I have an Action that is not working, It seems I'm doing everything right
I'm wanting to move items .3 to the right on the odd pages and .3 to the left on the evens
I was trying to make separate actions for just to make it simple.
it's not doing anything. :'(
It's a small folio that is in the drill, a lot of pages.
actually not urgent now If I move those folios they will go into their text
this is now a customer problem but if anyone knows what I'm doing wrong, please!
Thanks!
what I'm dealing with
How are you selecting the text you want moved?
Select By Region can be tricky - the easiest way I've found is to draw a new box that encompasses the region you want, then when you are building the action if that box is selected you can use its location to define the region (little eyedropper to grab coordinates.) Then just delete the box after you build the action.
One thing that can burn you is you can choose whether the objects you are trying to select are either entirely within the region, or if they just touch the region. Sometimes lines of text might be longer than you think so make the region as large as you safely can.
I tried selecting the text as everything is in the same spot
but I also tried drawing a box like Curry said but can you post a screen shot
of creating the box? I think this may be the problem.
Thanks Guys!
would a blank box cause a problem? like there is nothing there?
Drawing a box though would also grab the magenta circle unless there is an action option to only select text...which there may be. Kind of out of the loop on these things now.
The magenta drill is in my indesign file, not on the file I was going to fix
just showing the issue.
I'm going to try selecting with a box again, I think I'm doing that wrong
no rush now ;D
Thanks Joe! always helping
actually these folios are just for putting the job together
it has 4 different sheet sizes tabs right, tabs top, tabs bottom, round corner, drill
it is so complex. Just like our Government!
Oh and Half the book is Yelo and it flips so the front half of the book is white and you flip it over for the yelo part
who thinks up these things?
were going to drill through it after they are put together
Can you give me the file to play with? I already have actions like this and could probavbly tweak one of them to work for your file. Even though you said it's going to push the type into the body copy, at least you'll have most of the action and can tweak it as needed.
You can select text within the region and ignore non-text. You can also select the text by font, point size, etc which might not be necessary in this case, but can be helpful sometimes.
Adding a box - it's under Pitstop Edit tools - called Add rectangle. Location of Pitstop Edit varies by version and preferences.
I didn't know you can select by font size, well I think I forgot! ;D
I can PM you a page without any sensitive info, there is a disclaimer on this document not to share with any other countries etc... must be destroyed ya da ya da ya da
Got it! I might have time today to mess with it. More fun than anything else I should be doing.
Here are the 2 actions. I didn't go crazy selecting by type or anything like that because I couldn't find one I already had that combined that with select by region and just using region did the job.
(I did not delete your Dropbox PDF - I'm not logged in and just downloaded it as a guest, so you should delete it on your end I think.)
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/dqgabcr9ckawg3c59xn7p/B4_moveActions.zip?rlkey=nqatu6acae8q2wr3ivr6h84f6&dl=0
BTW, I'm on Pitstop 13. Sometimes newer versions have trouble with older actions. If that happens I'll take screenshots of the action for you. It's only 2 lines.
Thanks Dan!! I definitely want to get this, going to practice
Took about a minute and a half!
One little thing I ran into is when I try to grab the coordinates of the box to designate the region, sometimes you have to grab it twice. For some reason sometimes it just doesn't change the numbers that are in there the first time.
Funny, I had a similar thing earlier. Tried to create an action list to snag the text by size, then Move Page Content. Didn't do anything. I did make the change in ID and remerged, but it's slow around here and wanted to try it out. For all I know Move Page Content wasn't the correct action to try and shift it over.
Project was a variable envelope with an address block they wanted moved over some.
You want Change Position, then you can either move it a relative distance or to an absolute position.
(BTW, welcome aboard!)
Holy Cow! I put our actions side by side and figured out the Change Position
I was doing it all wrong!!! Thanks DCurry!!!!!!!!
Ahhhhhh yeah, that would explain why it just stared at me like that. Thanks for that!
Thanks for the welcome!
Welcome from me too! :)
That's a game changer for me, I move a lot of the text in those tabs and there are sometimes
20-30 pages with the same move.
This book was over 600 pages.
Quote from: Tracy on July 21, 2023, 01:17:23 PM.... This book was over 600 pages.
this is when I would ask for the source file if at all possible.....
or ask the creator to fix and re-submit, I know... that's crazy talk. 8)
it's the heat down here, I'm starting to hallucinate.
the program is something we have never heard of Broadvision Inc.
Does anyone know how to select by region like from the left corner
but not select what's in the region?
so I get these tab books with image dies, so after I get the proof file done
I have to delete the die out to make the print file, I'm talking hundreds of pages.
I've gotten use to it, and have actions setup for this job (bad file actions) ;D
but this one thing would be so helpful, sometimes I go through the pages so fast
deleting the die image, I feel like I'm going to have a seizure
Click-Delete-next page, Click-Delete-next page,Click-Delete-next page,Click-Delete-next page
;D
The image when selected is the outermost thing you select so nothing is ever farther then the die image
if that makes sense.
so If I select by region and delete it deletes everything because everything is inside the region.
This is just a long shot, but thought I'd put it out there.
So you're wanting to select everything outside of that region? When you set up the action there's a dropdown called Select Objects objects. I think default is Inside Region or Overlapping Region. Change it to outside region. If you need to exclude tab headers also a Select Font and the AND operator at the end. You could also select the region right down the far side of the of the dielines (if rectangles) and select inside region or overlapping. Just don't grab the text headers on the tabs.
I think that's what you're talking about? Or maybe I'm just hungover more than I think.
Thanks Ill try my Luck (see what I did there) ;D
It must be possible
I'm trying to delete the image die without deleting everything inside the die
why anybody goes through the trouble creating an image die is beyond me.
This is our tax payer dollar at work! >:(
I Know I got a book coming in just wanted to try something different this time
it could be a week from now but I will update and let you know what happens
Thanks man!
If there's anything inside the die except text centered on the tab I don't think that'll work. Might be able to use multiple AND statements to weed it out some more. If the die is a spot color (i make my dielines a custom spot color) you can select by that color and remove as well.
The autistic part of my brain automatically presses Shift or ALT in Acrobat to NOT select the top layered item, and hit the one UNDER it ... or maybe I select the TOP layer then hold that button and click again ... try messing with that, it might help.
Sorry, I don't have any of those projects now, or I'd slow down and test it out ...
Adobe has a heap of those damn tricks programmed into all their software (CTRL-ZERO), and they all went into my head when I was a photoshop specialist, chased by a heap of FREE red-bull!
**EDIT, just realized this is an ENFOCUS thread, UGH! Ignore.**
It'd be easier if I could see one of the tabs. Sounds like there's a color bar or something on the tab as well as text, and she's trying not to delete the bar and text.
If the die is an image, you can select only images in the region and delete them.
Otherwise, as previously mentioned, you can select by color if the die is a spot.
Things like this is the one thing I miss about prepress trying to make things easier. Terminal laziness pays off sometimes. Last week I wiped out my 2013 iMac which had all of the Adobe apps and Pitstop on it so I can't play anymore.
Quote from: (Pre)PressingMyLuck on March 18, 2024, 01:51:16 PMIf there's anything inside the die except text centered on the tab I don't think that'll work. Might be able to use multiple AND statements to weed it out some more. If the die is a spot color (i make my dielines a custom spot color) you can select by that color and remove as well.
I was going to post this, but I just got here.
The Die is an image it is not spot, and there are small images inside the pages.
I think you guys are on to something here with the AND and maybe going by the size.
the Die images are in the same spot and they are the same size, it will be complex
but since I do these quite a bit it will be worth it.
I cannot share the file as it is for the Government but I can remove the content and maybe
place some fake content.
I will work on that when the next one comes in.
Thanks guys you got me thinking!!
Joe! You were not suppose to delete those! ;D
If the die is an image just grab a small region that it's the only image that overlaps and:
Select objects inside region: inside region or overlapping
Select images
AND
Remove selection
That should do it.
If the die image is the largest on any of the pages you could sub out the region selection with the size of the image.
Quote from: Tracy on March 19, 2024, 07:25:21 AMJoe! You were not suppose to delete those! ;D
Well I really have no need for them any longer.
:tantrum2:
Well there is me! ;D
A book just came in, it will be a couple days but I'll try and get a file together to sharethanks!
Now nobody from his old workplace can bother him. During the Covid unemployment bonanza, I switched from a Mac Mini running 10.6 to a brand new Dell. A couple years later it was nice to be able to tell my old boss that no, I wasn't interested in doing work for him from home for his new business and I didn't have the software anymore anyway.
Ok I pulled 2 pages, notice page 2 is a different size die/image
but the left corner is in the same position.
attached is the file
It looks like the black hashmarks on the left side are part of the image with the dieline. So if you're ok with removing those as well this should work. So long as nothing is different on other pages.(about:invalid) Except I can't attach the eal.
Draw a small rectangle on the tab overlapping the dieline, but nothing else.
Select objects inside or overlapping region
set it to define region relative to lower left of media box
use the eye dropper next to that with your rectangle selected to get the coords and size
set "inside region or overlapping region" in the Select Objects drop down
remove selection (it'll also remove the rectangle you created).
Quote from: (Pre)PressingMyLuck on March 19, 2024, 11:13:06 AMExcept I can't attach the eal.
ZIP it up and you can attach the eal.
(about:invalid)(about:invalid)I don't even have a button for attaching, and dragging it to the reply isn't working either. Shouldn't be too hard to duplicate, just two actions.
Quote from: (Pre)PressingMyLuck on March 19, 2024, 11:35:55 AMI don't even have a button for attaching, and dragging it to the reply isn't working either. Shouldn't be too hard to duplicate, just two actions.
It is kind of weird. Click the Preview button and then you will see an area to drag files to...to attach.
Screenshot 2024-03-19 at 1.01.57 PM.png
Wow, that is kinda weird. Never woulda thought of that.
Hmmm...Ok, didn't give it long enough.
Here you go, Tracy.
Thank you I will try it and play around with it
I actually removed a lot of text and those lines were what survived
so I did not put those lines on it.
I'm sure something will work
The current book is 608 pages, more than half the book has a yelo background
that I have to overprint because of the white boxes of images.
It prints on plastic and I have to get it in position, which I pretty much have down.
There are different sizes through out that I have to separate out and run separately
and much much more! ;D
Thanks! I will give it a go
Might have to modify it some to keep that yellow background, but I bet we can do that.
Quote from: (Pre)PressingMyLuck on March 19, 2024, 12:47:44 PMMight have to modify it some to keep that yellow background, but I bet we can do that.
I'm sorry, but every time I see your screen name, my head keeps repeating, "
no whammies, no whammies, no whammies! STOP!"
Better than other things I could be remembered for I guess :D
Quote from: (Pre)PressingMyLuck on March 19, 2024, 12:47:44 PMMight have to modify it some to keep that yellow background, but I bet we can do that.
I put the yelo background in indesign after I'm done fixing the file
so that is not a problem
I might be oversimplifying, but I took your sample file and viewed it in wireframe mode to see the underlying structure of the elements. On these 2 pages the die image is pretty close to the top left edge of the page.
So, I did Select Region of .25x.25 of the top left corner, anything fully enclosed or overlapping, then Remove Selection. Worked on these 2 pages.
Maybe you need to see what the variation is across the pages and try to make the region the smallest it can be but still safely get the dieline image.
That's very similar to what I did, DCurry, but I defined the region on the tap itself. Figured probably less chance of variation across the 600 or so pages there. Fingers crossed it works for her.
My thought was there's probably not much important stuff in the corner so less likely to have design elements go along for the ride.
correct there is nothing in the corners ever except that die
That is how I delete the die, keep my mouse on that corner
Delete Delete Delete Delete Delete Delete Delete Delete Delete Delete Delete Delete Delete Delete
Delete Delete Delete Delete Delete Delete Delete Delete Delete Delete Delete
Thanks guys Great Job! I probably won't implement it on the job I'm working on now
I will try it on my spare time, If something deleted without knowing I'm in trouble
or someone else ;D as these are emergency procedures for aircraft
;D Not sure why that is so funny to me.
Quote from: Tracy on March 20, 2024, 09:16:42 AMcorrect there is nothing in the corners ever except that die
That is how I delete the die, keep my mouse on that corner
Delete Delete Delete Delete Delete Delete Delete Delete Delete Delete Delete Delete Delete Delete
Delete Delete Delete Delete Delete Delete Delete Delete Delete Delete Delete
Thanks guys Great Job! I probably won't implement it on the job I'm working on now
I will try it on my spare time, If something deleted without knowing I'm in trouble
or someone else ;D as these are emergency procedures for aircraft
;D Not sure why that is so funny to me.
It is nice you care about it where the people creating the file don't care enough to give you proper files. :rotf:
Another option to think about is to use the same procedure but change the color (but dobt delete) of whatever is going to be deleted. Change it to Magenta or something that stands out. Then you run the that first so you can easily scroll through the entire document and see what changes colors - that's what will be deleted when you do the real thing.
Will that work for a die line that is an image? Ca you change it's color like that?
Yup. Convert to spot would probably work best. Or you could remap to a different channel.
Just tested it. Remap to Separation works.
That's a good idea, that's what I do when I get a vector die
which is hard also because it comes Black!
so I have to select by stroke weight and make sure there isn't any other strokes that change color.
which there always is! argh!
yeah Joe some days I really don't care! My question is how are these people getting
jobs with government and ridiculously high pay I'm sure.
I have thought maybe I should get a job there.
sheesh!
This job I'm doing now is a bit different in size and Drill, The page folio's are going to get drilled through.
I called it out last time, they didn't care, why couldn't you put the folios in a different spot?
I can't wait to work on the fix, I'm excited! ;D
Yeah I have no life ;D
Quote from: Tracy on March 20, 2024, 12:01:36 PMyeah Joe some days I really don't care! My question is how are these people getting
jobs
I think I jinxed myself by getting into this thread. Yesterday my old Prepress manager called asking for some help with Prinergy. :o
Boy, do I miss Prinergy!
Quote from: DCurry on March 20, 2024, 12:19:20 PMBoy, do I miss Prinergy!
I know a place that has Prinergy that would hire you if you didn't mind moving half way across the country and most likely take a cut in pay. ;D
I don't miss it that much.
Prinect is okay. Interestingly, I learned that it was created by some of the same people behind Prinergy. Seems like it behaves more like Apogee, though.
Quote from: Joe on March 20, 2024, 12:14:41 PMI think I jinxed myself by getting into this thread. Yesterday my old Prepress manager called asking for some help with Prinergy. :o
;D ;D ;D
Are you gonna help?
:)
Quote from: Joe on March 20, 2024, 12:14:41 PMI think I jinxed myself by getting into this thread. Yesterday my old Prepress manager called asking for some help with Prinergy. :o
Told ya they would eventually call, told ya! ;D
Quote from: pspdfppdfxhd on March 20, 2024, 02:51:18 PMTold ya they would eventually call, told ya! ;D
They called a lot for the first few months but it slacked off after that. It has probably been about 8 months before yesterday.
Quote from: Joe on March 20, 2024, 04:36:51 PMThey called a lot for the first few months but it slacked off after that. It has probably been about 8 months before yesterday.
do they pay you for the "consultation"?
Quote from: David on March 21, 2024, 07:50:35 AMdo they pay you for the "consultation"?
Wait...lemme check the mail...................no check.