Quote from: gnubler on July 29, 2011, 09:14:07 AM

Quote from: Sabrina The Turd Polisher on July 29, 2011, 08:43:55 AMI had about 10 beers and 3 cocktails and no dinner.

Forealz? How do you guys do this?

Please teach me the ways.

Drink A LOT of water during the day. Keeps the alcohol from dehydrating your brain and giving you a headache. Have at least one glass of water for each alcoholic drink. Also dilutes the alcohol in your stomach lining so it gets less irritated. Clear alcohol (gin, vodka, etc.) doesn't have coloring so there are fewer irritants to make your stomach upset. Food does help the alcohol absorb into to your body slower, but water is also a good choice, as if your stomach is full, you have less room for alcohol.

Quote from: DigiCorn on July 29, 2011, 09:23:44 AMHave at least one glass of water for each alcoholic drink.

Ya right, that never happens.  :laugh:

Quote from: gnubler on July 29, 2011, 09:14:07 AM

Quote from: Sabrina The Turd Polisher on July 29, 2011, 08:43:55 AMI had about 10 beers and 3 cocktails and no dinner.

Forealz? How do you guys do this?

Please teach me the ways.

you must snatch the pebble, weedhopper.

Quote from: gnubler on July 29, 2011, 09:14:07 AM

Quote from: Sabrina The Turd Polisher on July 29, 2011, 08:43:55 AMI had about 10 beers and 3 cocktails and no dinner.

Forealz? How do you guys do this?

Please teach me the ways.

Corn is right about the water.
How do you do it? Drink every night for about a year. Get totally smashed about 3 times a week. That'll train ye old liver.
Used to be a lightweight until I moved to Savannah.  :embarrassed:

Is everyone in the south an alcoholic?

Maybe I should move.

Quote from: gnubler on July 29, 2011, 10:00:26 AMIs everyone in the south an alcoholic?

Pretty much.  :laugh:

So Christians like the drink? I heard something about the "water into wine" trick.

Quote from: gnubler on July 29, 2011, 10:06:19 AMSo Christians like the drink? I heard something about the "water into wine" trick.

They drink covertly. Since I'm not one of those, it don't matter to me.

Jesus turned water into wine becasue he wanted all the good beer for himself.

Quote from: frailer on July 28, 2011, 08:33:16 PMScreenshot of bound bookie.... This page is about halfway in; far enough to be a real PITA with that border. Sweet as....   :grin:

I'm sold.

nice job frailer!
hope to use that trick someday

we drink, religiously.

Back on topic.  :rolleyes:

So, Frailer... I had a small job come in today, only 32 page, 2@16 off the heatset. It has a crossover for a map on the double-truck, so I figured it would be a good little test, even though it wasn't entirely necessary to apply creep.

I set creep at -.004, then selected the center 2 crossover pages and applied Override Creep - Face creep only. I previewed the impo and it seems to have messed up the crossover. The client supplied 1/4" bleed, I clipped it back to 1/8" but that shouldn't be a problem. It's almost as though, when face-only creep is applied, it justifies the page to the spine as opposed to taking the bleed margin into account. I might be able to remedy it by playing with the page boxes but it shouldn't be that much work. I ended up simply Overriding Creep all together on the two center pages and it lines up perfectly. Such a small page count, it won't matter. Interesting test tho.

Here are screenshots, labeled appropriately.

That's a mighty big mess-up. Something not right there.   :undecided:  So, you went to those pages in the listing and overrode Creep > Apply to Face only? It's as though it's gone whacky with the Bleed, but Bleed shouldn't be in the picture at all.
My job was constructed from Stripping Sheet Templates, with Default Creep set in advance. So I'd made the required sheets, in this case a 4pp landscape sheetwork, and an 8 page sheetwork, saved them to the SST folder, then brought back in and copied as required to construct the job.. Checking 'Apply Default Creep' of course, for the job itself.
On Monday I'll make up a dummy book, lotsa pages, all blank except for a crossover near the centre... see what happens. I may use Lefkoff's 'artwork'.   :cheesy:

If you'd not checked Override Creep, then you'd expect a little bit of your map to disappear into the spine. But it seems to have jumped outwards, giving you double image.     Why I'm thinking it's involved bleed somehow.

Yes, it's definitely because of the bleed. I set the default creep, then went to those 2 pages and clicked "override creep - face creep only"... that's when it went apeshit. And you're correct, with creep on, the map was slightly disappearing into the spine, as expected.

Typically, pages are auto centering based on the defined page size and the spine bleed is disappearing at the spine, as it should. My guess is; when 'face creep' is applied, it factors it based on the absolute page size and disregards the bleed. I went in and did a test after that post with non-bleed pages, just set to the size of the imposed page and it worked just fine. This finding renders the 'face creep' feature virtually useless since in most cases, when a crossover is used, they have included a full bleed as well. Oh well, it's a good idea poorly executed. Back to doing it the old way.

Gotta be a painless workaround on this. Further testing my end. Can you ZIP'n'upload that doc, as you'd bring it into XMF, so I can test? I can't see why it wouldn't work with bleed all round, even with a crossover. We ask for bleed all sides, single pages.   :undecided:   Can't see why bleed-at-spine isn't completely outa the picture, Creep compensation or not.
Shall PM you my email.

....further thoughts. Those PDFs you brought in. Proper page boxes? I know you said you 'set to centre', but is XMF 'seeing' Trim/Bleed/Crop/Media? Could be fouling things up.   :undecided: