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Title: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: andyfest on April 06, 2010, 07:02:24 AM
I've been keeping my eye on the upcoming intro to Adobe's CS5 Creative Suite as we use Illy & PhotoShop an awful lot. Although they haven't said it officially, the "unofficial" Adobe site is saying that the CS5 apps are written for Intel Macs only. Our corporate parent has been guilty of seriously neglecting our prepress dept. and has turned us down for the past two years when we have applied for $$$ for software and hardware upgrades. As a result, we are all still running PPC G5 towers using OS 10.4.11. However, pending the CS5 intro on 12Apr10, it looks like we may be forced into an Intel update. Any body else going to be in the same boat?
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: David on April 06, 2010, 07:28:01 AM
we currently only have two Intel boxes used for Prepress production (and one of those is a color retouching workstation), all the others are G5's and and a few G4's.

yeah, we're screwed.

I'm installing 10.6 today on my Intel box in anticipation of getting CS5 as soon as it comes out.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: DigiCorn on April 06, 2010, 08:09:06 AM
Ditto, but with fewer comps online
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Farabomb on April 06, 2010, 09:53:34 AM
Luckily I got a new box before work became hard to come by. Think I still might have a slight fight getting the CS5 upgrade.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: frailer on April 06, 2010, 03:27:02 PM
In exactly the same boat here, Andyfest. PPCs + 10.4.11. My aim is to try and get the best Minis available at the time. That way, displays are kept as a separate issue. My carry-on elsewhere here shows I'm not an Apple Display fan, mainly from the value-for-$$ aspect...but that's another story.
But, as you say, the writing is on the wall...   :sad:
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Slappy on April 06, 2010, 03:44:47 PM
Yup, same situation here. Hmmmm, it's almost like all printers are cheap bastards & have no idea how to balance spending & productivity. Crazy.  :banghead:
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Possum on April 07, 2010, 08:45:23 AM
I'm running OSX 10.3.9 on an MDD, because OSX 10.4 doesn't play well with our ancient rip. If we do get an Intel, we'll have to scrap everything else, get new rip, new platesetter to replace the imagesetter. I'm not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Slappy on April 07, 2010, 10:48:18 AM
So, what's the plan as far as receiving new files from clients for all of you? I can hardly get a proper PDF as it is, if we can't take native CS5 docs, things are going to get even more fubar than they are now. And honestly, if I was a client who's printer said they can't accept a CS5 doc, I'd be shopping around for a new vendor.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Joe on April 07, 2010, 10:58:22 AM
We pretty much have everyone sending us PDF's. Sometimes not so great PDF's but PDF's none the less. I would guess we will not have CS5 unless we have a customer that demands to send CS5 native files. Which could be never. I can see us just getting multiple copies of Acrobat 10 to stay current in PDF though.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Grimace on April 07, 2010, 01:38:50 PM
Quote from: frailer on April 06, 2010, 03:27:02 PMIn exactly the same boat here, Andyfest. PPCs + 10.4.11. My aim is to try and get the best Minis available at the time. That way, displays are kept as a separate issue. My carry-on elsewhere here shows I'm not an Apple Display fan, mainly from the value-for-$$ aspect...but that's another story.
But, as you say, the writing is on the wall...   :sad:

Interesting...you must have some great displays already if you don't like Apple's.
I am personally counting the days like a kid at Christmas to get my new 27" iMac.
The displays I have now may have cost "almost" $200 and are complete shite.
The color at the top of the screen is several shades darker than at the bottom of the screen.
And color calibration, (even though for us it isn't critical) is non-existant.
Because i have to do all my full impositions on my computer rather than a RIP station, I feel the age of a computer more than others, I can't stand using the G5's upstairs, they choke and weeze with every screen re-draw!

I see CS5 as an oppurtunity for me. Bring on the new hardware!
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 07, 2010, 01:41:12 PM
I have a 27" iMac... love it. Best machine I have ever worked on. Well, I liked my Quadra 840 AV a lot.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Grimace on April 07, 2010, 02:15:21 PM
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 07, 2010, 01:41:12 PMI have a 27" iMac... love it. Best machine I have ever worked on. Well, I liked my Quadra 840 AV a lot.

I remember thinking of Quadras as the Porche of computers!
The name is even cool. Cooler than the LC II that I first worked on! Although the LC had a 14" screen to go along with it! That's 2" more than a foot, yo.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: youston on April 07, 2010, 02:22:09 PM
Quote from: Grimace on April 07, 2010, 02:15:21 PM
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 07, 2010, 01:41:12 PMI have a 27" iMac... love it. Best machine I have ever worked on. Well, I liked my Quadra 840 AV a lot.

I remember thinking of Quadras as the Porche of computers!
The name is even cool. Cooler than the LC II that I first worked on! Although the LC had a 14" screen to go along with it! That's 2" more than a foot, yo.

We had a Quadra hooked up to a MASSIVE CRT (don't remember the size, just that it was quite large) at the newspaper office in college. Even then, it was waaayyyyy out of date. You'd bring up a quark document, click on a text box, go out for a smoke, and when you came back, you *might* see the selection handles appear. Forget trying to move that box, though, because the video RAM was incredibly inadequate.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 07, 2010, 02:37:24 PM
I worked on an SE-30 before the Quadra, I think I even rolled a Centris 610 and a 650 for a few months. Believe me, when the Quadra 840 AV came out, there was NO finer machine for a long time.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Joe on April 07, 2010, 02:48:22 PM
I used to use paper and pencil.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Grimace on April 07, 2010, 02:53:47 PM
Quote from: Joe on April 07, 2010, 02:48:22 PMI used to use paper and pencil.

Quill and papyrus.
charcol and cave wall.
finger and dirt.

It's all good.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Joe on April 07, 2010, 02:54:55 PM
Quote from: Grimace on April 07, 2010, 02:53:47 PM
Quote from: Joe on April 07, 2010, 02:48:22 PMI used to use paper and pencil.

Quill and papyrus.
charcol and cave wall.
finger and dirt.

It's all good.

 :laugh:

Well, I'm not that old.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: frailer on April 07, 2010, 05:42:29 PM
Quote from: Grimace on April 07, 2010, 01:38:50 PMInteresting...you must have some great displays already if you don't like Apple's.

I know I have run the risk of causing terminal boredom amongst b4p members...can't afford to lose any. But  here (https://www.b4print.com/general-prepress/flatpanelshd_heads-up/msg100168/#msg100168) is stuff regarding a different 'setup' to an iMac, for prepress. (Home is a different matter). Personally I don't like the shiny/over-saturated appearance of iMac displays. Not to mention their arrogance in not telling you what type of panel it is. Give me the gruntiest Mini and a good non-Apple display any day. Shit, here comes the boredom...I'll stop now.   :laugh:
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: ratintrap on April 07, 2010, 05:44:26 PM
Quote from: Grimace on April 07, 2010, 02:53:47 PM
Quote from: Joe on April 07, 2010, 02:48:22 PMI used to use paper and pencil.

Quill and papyrus.
charcol and cave wall.
finger and dirt.

It's all good.

Heck, James Cameron uses Papyrus. :cheesy:

(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2009/12/500x_avatar_papyrus.jpg)

I Spent $300 Million on This Movie and All I Got Were These Lousy Papyrus Subtitles (http://gizmodo.com/5430268/i-spent-300-million-on-this-movie-and-all-i-got-were-these-lousy-papyrus-subtitles)
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 07, 2010, 06:49:22 PM
James Cameron for all his talent and vision, is 100% douche bag. King of the Douche Bags.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: ratintrap on April 07, 2010, 06:55:31 PM
He is a bit on the arrogant side. :wink:
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 07, 2010, 06:57:00 PM
And my dick's a foot and a half long. :laugh:
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Syphon on April 07, 2010, 07:08:40 PM
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 07, 2010, 06:57:00 PMAnd my dick's a foot and a half long. :laugh:

Okay, time to change the subject. Because we all know which direction (or pants) this is going down.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Joe on April 07, 2010, 07:34:42 PM
Quote from: Syphon on April 07, 2010, 07:08:40 PM
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 07, 2010, 06:57:00 PMAnd my dick's a foot and a half long. :laugh:

Okay, time to change the subject. Because we all know which direction (or pants) this is going down.

Yes indeed, good idea. How about those PPC's that won't run CS5.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 07, 2010, 07:52:51 PM
Hahahahaahahahahaah! You amuse me so Mr. Cannon.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: hotmetal on April 07, 2010, 10:45:23 PM
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 07, 2010, 07:52:51 PMHahahahaahahahahaah! You amuse me so Mr. Cannon.

The Genigraphics workstation I learned in 1981 had a DEC PDP-11 inside. Had a keyboard, mouse, and tablet. Cost $150,000. I'm a certified Geni operator, still have my certificate somewhere. I got $40/hr for freelancing back then. Now we're all just peons...
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: andyfest on April 08, 2010, 06:02:49 AM
April 12th is when Adobe is supposed to do the intro for CS5. I'll be watching for the system requirements that should follow. As far as CPUs, I am probably going to hang on to a couple of our PPCs, and apply for Mac Pro towers for the techs + an imac for preflighting. Most of our large carton clients supply Illy files with PhotoShop supplementals, and most have a history of jumping to the latest versions soon after they are introduced. It's kind of sad that it takes Adobe to force us to upgrade, instead of the company taking the lead to keep us state-of-the-art.

Back in my early days there were no computers - just artboards from the artist and cameras to separate them! Our first foray into computer graphics was a MAC SE circa 1985. I believe we used MacWrite to set text. The program ran from a floppy (what the hell is a floppy?).
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: David on April 08, 2010, 08:18:19 AM
Quote from: Grimace on April 07, 2010, 02:53:47 PM
Quote from: Joe on April 07, 2010, 02:48:22 PMI used to use paper and pencil.

Quill and papyrus.
charcol and cave wall.
finger and dirt.

It's all good.



rocks and dirt
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Grimace on April 09, 2010, 08:53:50 AM
Quote from: andyfest on April 08, 2010, 06:02:49 AM(what the hell is a floppy?).
About 5 1/2 inches. :wink:
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 09, 2010, 09:24:13 AM
Actually, 5.25".  :tongue:
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Farabomb on April 09, 2010, 11:25:22 AM
5.25 floppy is not too shabby.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Joe on April 09, 2010, 11:30:38 AM
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 09, 2010, 09:24:13 AMActually, 5.25".  :tongue:

Don't make me show you my 8" floppy. :wink:
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 09, 2010, 11:45:06 AM
Do you have one? I would kill for one!
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Joe on April 09, 2010, 11:47:08 AM
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 09, 2010, 11:45:06 AMDo you have one? I would kill for one!

No, I didn't save any from my old World Color days. We were still using them when they closed the place down in 2001 but I didn't grab any when I left. Mainly because they had armed guards checking what everyone was taking out.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 09, 2010, 12:09:06 PM
Damn, I wanted one to hang on my pillar at work.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Joe on April 09, 2010, 12:29:55 PM
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 09, 2010, 12:09:06 PMDamn, I wanted one to hang on my pillar at work.

They are in the process of demolition on the old place. If you were to dig through all of the rubble you might find one.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: David on April 09, 2010, 01:08:38 PM
would you like an old Bernoulli drive?
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: David on April 09, 2010, 01:09:14 PM
got some old ass Scitex tapes...



just sayin'
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 09, 2010, 01:21:50 PM
Nah, I just want one of those big ass floppies. No one believes me when I tell them.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: youston on April 09, 2010, 01:50:29 PM
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 09, 2010, 01:21:50 PMNah, I just want one of those big ass floppies. No one believes me when I tell them.

IF ONLY there was a way to type '8" floppy disc"' into some sort of dialogue box or something, hit enter, and have things called 'search results' appear to substantiate your claim. Maybe one day.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 09, 2010, 02:04:14 PM
I know, but usually when it comes up it's on a break, or talking shit somewhere away from a computer. By the time I get around to it, I just don't care. I want one for my wall.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Grimace on April 09, 2010, 04:31:34 PM
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 09, 2010, 09:24:13 AMActually, 5.25".  :tongue:

No wonder my books come out too small, my ruler is jacked up, and I used a really good inkjet to print it too.....
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Joe on April 09, 2010, 04:34:28 PM
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 09, 2010, 01:21:50 PMNah, I just want one of those big ass floppies. No one believes me when I tell them.

Here ya go...5 unused 8" floppy disks for $25.

eBay (http://cgi.ebay.com/8-floppy-disk-Unused-SS-32-Sector_W0QQitemZ180489022273QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Blank_Media?hash=item2a05fbeb41)
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 09, 2010, 04:36:31 PM
Beats digging up a demolished building. I'm all over it.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: gnubler on April 09, 2010, 08:25:47 PM
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 09, 2010, 01:21:50 PMNah, I just want one of those big ass floppies. No one believes me when I tell them.

I remember them well, but some do not. I had a few games stored on floppy floppies in the late 80s that I used to play on my father's state of the art PC. I wonder what the tech specs of that box was. It had a small color monitor (256 and all bitmappy) but it was the coolest thing at the time.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: andyfest on April 11, 2010, 04:07:07 PM
I think all of my old floppies are in the attic in a box beside my laserdisc movies.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: ratintrap on April 12, 2010, 04:39:15 AM
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 09, 2010, 11:45:06 AM
Quote from: Joe on April 09, 2010, 11:30:38 AM
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 09, 2010, 09:24:13 AMActually, 5.25".  :tongue:

Don't make me show you my 8" floppy. :wink:

Do you have one? I would kill for one!

I may be able to find you some of these. :cheesy: (88mb versions)

(http://www.yourdictionary.com/images/computer/SYQUEST.GIF)
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 12, 2010, 05:42:24 AM
I have a whole room full of them Rat, but thanks. 44s, 88s, 200s, 105s, and the 270s and the drives to run them. Still work.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: andyfest on April 12, 2010, 07:07:09 AM
Adobe has posted all CS5 system requirements today at http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/production/systemreqs/ (http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/production/systemreqs/)

As I had read a while ago on the "unofficial" site, it's Intel only and while it will run with 2mB RAM on 10.5.7, they recommend 4mB RAM using 10.6.3 for speed. As Joe wrote a few days ago, shipping is expected to start mid-May 2010.

Looks like we'll be doing a lot of hardware upgrades....
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Joe on April 12, 2010, 08:01:40 AM
I find for best performance it's best to take Adobe's recommended RAM requirements and double that if you are buying new hardware. Just don't buy it from Apple with the new purchase. Get the minimum from Apple and replace it with memory from Other World Computing.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Farabomb on April 12, 2010, 11:26:03 AM
Quick note about RAM. Since DDR3 is the new hottness expect to see the price of DDR2 to increase. The fabs are no longer making as much DDR2 so if you were thinking of upgrading your RAM now would be a good time.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: G_Town on April 12, 2010, 01:28:24 PM
Quote from: andyfest on April 12, 2010, 07:07:09 AMAdobe has posted all CS5 system requirements today at http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/production/systemreqs/ (http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/production/systemreqs/)

As I had read a while ago on the "unofficial" site, it's Intel only and while it will run with 2mB RAM on 10.5.7, they recommend 4mB RAM using 10.6.3 for speed. As Joe wrote a few days ago, shipping is expected to start mid-May 2010.

Looks like we'll be doing a lot of hardware upgrades....

Wow they sure freed up the Ram requirements :grin:
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: DigiCorn on April 13, 2010, 09:04:26 AM
You can never have too much RAM
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: born2print on April 13, 2010, 10:11:02 AM
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 09, 2010, 01:21:50 PMNah, I just want one of those big ass floppies. No one believes me when I tell them.
My friend, I have not one 8" floppy, but a whole brand-new box of 10 - still shrink-wrapped!
We de-commed the Screen scanner a while back and that's one of the things I grabbed  :cool:
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: born2print on April 13, 2010, 01:31:38 PM
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd206/born2print/8inchFloppies.gif)

Picture to prove it, note the 5.5" Sharpie for reference. You said you'd kill for 1 and I've got 11. My list is ready when you are DCS.  :ninja:
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: David on April 13, 2010, 03:42:06 PM
you may have just made a friend...
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Joe on April 13, 2010, 05:03:05 PM
Quote from: born2print on April 13, 2010, 01:31:38 PMPicture to prove it, note the 5.5" Sharpie for reference. You said you'd kill for 1 and I've got 11. My list is ready when you are DCS.  :ninja:

Better be careful. He might kill YOU for your floppies. :laugh:
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: andyfest on April 13, 2010, 05:14:43 PM
Well I put in my capital request for the new hardware and software today. I hope they come thru for me and soon - we are talking non-prepress beancounters though...
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Joe on April 13, 2010, 05:17:25 PM
Quote from: andyfest on April 13, 2010, 05:14:43 PMWell I put in my capital request for the new hardware and software today. I hope they come thru for me and soon - we are talking non-prepress beancounters though...

And I'm sure they'll want to know what is wrong with the G3 jellybean iMac's that still work perfectly. :tongue:
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Tracy on April 13, 2010, 05:22:33 PM
tee hee, are those diskettes from the old step and repeat?
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: andyfest on April 13, 2010, 07:04:10 PM
My mother-in-law still uses a classic old G3 imac and it still does work perfectly. One of our shop's cast-offs.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: gnubler on April 13, 2010, 09:07:41 PM
I have a blue jellybean that will probably end up at a thrift store next week (sorry DCS - that was the one I/we spent way too much time on trying to install OS9 and update OSX). I got it for $50 about 2 years ago and it's been used as an Internet computer ever since. Got my money's worth!
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Joe on April 13, 2010, 09:28:54 PM
Quote from: gnubler on April 13, 2010, 09:07:41 PMI have a blue jellybean that will probably end up at a thrift store next week (sorry DCS - that was the one I/we spent way too much time on trying to install OS9 and update OSX). I got it for $50 about 2 years ago and it's been used as an Internet computer ever since. Got my money's worth!

I've got 11 of them in the back of the server closet. They'll probably still be sitting there 5 years from now because we don't throw anything away that still glows when plugged in.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: gnubler on April 13, 2010, 10:15:32 PM
Quote from: Joe on April 13, 2010, 09:28:54 PMI've got 11 of them in the back of the server closet. They'll probably still be sitting there 5 years from now because we don't throw anything away that still glows when plugged in.

Sounds familiar. Maybe you can nudge your boss/owner to utilize Freecycle or craigslist to unload that junk. They're of no use to your company. The way I always feel about stuff in storage that I'll never use is that somebody, somewhere can use it RIGHT NOW. The free price tag tends to move items quite quickly.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: andyfest on April 14, 2010, 06:46:44 AM
Are they the later model ones Joe? Decent size hard drive? Colours? I have a soft spot for the old bubble G3s and would like to get another one for my collection.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Captain_Type on April 14, 2010, 06:57:41 AM
I used to work on a CompuGraphic PowerView 10, and the output device (photographic paper) used those 8" floppies to store the fonts.

The PowerViews booted from (and saved jobs to) the 5.25" ones.

They went out of business because it galled the owner to have to buy the fonts again that he had already paid $20k for.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Joe on April 14, 2010, 09:46:10 AM
Quote from: andyfest on April 14, 2010, 06:46:44 AMAre they the later model ones Joe? Decent size hard drive? Colours? I have a soft spot for the old bubble G3s and would like to get another one for my collection.

Some older, some newer. On one the ethernet doesn't work. Three of them have monitors going bad but we used them for quite a while by hooking up an external monitor and covering it's own monitor with a black film bag. I'm not sure of the speeds for the ones that everything is still working on. They vary I'm sure. I know the biggest hard drive was 20 gb in them new but I know I replaced the HD in some of them and I think it was 40 gb drives we put in those. I think ram is in the 256K range...maybe a little more in some.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: born2print on April 14, 2010, 10:49:26 AM
Quote from: Tracy on April 13, 2010, 05:22:33 PMtee hee, are those diskettes from the old step and repeat?
Ah, your old baby! No, they were data disks from the drum scanner.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: born2print on April 14, 2010, 02:17:02 PM
Where you at DCS?  :undecided:
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: David on April 15, 2010, 07:45:25 AM
hiding the bodies, I would guess...
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: DigiCorn on April 15, 2010, 08:31:12 AM
Quote from: Joe on April 13, 2010, 09:28:54 PMI've got 11 of them in the back of the server closet. They'll probably still be sitting there 5 years from now because we don't throw anything away that still glows when plugged in.
Are they the ones with the bulging caps, or are they actually functional? I probably have a use for two or maybe three of them, if I don't have to fix the caps. Especially if there's no problem with airport.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Joe on April 15, 2010, 08:46:41 AM
As I said earlier...

QuoteSome older, some newer. On one the ethernet doesn't work. Three of them have monitors going bad but we used them for quite a while by hooking up an external monitor and covering it's own monitor with a black film bag. I'm not sure of the speeds for the ones that everything is still working on. They vary I'm sure. I know the biggest hard drive was 20 gb in them new but I know I replaced the HD in some of them and I think it was 40 gb drives we put in those. I think ram is in the 256K range...maybe a little more in some.

I don't really know about any caps. I thought that problem was just with some cheap PC motherboards. And these are airport capable but none of them have the airport card. That wasn't a standard option back then.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: DigiCorn on April 15, 2010, 09:01:55 AM
Quote from: Joe on April 15, 2010, 08:46:41 AMAs I said earlier...

QuoteSome older, some newer. On one the ethernet doesn't work. Three of them have monitors going bad but we used them for quite a while by hooking up an external monitor and covering it's own monitor with a black film bag. I'm not sure of the speeds for the ones that everything is still working on. They vary I'm sure. I know the biggest hard drive was 20 gb in them new but I know I replaced the HD in some of them and I think it was 40 gb drives we put in those. I think ram is in the 256K range...maybe a little more in some.

I don't really know about any caps. I thought that problem was just with some cheap PC motherboards. And these are airport capable but none of them have the airport card. That wasn't a standard option back then.

ok... pass! thanks, though (I only glanced at the last page of this thread; thought I had read the rest before - sorry I missed that earlier post)
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Joe on April 15, 2010, 09:17:44 AM
Quote from: digital@sig-1.com on April 15, 2010, 09:01:55 AM
Quote from: Joe on April 15, 2010, 08:46:41 AMAs I said earlier...

QuoteSome older, some newer. On one the ethernet doesn't work. Three of them have monitors going bad but we used them for quite a while by hooking up an external monitor and covering it's own monitor with a black film bag. I'm not sure of the speeds for the ones that everything is still working on. They vary I'm sure. I know the biggest hard drive was 20 gb in them new but I know I replaced the HD in some of them and I think it was 40 gb drives we put in those. I think ram is in the 256K range...maybe a little more in some.

I don't really know about any caps. I thought that problem was just with some cheap PC motherboards. And these are airport capable but none of them have the airport card. That wasn't a standard option back then.

ok... pass! thanks, though (I only glanced at the last page of this thread; thought I had read the rest before - sorry I missed that earlier post)

No problem. They are pieces of crap. The bosses think we can actually sell them. Would probably have better luck removing the guts, siliconing all the openings and selling them as aquariums.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: DigiCorn on April 15, 2010, 09:44:21 AM
You should do that. Start a new fad. The iFish... or iTank
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Joe on April 15, 2010, 09:48:11 AM
Too late...

(http://www.mmug.net/images/aquarium1.jpg)
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Farabomb on April 15, 2010, 10:12:24 AM
The cheap capacitor problem affected far more than just "cheap PCs". A lot of the higher end ABIT and ASUS MB's were affected as well as a lot of the vid card makers. Basically any company that sourced their caps from china around that time were affected.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: DigiCorn on April 15, 2010, 10:25:25 AM
Quote from: Joe on April 15, 2010, 09:48:11 AMToo late...

(http://www.mmug.net/images/aquarium1.jpg)

They should have left the motherboard and the RAM in there for a nice coral reef effect.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: born2print on April 15, 2010, 11:29:19 AM
Quote from: david on April 15, 2010, 07:45:25 AMhiding the bodies, I would guess...
Or, you know, "bizzy"  :cheesy:
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 22, 2010, 01:16:17 PM
I am in awe of 8! I MUST have one!
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: born2print on April 22, 2010, 01:46:31 PM
I'll trade you for that naked picture of [redacted]
cool?
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 22, 2010, 01:48:57 PM
Done.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: frailer on April 22, 2010, 06:11:45 PM
Are people talking the Blue'n'White G3 tower? Or the Bondi Blue iMac? I reckon the Blue-n-White G3 tower will become a collectible design icon, if it isn't already. We had one in here when we bought our 1st round of in-house stuff in '04,; it ran a Harlequin RIP to a Screen FTR filmsetter. I was close to tears when they wrenched it away from me.  I could have re-purposed it as an 'art installation' at home.   :laugh:
Quite a guy, Jonathan Ive.
May try and take some pics of Bondi over the weekend...see if I can capture the blue.   :undecided:
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: ratintrap on April 23, 2010, 08:41:17 AM
Quote from: frailer on April 22, 2010, 06:11:45 PMAre people talking the Blue'n'White G3 tower? Or the Bondi Blue iMac? I reckon the Blue-n-White G3 tower will become a collectible design icon, if it isn't already. We had one in here when we bought our 1st round of in-house stuff in '04,; it ran a Harlequin RIP to a Screen FTR filmsetter. I was close to tears when they wrenched it away from me.  I could have re-purposed it as an 'art installation' at home.   :laugh:
Quite a guy, Jonathan Ive.
May try and take some pics of Bondi over the weekend...see if I can capture the blue.   :undecided:

I've got one at home. :wink:
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: David on April 23, 2010, 11:17:21 AM
me too (blue & white G3), sitting in a closet, while my MDD G4 hums along on the desk, just put a new 250 gig hard drive in it and stuck in a smidge more ram.

WOO HOO!





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Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: hotmetal on April 23, 2010, 04:18:55 PM
Quote from: david on April 23, 2010, 11:17:21 AMme too (blue & white G3), sitting in a closet, while my MDD G4 hums along on the desk, just put a new 250 gig hard drive in it and stuck in a smidge more ram.

WOO HOO!

I just set the stripped hulk of my blue & white G3 out with the recycling the other week (Minneapolis picks up CPUs and monitors with the recycling) and now my main home machine is a 2x1.25GHz MDD with max ram I got cheap on ebay. "Hums along" is putting it mildly!
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: David on April 26, 2010, 07:36:43 AM
yeah, the only thing that slows My MDD down is when the wifey pops open iPhoto with all eleventybilion photos in it.

I have the CS3 suite installed on it (deleted Quark off of it years ago) as well as the MS office suite, and it still purrs like a kitty.

 :cool:
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: tapdn on April 26, 2010, 08:02:32 AM
My old 500 APG with a gig of ram still purrrs (loud) along nicely. With a 200GB HD use mainly for network storage. Gave the son my original iMac and the old souped-up G3 for playing OS 9 games.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Possum on April 26, 2010, 01:40:29 PM
I'm STILL using a blue & white G3 running a Harlequin RIP. Was running a Screen FTR, now it's hooked to a Katana.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: frailer on April 27, 2010, 01:11:01 AM
Quote from: Possum on April 26, 2010, 01:40:29 PMI'm STILL using a blue & white G3 running a Harlequin RIP. Was running a Screen FTR, now it's hooked to a Katana.

We had a Katana...FTR-3050.  I'm hearing Twilight Zone music.  They are incredible units. The user console was a bit cryptic, but beyond that...bullet-proof.
Was a great transition into this stuff, for us.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: beermonster on April 27, 2010, 06:40:05 AM
same here possum/frailer - i had that katana - superb kit - thing is - it was B2 and we have B1 presses...../ :undecided:
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Possum on April 27, 2010, 01:41:26 PM
I loved the Screen FTR 3035, I think it was. When it was initializing, it had little faces on the control panel, a little dot matrix screen. The little face would have his eyes closed, then open, then he'd yawn, then the machine was online. The Katana has the same display and controls, but the little guy is gone.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: frailer on April 27, 2010, 04:43:01 PM
Quote from: Possum on April 27, 2010, 01:41:26 PMI loved the Screen FTR 3035, I think it was. When it was initializing, it had little faces on the control panel, a little dot matrix screen. The little face would have his eyes closed, then open, then he'd yawn, then the machine was online. The Katana has the same display and controls, but the little guy is gone.

They should never, ever, get rid of stuff like that. Can mean the difference between sanity and a 'Postal' episode.   :undecided:  Appeals to the inner child, then, by the time you've regressed into la-la land, the homocidal urges towards the dezinger/manager/printer has gone. At least I think that's what happens.

Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 28, 2010, 12:27:48 PM
(https://www.b4print.com/MGalleryItem.php?id=235)
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: frailer on April 28, 2010, 01:42:04 PM

...a little time our hands, the last 3 hours?    :undecided:
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Captain_Type on April 28, 2010, 01:44:12 PM
Jason through the looking glass.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Captain_Type on April 28, 2010, 01:47:56 PM
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 28, 2010, 12:27:48 PM(https://www.b4print.com/MGalleryItem.php?id=235)
Caption contest?

Here's Jason, about to lick an eight-incher.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 28, 2010, 01:49:40 PM
Compliments of Mr. Born2Print. The Holy Grail... an 8" Floppy in MINT condition. My life is now complete, except for acquiring the original '66 Barris Batmobile.

Hahahahaha, I completed the stoke of that lick too. It was yummy.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 28, 2010, 01:50:41 PM
"That hole looks mighty purty."
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Farabomb on April 28, 2010, 02:08:05 PM
This guy?
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 28, 2010, 02:30:27 PM
If you want to know some serious shit about the original Batmobile and it's replicas, go here...

http://www.1966batmobile.com/ (http://www.1966batmobile.com/)
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Farabomb on April 28, 2010, 02:41:06 PM
The brother of the woman that works next to me owns 2 original barris cars. I have pictures of them getting signed by barris somewhere around here.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 28, 2010, 02:42:56 PM
FIND THEM. Nothing in your life right now matters more.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Farabomb on April 28, 2010, 03:45:55 PM
How about the pics for the Rat Rod show where it all happened? it's about 50meg compressed. I can put it up on the FTP if you'd like.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Farabomb on April 28, 2010, 03:50:24 PM
Drag-u-la and looks like youston was there

Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 28, 2010, 03:53:07 PM
Quote from: Farabomb on April 28, 2010, 03:45:55 PMHow about the pics for the Rat Rod show where it all happened? it's about 50meg compressed. I can put it up on the FTP if you'd like.

I would indeed. You could always upload them to www.sendspace.com (http://www.sendspace.com) and send me the link. Or FTP, whichever is easier for you.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Farabomb on April 28, 2010, 03:58:39 PM
I'm about to bug out of here so I'll put them up tomorrow or maybe I'll signup for sendspace. Never used it before but have been meaning to.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: youston on April 28, 2010, 04:41:17 PM
Quote from: Farabomb on April 28, 2010, 03:50:24 PMDrag-u-la and looks like youston was there

Zoinks! The van broke down in this spooky auto show!
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: frailer on April 28, 2010, 04:51:23 PM
Quote from: Farabomb on April 28, 2010, 03:58:39 PMI'm about to bug out of here so I'll put them up tomorrow or maybe I'll signup for sendspace. Never used it before but have been meaning to.

SendSpace is great. Make sure you install the Wizard...makes it a quick no-brainer...
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 28, 2010, 05:53:10 PM
Quote from: Farabomb on April 28, 2010, 03:58:39 PMI'm about to bug out of here so I'll put them up tomorrow or maybe I'll signup for sendspace. Never used it before but have been meaning to.

Ahhh, that's the beauty of sendspace... no membership required. Jacket's are required, however.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: frailer on April 28, 2010, 07:12:15 PM
Our Glorious Head Office blocks SendSpace, but allows YouSendIt.      :huh:      I think Moss must be lurking in the basemant again.    :evil:
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 28, 2010, 07:15:20 PM
I used to use YouSendIt exclusively. Not since I found sendspace. I have tried others, but it is by far the most reliable.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: frailer on April 28, 2010, 07:38:44 PM

Agreed. But I still can't use it for Head Office sends... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 28, 2010, 07:41:56 PM
I pray for your soul kind sir.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Farabomb on April 29, 2010, 09:02:30 AM
Uploading to sendspace as I type. I'll post the URL when it's up. Frailer, if you want the pics I'll upload to my FTP and PM you the info is you want.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Farabomb on April 29, 2010, 09:17:18 AM
Here you go. Heh heh, it says poon.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/poonn1 (http://www.sendspace.com/file/poonn1)
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: ratintrap on April 29, 2010, 10:47:48 AM
Quote from: frailer on April 28, 2010, 07:12:15 PMOur Glorious Head Office blocks SendSpace, but allows YouSendIt.      :huh:      I think Moss must be lurking in the basemant again.    :evil:

I don't think anyone else gets that joke.

Frailer, did you see the episode where Roy has to pretend that he's disabled? That's one of the funniest things I've ever seen. :laugh:
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: frailer on April 29, 2010, 04:55:37 PM
Thanks Farabomb...downloading.

Yep, rat, funny as...  My daughter is a big fan, so gets the DVDs as soon as they're out.   :grin:  Some small compensation for the $$ that have been flowing the other way for years.   :laugh:
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: frailer on April 29, 2010, 09:01:24 PM

                   Now this would do me for my drive to work.   :grin:
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: hotmetal on April 30, 2010, 12:04:17 AM
speaking of 8" floppies, anyone have a drive that might actually read an 8" floppie? I have an 8" disk with my Genigraphic portfolio on it sitting in front of me that I'd give... a lot... to get the files off of. I've treated it pretty carefully over the years. Lotta years. Printout stuck in the sleeve sez: 

Directory DYO:[200, 200]
13:OCT-87 21:57

Also sez: 

Total of 197./197. blocks in ad, files
>:
>:--------------------
>:
>:
>: End of USE SOR
>: <EOF>
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 30, 2010, 09:25:39 AM
Quote from: Farabomb on April 29, 2010, 09:17:18 AMHere you go. Heh heh, it says poon.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/poonn1 (http://www.sendspace.com/file/poonn1)

Thank you sir. Downloading now.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Farabomb on April 30, 2010, 09:42:45 AM
Good choice frailer. I've always liked the old vettes over the newer ones. Not that I wouldn't mind a new Z06. little story about that show. It's a invite only show on some guys farm here in jersey. No trailers allowed, the cars must be driven there. Entry fee is at least a case of beer. I have yet to go but the pressman here has gone the last 3 years. I'm going to do my best to go this year but I might be away but I should be able to get pictures at least. That year Barris was there and the pressman's girlfriend's brother owns 2 barris cars so he was made to come down with his cars. It wasn't his choice.  :shocked:
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on April 30, 2010, 10:38:31 AM
Very nice pictures F-Bomb. Nice to see Barris looks well. Thank you.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Farabomb on April 30, 2010, 01:36:56 PM
I didn't take them but I shall pass along the compliments.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: DigiCorn on December 17, 2010, 12:15:09 PM
We're cleaning out our storage garage; apparently there's a blue iMac in there - works perfectly (used to host PrintSmith). Make us an offer.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: gnubler on December 17, 2010, 12:59:04 PM
Quote from: digital@sig-1.com on December 17, 2010, 12:15:09 PMWe're cleaning out our storage garage; apparently there's a blue iMac in there - works perfectly (used to host PrintSmith). Make us an offer.

I see them for free or almost free on craigslist. Those jellybeans run so freakin' loud.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Joe on December 17, 2010, 01:01:29 PM
Not worth the shipping costs even if it's across the street. I've got 9 of them in my server room closet sitting on the floor gathering dust.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Pone on December 17, 2010, 01:26:21 PM
Must be a print shop mascot, we have one sitting under the light table, like a translucent blue pet. I was going to put a bow on it for Christmas.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: frailer on December 17, 2010, 02:42:39 PM
The Bondi Blue ones must have been the big seller.   :undecided:  Instead of a fishbowl conversion, what about a kind of Jetsons playhouse. Or a Barbie in Space playhouse.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: gnubler on December 17, 2010, 02:49:27 PM
My iMac was the Graphite model, bought it new in 2001 some time.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: David on December 17, 2010, 03:50:27 PM
we got a few laying in a closet somewhere, a blue one, pink and I think an orange one.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: G_Town on December 20, 2010, 09:01:34 AM
Wasn't the Bondi blue the original imac with the other flavors coming later?
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Joe on December 20, 2010, 09:12:08 AM
Quote from: G_Town on December 20, 2010, 09:01:34 AMWasn't the Bondi blue the original imac with the other flavors coming later?

QuoteThe original Apple iMac - Bondi (Rev. A & B), based on the Columbus architecture, features a 233 MHz PowerPC 750 (G3) processor, 512k backside level 2 cache, 32 MB of RAM, a 4.0 GB EIDE hard drive, and either ATI Rage IIc graphics with 2 MB of VRAM or ATI Rage Pro Turbo graphics with 6 MB of VRAM packed in a "bondi blue and ice" colored, "retro futuristic" all-in-one case design with a 15-inch "crystal clear" CRT display.

Apple promoted the iMac as a revolutionary new Mac for the Internet age, hence the "i" prefix, and it was unique not only for its look, but also for being the first Mac to include USB ports -- a then new standard from the Wintel world with support for up-to 127 devices -- replacing SCSI, ADB, and Mac serial ports. It also was unique as it was the first Mac to lack a floppy drive.

The "revision A" iMac (M6709LL/A) and "revision B" iMac (M6709LL/B) are identical with the exception of graphics systems. The "revision A" model -- introduced May 6, 1998 and shipped August 15, 1998 -- has ATI Rage IIc graphics with 2 MB of VRAM and the "revision B" model -- introduced October 26, 1998 -- has ATI Rage Pro Turbo graphics with 6 MB of VRAM.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: DigiCorn on December 20, 2010, 10:31:57 AM
I decided I'm gonna take it. I'll wipe the HD and do a fresh install. It'll be the one 'puter at home that my daughter can trash.
Title: Re: Good-bye PPC's??
Post by: Chilbear on December 20, 2010, 12:59:20 PM
If you are going to swap the HD - the biggest it can see is 128 GB. I had a purple DV - loved it and was a sad day when it was recycled.