Degraded image resolution in press-quality PDF

Started by gnubler, September 14, 2010, 09:18:23 AM

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gnubler

Another question about generating PDFs out of InDesign.

I have an Indy file from a customer with a placed PSD. When I generate a PDF from Indy with the default Press settings I see quality degradation in the PSD when I zoom in in Acrobat. See screenshot babies-press.jpg. This default setting downsamples to 300 dpi - should the image appear that jaggy when zooming in?

Then when I use a custom PDF preset I've made - with compression set to Do Not Downsample and ZIP compression, the image remains sharp & clear no matter how close I zoom in. See babies-noDS.jpg.

The placed PSD is a 300 dpi image, but is scaled down 38% in Indy.

Babies. I love them! I've spent HOURS on this project just so I have an excuse to look at those precious little blessings!

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Quote from: pspdfppdfx on December 06, 2012, 05:03:51 PM
So,  :drunk3: i send the job to the rip with live transparecy (v 1.7 or whatever) and it craps out with a memory error.

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Joe

Well, you wouldn't think it should do this. Is the PSD just an image of the babies? If it is, try making the image a tif and doing the same method.
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jimking

I've seen this happen before and it's annoying. I believe I did save as tiff, eps etc. with no luck. No compression does the trick. I've not figured out why some pics do this others don't at different formats. Not a 16 vers. 8bit issue.

gnubler

Quote from: Joe on September 14, 2010, 09:51:52 AMWell, you wouldn't think it should do this. Is the PSD just an image of the babies? If it is, try making the image a tif and doing the same method.

I'll try that. Was wondering if layered PSD had something to do with it. Will report back, Ninja Masters.
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Quote from: pspdfppdfx on December 06, 2012, 05:03:51 PM
So,  :drunk3: i send the job to the rip with live transparecy (v 1.7 or whatever) and it craps out with a memory error.

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gnubler

Saved as flattened TIFF, no compression, and I still got the jaggy image using the default Press PDF preset. Using a preset with no downsampling & ZIP compression still results in a sharp, crisp image.
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Quote from: pspdfppdfx on December 06, 2012, 05:03:51 PM
So,  :drunk3: i send the job to the rip with live transparecy (v 1.7 or whatever) and it craps out with a memory error.

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Joe

Hmmmm...I'll bet it has something to do with scaling it down 38% and then down sampling. To find out, reduce it 38% in Photoshop and then output a PDF both ways. I think they will both come out sharp.
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gnubler

Scaled down dimensions to 38% in PS, saved new TIFF, replaced in Indy at 100% size. Press preset still resulted in a jaggy image in the PDF.
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Quote from: pspdfppdfx on December 06, 2012, 05:03:51 PM
So,  :drunk3: i send the job to the rip with live transparecy (v 1.7 or whatever) and it craps out with a memory error.

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Joe

Hmmmm....the mystery deepens. Are you exporting or printing PS to distill?
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gnubler

Exporting from Indy. I'll try distilling and see what happens.

This already went to press, I just wanted to find out why the image is being degraded.
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Quote from: pspdfppdfx on December 06, 2012, 05:03:51 PM
So,  :drunk3: i send the job to the rip with live transparecy (v 1.7 or whatever) and it craps out with a memory error.

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Joe

Is it just this image? Others on the same job downsampled OK?
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PrepressCrapFixer

I looked at the default settings for press quality and found that it uses "Automatic (JPEG) " compression for all images.  That could be the issue.
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Joe

Quote from: PrepressCrapFixer on September 14, 2010, 11:26:23 AMI looked at the default settings for press quality and found that it uses "Automatic (JPEG) " compression for all images.  That could be the issue.

Good point. Never use JPEG compression.
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DigitalCrapShoveler

Quote from: Joe on September 14, 2010, 11:44:04 AM
Quote from: PrepressCrapFixer on September 14, 2010, 11:26:23 AMI looked at the default settings for press quality and found that it uses "Automatic (JPEG) " compression for all images.  That could be the issue.

Good point. Never use JPEG compression.

Ditto-Ditto.
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gnubler

Foshizzle. I'll change that to ZIP or something else and see what happens.
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Quote from: pspdfppdfx on December 06, 2012, 05:03:51 PM
So,  :drunk3: i send the job to the rip with live transparecy (v 1.7 or whatever) and it craps out with a memory error.

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Joe

Quote from: gnubler on September 14, 2010, 12:46:16 PMFoshizzle. I'll change that to ZIP or something else and see what happens.

Stick with ZIP. JPEG is evil. Like fonts.
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