Have canvassed this with our Fujifilm apps/CMS guy, but would like to air it here.
Big overseas (based in Caribbean, better not say more), customer who do product cattle dogs (Aussie slang for catalogues) each year.
Here's some email excerpts from the new production person there. Last year, we had to do some last minute 'colour correction' on some images. As we'd only downloaded the PDFs I achieved this by doing it in PitStop, mainly for convenience and time, and I wanted to keep it simple.
We managed to get through that OK, but it was seat-of-the-pants. This person wants predictability, which is reasonable. But I'm thinking that really all we can offer is our Black Magics, which are close to the ISO standard for here, and which, according to Fujifilm guy, is close to Euroscale Coated V2 anyway.
My main question is a Mahommed/mountain one. Who's gonna move? And could we acquiesce to their japan profile anyway? I wouldn't think so.
I readily admit to leading a pretty easy life here re CMS. We run our Black Magics, which are aligned to the presses. If client doesn't like what they see, the ball's in their court.. change it upstream and we'll do another proof. More or less how it goes...
Here is the relevant quote:
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In this proofing solution, final files will be ripped, processed and proofed to final colour space of the chosen vendor e.g. CMYK (Japan Colour Coated 2001)
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They seem to be sounding us out (and others, by assumption), as to whether this will simplify their worldwide printing. But I'm still not sure whether they're trying to impose one colour profile worldwide, or whether they'll adjust to each printer (vendor, I take it, in the quote).
It's raising a few questions which I feel I can't answer straight up.
I think we're already doing what she states, but not 100% on that. :undecided:
Any thoughts on this welcome.
I think I've misread the request/suggestion. Looks like they're just asking us to do what we already do. So we, as the 'chosen vendor' doing it here in OZ would be running it to our standing path, stated above.
Going around in circles?
We've always gone the way of "this is the proof, if it is not what you're expecting you need to change the files". Right or wrong that's how it's been in every shop I've worked.
Not that our proofs are really close right now as we have changed everything since it was last profiled. We are working to get that resolved.
There are some shops that are completely color managed. Or so I hear. I've never seen one. We pretty much go with that "If you don't like the way it looks change your files method" also.
We too.
We even have a Gracol control stip verifier that shows how "delta e ish" the proof is out. (prints out all kinds of colored squares after the proof and brings it back in where a spectrometer reads it and prints out a chart of accuracy). Looks too red to everyone when it's in range and passes, so i globally cut back the magenta on the proofs -8%. When i do this it matches the press better but won't pass the verification. So we TRIED to go high-tech but ended up doing things like we always have. :drunk3:
I got the scanner verification thingy too with EVO.
Never hooked the damn thing up. Everyone was under the opinion that the proofs are too red (and still are) when they are "accurate" and "correct" or whatever other buzzword they describe it as. It matters not if it's certified, it has to match the product you are delivering to the customer.
We include the Oris delta-E summary on proofs for our fussy clients. Even though they can't decipher the info in most cases, they like to see that checkmark.
yeah, we have a client like that too, so, manually we cut back the red cast on every element, photoshop, illustator, whatever, then remove the -8 percent global cut in fiery, then print the verification accuracy strip with all the right PASS checkmarks on it and everyone thinks we know what we are doing.
Most likely one color profile to be used by all of their printers because the customer is probably in "standardization mode". And there's nothing to worry about because they need to follow also existing international standards.
A customer sent us an actual proof to follow for color for an upcoming issue of their newspaper. It is on a bright white coated stock and looks fabulous and they included their standard buzzwords like "SWOP" and "G7" and "standards" that they know nothing about. Their job prints on 30# recycled uncoated newsprint and they requested we match that proof.
We're like standing around doing this: :lmao: :rotf: :lmao: :rotf: :lmao: :rotf:
Like when I was running a press and they insisted I match the book for the spots but it's printed on cream, yellow, whatever not white stock. One time I suggested getting a drawdown and I got the most confused look from them.
Quote from: Joe on July 16, 2015, 09:52:52 AMA customer sent us an actual proof to follow for color for an upcoming issue of their newspaper. It is on a bright white coated stock and looks fabulous and they included their standard buzzwords like "SWOP" and "G7" and "standards" that they know nothing about. Their job prints on 30# recycled uncoated newsprint and they requested we match that proof.
Oh just print a 5th color (bright white) on the first unit. Quit complaining.
We're like standing around doing this: :lmao: :rotf: :lmao: :rotf: :lmao: :rotf:
Quote from: Farabomb on July 16, 2015, 10:34:33 AMLike when I was running a press and they insisted I match the book for the spots but it's printed on cream, yellow, whatever not white stock. One time I suggested getting a drawdown and I got the most confused look from them.
What is a drawdown?
QuoteWhat is a drawdown?
what someone does late at night on a dark srtreet corner in a bad part of town...
or, a sample of the actual ink to be used printed on job stock.
Quote from: pspdfppdfx on July 16, 2015, 11:11:37 AMQuote from: Joe on July 16, 2015, 09:52:52 AMA customer sent us an actual proof to follow for color for an upcoming issue of their newspaper. It is on a bright white coated stock and looks fabulous and they included their standard buzzwords like "SWOP" and "G7" and "standards" that they know nothing about. Their job prints on 30# recycled uncoated newsprint and they requested we match that proof.
We're like standing around doing this: :lmao: :rotf: :lmao: :rotf: :lmao: :rotf:
Oh just print a 5th color (bright white) on the first unit. Quit complaining.
Good idea but our web press doesn't have a 5th unit. :P
We were actually quite amused. My suggestion was to send them a price quote for running their 80 page job on the sheetfed press on 80# glossy text so we could match their SWOP proof. I'm pretty sure that would have made their jaw drop.
Yes, that certainly would. :drunk3: