated. I might have to make a new & improved one. About half of it will be red and just say "FUCK."

Quote from: gnubler on March 10, 2011, 11:36:52 AMYeah, that pie chart is outdated. I might have to make a new & improved one. About half of it will be red and just say "FUCK."

Only half? You must be working on static web pages, then.

I'm so happy this thread was started. I was just watching tutorials and trying to decide where to start on this very thing. Very interested.

Quote from: youston on March 10, 2011, 11:37:52 AM

Quote from: gnubler on March 10, 2011, 11:36:52 AMYeah, that pie chart is outdated. I might have to make a new & improved one. About half of it will be red and just say "FUCK."

Only half? You must be working on static web pages, then.

No, I'm not. And I have an entire library of curse words...F is just my favorite and is used about half the time.

Quote from: Earendil on March 10, 2011, 11:44:02 AMI'm so happy this thread was started. I was just watching tutorials and trying to decide where to start on this very thing. Very interested.

A good place to start is the package liquor store.

Wise & efficient advice, Joe. Save yourself ahead of time and stock up on some refreshing beverages before starting a project.

My tiny contribution here. I have a yearly sub to lyndadotcom, about $300. Got it to learn 'old' stuff; Indy PhSh... But there are literally thousands of lessons covering all the apps mentioned above. OK, there's plenty of freebie stuff on the web, but that site has 'name' teachers/instructors, and it's really well organised/graded/accessible.
It would be no good me jumping into the swamp with the alligators. You need some sort of basic implement to start with, like a bowie knife. I don't have one. I'd be like Gumbo John; have about 2 fingers left.

I like knives.

Me too.

Me three.

I have a Bowie knife, it's friggen' huge (ok, not a real one, but a replica), and no, I don't carry it around, it's friggen huge!

Quote from: david on March 10, 2011, 03:23:05 PMI have a Bowie knife, it's friggen' huge (ok, not a real one, but a replica), and no, I don't carry it around, it's friggen huge!

Hey, what a coincidence ... I have a Bowie *album* that I don't carry around because of its size.

OK, just read the lyndadotcom newsletter. The USA still has the advantage, IMO, on innovative, scaled-up, clever, service-oriented enterprises like this.
Just thought I'd make a statement,is all. It's Friday Loony Tunes over time, late Friday, and am feeling contemplative.
You may go now.

Quote from: frailer on March 10, 2011, 11:07:35 PMOK, just read the lyndadotcom newsletter. The USA still has the advantage, IMO, on innovative, scaled-up, clever, service-oriented enterprises like this.
Just thought I'd make a statement,is all. It's Friday Loony Tunes over time, late Friday, and am feeling contemplative.
You may go now.

Are you guys allowed to drink at work or something?

Quote from: frailer on March 10, 2011, 11:07:35 PMOK, just read the lyndadotcom newsletter. The USA still has the advantage, IMO, on innovative, scaled-up, clever, service-oriented enterprises like this.
Just thought I'd make a statement,is all. It's Friday Loony Tunes over time, late Friday, and am feeling contemplative.
You may go now.

Quote from: Earendil on March 10, 2011, 11:44:02 AMI'm so happy this thread was started. I was just watching tutorials and trying to decide where to start on this very thing. Very interested.

I'm sure lynda.com is great. For the terminally cheap, thinking of myself here, another good option and FREE is W3 Schools (http://www.w3schools.com/). One of the things I would recommend if you are planning on getting into doing web design/development is to learn CSS. Start with the HTML and then add the CSS. It will make your life easier.

Ditto with Joe. There are infinite free resources available to learn about web dev. Everyone learns differently and that's fine. In the past I've purchased overpriced manuals to learn HTML & CSS because I like having the reference there in my hands instead of being glued to a computer screen, but most of my knowledge has come from free stuff online.

I've said it many times before but anyone getting into web design/dev needs to start with a solid knowledge of HTML, CSS, and PHP if you really want to get into it. Let's just say that every time I acquire websites from former webmasters who sponge off apps like Dreamweaver what I get is a bunch of garbage. Dreamweaver is like the Pooplisher of the web world.

Ditto right back at you. Even worse than Dreamweaver are the sites created with one of the many $69 applications like Serif WebPlus X4. It's crap and editing it is a real bitch. HTML and CSS is within the grasp of almost anyone. PHP is a mofo but if you learn it you are golden in web development. I can edit it at this point but writing it is still out of my reach. Java and Javascript are handy to know too. Flash can be useful but I wouldn't go out of my way to learn it. There is a boatload of free open source solutions for about any kind of web site you will probably ever need. Joomla is still probably the top of the line for a full blown CMS but I'm really starting to lose faith in them as so much of their add ons and themes are no longer free but there are plenty of others to choose from.

Of course two of the sites I'm working on now are Joomla-based (my choice). I have noticed many of the extensions are no longer free but that's no surprise. There's still lots that are free, though. But even just a virgin Joomla site on its own is pretty kickass and as I worked on it today I thought back ten years to when none of this existed.

There are tons of free, quality Joomla themes out there. I wouldn't pay for one unless you need something specific. I spent most of yesterday totally raping a free Joomla theme to make it mine and to wipe out all the flashy bullshit.

Where are you finding "good" free Joomla themes? It seems like the only free ones I find anymore are crap.

Quote from: gnubler on March 10, 2011, 11:37:02 PM

Quote from: frailer on March 10, 2011, 11:07:35 PMOK, just read the lyndadotcom newsletter. The USA still has the advantage, IMO, on innovative, scaled-up, clever, service-oriented enterprises like this.
Just thought I'd make a statement,is all. It's Friday Loony Tunes over time, late Friday, and am feeling contemplative.
You may go now.

Are you guys allowed to drink at work or something?

      :laugh:    Point taken. 

Quote from: Joe on March 11, 2011, 03:41:48 AMWhere are you finding "good" free Joomla themes? It seems like the only free ones I find anymore are crap.

Heroturko.  :laugh:

I stopped downloading website templates from sites like that after getting one that was quarantined by my anti-virus.

Yeah, I remember that. The last time I looked I couldn't find much in the way of good quality free Jooomla templates that were easily downloadable.

I'm actually looking through this site right now:

http://www.bestofjoomla.com (http://www.bestofjoomla.com)

Lots of free templates that aren't butt ugly. I decided to ditch the theme I installed yesterday. It's *broken*. Too many problems so out it goes.

Thanks for the link. That is my problem with most free templates I find. Either butt ugly or it's *broken*.
Are you using Joomla 1.5 or 1.6?

1.5. I think 1.6 just barely came out so I'm not jumping into it until everyone else has suffered through all the glitches and bugs and it's stable.

I think 1.6.1 is considered "stable" though that might depend on your definition of the word "stable".

Quote from: Joe on March 11, 2011, 12:07:22 PMI think 1.6.1 is considered "stable" though that might depend on your definition of the word "stable".

In gnubler's case, "stable" is a place to house the horses (or burro)... it has no other meaning.  :hello:

It's also the exact opposite of me.  :hello:

Are you using 1.6 and do you like it?

No, I haven't used 1.6 yet. I have to do a work site soon so I might do a test install later this evening and see how it goes.

Quote from: Earendil on March 11, 2011, 12:11:51 PMIn gnubler's case, "stable" is a place to house the horses (or burro)... it has no other meaning.  :hello:

Unicorns, too.

I think I'll try this template with 1.6 and adapt to a newspaper type of site.

http://www.bestofjoomla.com/index2.php?option=com_bestoftemplate&task=demo&no_html=1&id=3817 (http://www.bestofjoomla.com/index2.php?option=com_bestoftemplate&task=demo&no_html=1&id=3817)

It's nice & clean looking.

I'm testing out this template right now: http://www.bestofjoomla.com/index2.php?option=com_bestoftemplate&task=demo&no_html=1&id=3335 (http://www.bestofjoomla.com/index2.php?option=com_bestoftemplate&task=demo&no_html=1&id=3335)

Of course, making all the lovely ladies go away and installing a different slideshow module.

That link is from the site you linked earlier. Crap, never mind. It's not free which I thought it was since it had a download button but it takes you to a page where you have to buy it. See what I mean?

I just downloaded it, and I don't even need it. Shall I send it to you, Joe?

Yes, you should.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/me5g96 (http://www.sendspace.com/file/me5g96)

You two lovebirds make me blush!  :embarrassed:

I can't win...from the readme file of that template:

Quote- If you wont the SWF flash header without the text

"DESIGNED BY mixwebtemplates.com"

download it here:________________

Which is not free. :laugh:

Just dump their Flash header. I don't even know how to use Flash to make my own .swf so I'm just going to install a Joomla extension to run a slideshow in that position.

That's why we do it.

There is an idea. Thanks. I should be able to replace it with highslide.

Quote from: gnubler on March 11, 2011, 01:26:19 PMJust dump their Flash header. I don't even know how to use Flash to make my own .swf so I'm just going to install a Joomla extension to run a slideshow in that position.

Wow. Thanks 4 the info, yo.  :cheesy:

Quote from: gnubler on March 11, 2011, 01:26:19 PMJust dump their Flash header. I don't even know how to use Flash to make my own .swf so I'm just going to install a Joomla extension to run a slideshow in that position.

Just fascinating. Tell us more about what you don't know.

I'll get the popcorn.

A couple more Joomla template sites:

http://www.joomla24.com/ (http://www.joomla24.com/)

http://www.siteground.com/joomla-hosting/joomla-templates.htm (http://www.siteground.com/joomla-hosting/joomla-templates.htm)

Are you saying Aspie's is contagious or am I just extra retarded today?  :hello:

What?

 :laugh:

Just some gnubler'd Frailerisms, I s'pose.  :huh:

Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on March 11, 2011, 01:07:44 PMhttp://www.sendspace.com/file/me5g96 (http://www.sendspace.com/file/me5g96)

Ummmmm....that link is this:

Quote from: gnubler on March 11, 2011, 01:00:24 PMIt's nice & clean looking.

I'm testing out this template right now: http://www.bestofjoomla.com/index2.php?option=com_bestoftemplate&task=demo&no_html=1&id=3335 (http://www.bestofjoomla.com/index2.php?option=com_bestoftemplate&task=demo&no_html=1&id=3335)

Of course, making all the lovely ladies go away and installing a different slideshow module.

Instead of this:

Quote from: Joe on March 11, 2011, 12:58:00 PMI think I'll try this template with 1.6 and adapt to a newspaper type of site.

http://www.bestofjoomla.com/index2.php?option=com_bestoftemplate&task=demo&no_html=1&id=3817 (http://www.bestofjoomla.com/index2.php?option=com_bestoftemplate&task=demo&no_html=1&id=3817)

I'm also finding almost all free 1.6 templates that say they are compatible with Joomla 1.6 are not. They might have worked back in a beta or RC release but none of them work properly in a Joomla 1.6.1 install. Probably too early to be using 1.6.1 now.

Quote from: Joe on March 13, 2011, 10:08:21 AMProbably too early to be using 1.6.1 now.

Agreed. Like all the dorks who rushed out to upgrade to CS5 as soon as it was released. With web stuff things are more precarious, though.

Quote from: Joe on March 10, 2011, 11:47:54 PM

Quote from: frailer on March 10, 2011, 11:07:35 PMOK, just read the lyndadotcom newsletter. The USA still has the advantage, IMO, on innovative, scaled-up, clever, service-oriented enterprises like this.
Just thought I'd make a statement,is all. It's Friday Loony Tunes over time, late Friday, and am feeling contemplative.
You may go now.

Quote from: Earendil on March 10, 2011, 11:44:02 AMI'm so happy this thread was started. I was just watching tutorials and trying to decide where to start on this very thing. Very interested.

I'm sure lynda.com is great. For the terminally cheap, thinking of myself here, another good option and FREE is W3 Schools (http://www.w3schools.com/). One of the things I would recommend if you are planning on getting into doing web design/development is to learn CSS. Start with the HTML and then add the CSS. It will make your life easier.

It seems I should retract my endorsement of W3 Schools (http://www.w3schools.com/).

QuoteW3Schools.com is not affiliated with the W3C in any way. Members of the W3C have asked W3Schools to explicitly disavow any connection in the past, and they have refused to do so.

 From W3Schools's own footer...
 

We do not warrant the correctness of [W3Schools] content. The risk from using it lies entirely with the user.

We couldn't put it much better ourselves.
 Although we haven't heard from W3Schools directly, we have noticed that W3Schools has started to correct errors we've spotted. These have been noted here with strikethrough. Although we'd appreciate some communication, we're elated they've taken steps to improve their information.  Despite these attempts, we are not confident that W3Schools can be reliable as an accurate reference in the future. We think the resources we've recommended are superior.
 

http://w3fools.com/ (http://w3fools.com/)

Looks like better options are:

• HTML Dog (http://htmldog.com/) is a fantastic and comprehensive intro for HTML and CSS.
• Opera Web Standards Curriculum (http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/1-introduction-to-the-web-standards-cur/#toc) covers the basics of web standards-based design in HTML and CSS.
• Google's HTML, CSS, and Javascript from the Ground Up (http://code.google.com/edu/submissions/html-css-javascript/) presents the basics of web development with video tutorials presented by Google's expert web developers.
• SitePoint (http://reference.sitepoint.com/) is a pretty good reference for HTML, CSS and JavaScript. Their documentation always mentions feature support across different browsers, and describes known browser bugs.
• The W3C, itself, has a wiki-based general Learn (http://www.w3.org/html/wiki/Learn) page as well as an HTML element reference (http://www.w3.org/html/wiki/Elements).
•   The MDC (Mozilla's Doc Center) (https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs) takes over at intermediate CSS and covers JavaScript better than anyone.
   The MDC is also a wiki (little known fact), which means we, as knowledgeable web developers, can add or change information so the pages are as effective and comprehensive as possible

I have used HTML Dog and Sitepoint for various tutes. I find the W3C sites very dry and boring (as if coding is exciting to begin with...  :sleepy: )

I have a whole folder of bookmarked links that I refer to regarding web dev - if I get unbusy later I'll post some of my favorites here.

Hey Joe - I got Joomla rage tonight. Tried working on one of my sites...tried being the key word. These free components & plugins just don't fucking work. Wasted an hour of my life before just signing out. Not worth it.

One component gave me a PHP string error when trying to save a page, so I finally dumped it. Two others left me totally clueless - no documentation or instructions on how to actually use it. That's what you get for free now.

I think Joomla is the worst at this now...as I mentioned earlier, there are almost no free components, plug-ins, or templates for Joomla that are worthwhile. Most of the free stuff is junk.

I'm digging Concrete5 CMS (http://www.concrete5.org/) lately. Even with it though the cool stuff is not free.

I can't believe the downfall in just one year. It's not that I'm against paying for tools that actually work, but if the free/demo versions pop up errors right away I don't have much faith in the paid versions.

Yes, it seems like the last year or so it has gotten a lot worse. I agree I wouldn't mind paying for good software but there is so much garbage out there it's hard to find the few diamonds in the rough.

Just putting this here, for general interest, as I was on lynddotcom and noticed it under "New releases". The free accessible ones are the ones not greyed out. (Well, D'uh!  :laugh: )

http://www.lynda.com/training//61221-2.html (http://www.lynda.com/training//61221-2.html)

What the hell did I get myself into? I'll be reading a lot of the links posted here soon.  :death: :drunk3:

Quote from: Farabomb on March 16, 2011, 08:48:11 AMWhat the hell did I get myself into?

 :hello: :drunk3:

You have my condolences.

You haven't got your fancysmancywebtoprint site up and running yet? It's been almost 24 hours man. :sarcasm:

See how excited he was just a day ago? It wears off quickly. Wait 'til you get into cross browser compatibility...it'll make you love IE more than you ever dreamed possible.

Quote from: gnubler on March 16, 2011, 09:37:35 AMSee how excited he was just a day ago? It wears off quickly. Wait 'til you get into cross browser compatibility...it'll make you love IE more than you ever dreamed possible.

IE 9 is the fastest and most standards compliant browser ever made ~ Bill Gates

Now can you post your favorite quote by Steve Jobs? My day will be unfulfilled until you do so. Thanks.

What did Fbomb learn today?

Dreamweaver sucks.
Code is a lot different from when I was screwing around with it in '99.
Make sure your domain is in your control.
Trust no one when it comes to money.
I have a hell of a lot to learn.

Quote from: gnubler on March 16, 2011, 10:32:12 AMNow can you post your favorite quote by Steve Jobs? My day will be unfulfilled until you do so. Thanks.

QuoteI am the lord of all. Do not question the turtleneck.  -Steve Jobs

Doesn't he use the words "exponential" and "visionary" a lot?

Quote from: Joe on March 16, 2011, 09:32:46 AMYou haven't got your fancysmancywebtoprint site up and running yet? It's been almost 24 hours man. :sarcasm:

Actually, we just launched our new site... no automated ordering yet. I'm still writing all the PDFLib Blocks codes, and we haven't sync'd with ASI either. It's http://www.sig-1.com (http://www.sig-1.com) if you want to check it out and give feedback.

It looks really good, digisig. I'm impressed.

I haven't even started our new site because we haven't opened an account with a new provider yet.  :laugh: Things have been too prepressy around here to start that project.

It is a very nice looking site. Did you do the design or was it Crux Design, a Sacramento graphic design firm?

The Crux site is awful. I hope it isn't you, digisig. 100% Flash sites like that make me close a browser window so fast you wouldn't believe it.  :whip:

Our whole company web site is just one big flash file for which I don't have the source code. It sucks. It really, really, really does.

Our old site was also 100% Flash, but our new site only has a little bit here and there. Crux Design did all the work. Now we need someone who know iFrame so we can tie it all together.

IFRAME - Inline Frame

Syntax	<IFRAME>...</IFRAME>
Attribute Specifications	SRC=URI (http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/values.html#uri) (URI of frame content) NAME=CDATA (http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/values.html#cdata) (name of frame) LONGDESC=URI (http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/values.html#uri) (link to long description) WIDTH=Length (http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/values.html#length) (frame width) HEIGHT=Length (http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/values.html#length) (frame height) ALIGN=[ top | middle | bottom | left | right ] (frame alignment) FRAMEBORDER=[ 1 | 0 ] (frame border) MARGINWIDTH=Pixels (http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/values.html#pixels) (margin width) MARGINHEIGHT=Pixels (http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/values.html#pixels) (margin height) SCROLLING=[ yes | no | auto ] (ability to scroll) core attributes (http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/attrs.html#core)
Contents	Inline elements (http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/inline.html), block-level elements (http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/block.html)
Contained in	Block-level elements (http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/block.html), inline elements (http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/inline.html) except BUTTON (http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/forms/button.html)

The IFRAME element defines an inline frame for the inclusion of external objects including other HTML documents. IFRAME provides similar functionality to OBJECT (http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/special/object.html). One advantage of IFRAME is that it can act as a target (http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/special/a.html#target) for other links. However, OBJECT is included in HTML 4 Strict (http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/html/doctype.html#strict) while IFRAME is not.
IFRAME's SRC attribute provides the location of the frame content--typically an HTML document. The optional NAME attribute specifies the name of the inline frame, allowing links to target (http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/special/a.html#target) the frame.
The content of the IFRAME element is used as an alternative for browsers that are not configured to show or do not support inline frames. The content may consist of inline (http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/inline.html) or block-level (http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/block.html) elements, though any block-level elements must be allowed inside the containing element of IFRAME. For example, an IFRAME within an H1 (http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/block/h1.html) cannot contain an H2 (http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/block/h2.html), but an IFRAME within a DIV (http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/block/div.html) can contain any block-level elements.
The LONGDESC attribute gives the URI of a long description of the frame's contents. This is particularly useful for full descriptions of embedded objects. Note that LONGDESC describes the frame content while the content of the IFRAME element acts as a replacement when the external resource cannot be inlined.
An example follows:
<IFRAME SRC="recipe.html" TITLE="The Famous Recipe">
<!-- Alternate content for non-supporting browsers -->
<H2>The Famous Recipe</H2>
<H3>Ingredients</H3>
...
</IFRAME>
The WIDTH and HEIGHT attributes specify the dimensions of the inline frame in pixels or as a percentage of the available space. The FRAMEBORDER attribute specifies whether or not a border should be drawn. The default value of 1 results in a border while a value of 0 suppresses the border. Style sheets (http://htmlhelp.com/reference/css/) allow greater flexibility in suggesting the border presentation.
The ALIGN attribute specifies the alignment of the inline frame. The values top, middle, and bottom specify the frame's position with respect to surrounding content on its left and right.
  ALIGN=middle aligns the vertical center of the frame with the current baseline. To center the frame horizontally on the page, place the frame in a centered block, e.g.,
<P ALIGN=center><IFRAME SRC="foo.html" WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=100></IFRAME></P>
  The other ALIGN values, left and right, specify a floating frame; the frame is placed at the left or right margin and content flows around it. To place content below the frame, use <BR CLEAR=left|right|all> as appropriate.
The vertical-align (http://htmlhelp.com/reference/css/text/vertical-align.html) and float (http://htmlhelp.com/reference/css/box/float.html) properties of Cascading Style Sheets (http://htmlhelp.com/reference/css/) provide more flexible methods of aligning inline frames.
The MARGINWIDTH and MARGINHEIGHT attributes define the number of pixels to use as the left/right margins and top/bottom margins, respectively, within the inline frame. The value must be a non-negative integer.
The SCROLLING attribute specifies whether scrollbars are provided for the inline frame. The default value, auto, generates scrollbars only when necessary. The value yes gives scrollbars at all times, and the value no suppresses scrollbars--even when they are needed to see all the content.

I have a Flash blocker in Firefox so when I go to their site all I see is a big letter F in the middle of a white screen.  :laugh: Suckers.

Quote from: gnubler on March 16, 2011, 12:56:24 PMI have a Flash blocker in Firefox so when I go to their site all I see is a big letter F in the middle of a white screen.  :laugh: Suckers.

You are only depriving yourself of a wonderful experience.

Oops..forgot  :sarcasm:

It does look pretty good there digi.

I won't have to worry about web to print. Only need a basic site with contact info. Right now ours is garbage but sure beats the one with the wrong info that was there.

Quote from: Joe on March 16, 2011, 12:58:02 PMOops..forgot  :sarcasm:

Joe, you've pretty much reached the point of gnublification where using the sarcasm icon is redundant. "I get it." (wink wink)

Quote from: gnubler on March 16, 2011, 01:47:44 PM

Quote from: Joe on March 16, 2011, 12:58:02 PMOops..forgot  :sarcasm:

Joe, you've pretty much reached the point of gnublification where using the sarcasm icon is redundant. "I get it." (wink wink)

Good to know. That's what I've been shooting for. :whip:

Were you being sarcastic?  :laugh:

Here I go...opening Quark 8 for a web design job. Help me! :cry:

Quote from: Joe on March 16, 2011, 06:22:52 PMHere I go...opening Quark 8 for a web design job. Help me! :cry:

Crap. One of your last posts and not a further word. Are you OK? Has it triggered armageddon?

Quote from: gnubler on March 16, 2011, 10:11:01 PM

Quote from: Joe on March 16, 2011, 06:22:52 PMHere I go...opening Quark 8 for a web design job. Help me! :cry:

Crap. One of your last posts and not a further word. Are you OK? Has it triggered armageddon?

Doofus sent us a Quark document and asked if we could make a web site out of it? Hell yes, give me my pills and I'll get right on it. :death:

This is new. Thanks Quark.

Quote from: Joe on March 16, 2011, 10:19:14 PMDoofus sent us a Quark document and asked if we could make a web site out of it? Hell yes, give me my pills and I'll get right on it. :death:

Joe, just save it as a JPG and be done with it.  :laugh: Easy peasy.

Quote from: gnubler on March 16, 2011, 11:17:26 PM

Quote from: Joe on March 16, 2011, 10:19:14 PMDoofus sent us a Quark document and asked if we could make a web site out of it? Hell yes, give me my pills and I'll get right on it. :death:

Joe, just save it as a JPG and be done with it.  :laugh: Easy peasy.

As GREAT as Quark is there is no option to save a Quark page as a JPEG. I guess I could save it as an EPS and then change it to a jpeg but it seems like a lot of trouble just to end up with garbage.

Just Photoshop it and send it to the FTP. Done.  :laugh:

Quote from: Joe on March 16, 2011, 10:21:34 PMThis is new. Thanks Quark.

Racial profiling by the Quack?

Quote from: gnubler on March 11, 2011, 01:00:24 PMIt's nice & clean looking.

I'm testing out this template right now: http://www.bestofjoomla.com/index2.php?option=com_bestoftemplate&task=demo&no_html=1&id=3335 (http://www.bestofjoomla.com/index2.php?option=com_bestoftemplate&task=demo&no_html=1&id=3335)

Of course, making all the lovely ladies go away and installing a different slideshow module.

Did you make any progress on this? I have downloaded the theme and have some javascript slide show examples to try to replace the flash. But if you've already done something it would be much easier for me to just get a copy of yours! :laugh:

I am in fact using it and the word today was that "the customer loves it". Of course there's a meeting schedule for me to sit down with the clientele to go over everything, at which point it will be further raped beyond recognition.

But I would love to share it with you.  :laugh: I'll send you a PM link later this week.

Cool...thanks.

Hey gnub,

Clearing the cobwebs from my Joomla hangover this morning...If you haven't already, give JT SlideShow (http://extensions.joomla.org/extensions/photos-a-images/images-slideshow/8205) a try as a replacement for that built in Flash header in that template. It is very full featured for a freebie and works great on Joomla 1.5.

Also, I found a couple of Joomla template sites with loads of free templates and some are pretty decent:

http://www.themesbase.com/Joomla-Templates/?version=0&order=&page=1 (http://www.themesbase.com/Joomla-Templates/?version=0&order=&page=1)

and

http://www.lonex.com/content-management-system/joomla/templates/joomla-themes-page-1.html (http://www.lonex.com/content-management-system/joomla/templates/joomla-themes-page-1.html)

Thanks. I'll be working on it this afternoon and will send you a linky once I make a bunch of changes. I had decided to dump the free slideshow because it only allows 5 images and our client wants like 500 images.  :laugh: Just joking.

So, does anyone else have customers who upload a 165Mb ZIP full of images, then within that ZIP there's a 135Mb mystery file called Ndkwo3dk or something...which ends up being another ZIP full of the exact same batch of pics?  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Love it.

Quote from: gnubler on March 25, 2011, 10:37:05 AMThanks. I'll be working on it this afternoon and will send you a linky once I make a bunch of changes. I had decided to dump the free slideshow because it only allows 5 images and our client wants like 500 images.  :laugh: Just joking.

So, does anyone else have customers who upload a 165Mb ZIP full of images, then within that ZIP there's a 135Mb mystery file called Ndkwo3dk or something...which ends up being another ZIP full of the exact same batch of pics?  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Love it.

The JT SlideShow I linked to you will allow you to have any amount of images.