Konica Minolta BizhubPro C6501

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Skryber

August 04, 2009, 11:19:25 AM
Anyone have experience with one of these. It might be the most jamming buggy  piece of crap I've ever used. But I'm wondering if it's just ours. The tech is here almost everyday repairing something. I can't get 10 sheets out duplexing without a jam. The Creo imposition software doesn't do what you tell it to do, and it prints cockeyed always. The tray collapses to the floor when you have over an inch of stock on it leaving you with product everywhere. So, is it our machine that is the problem, or all of them?
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delooch

#1
August 04, 2009, 11:29:45 AM
they are so-so, but im a canon guy. we have a BH c351 for a "backup" - god help us if we ever have to rely on that thing. It does OK, except when duplexing, doesnt jam but randomly tumbles/turns page orientation on large jobs. tech says its "an issue being addressed".

Skryber

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August 04, 2009, 01:44:56 PM Last Edit: January 26, 2013, 11:19:48 PM by Skryber
If digital printing fell off the face of the Earth, I would be mentally stable.
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delooch

#3
August 04, 2009, 05:09:32 PM
business being how it is, digital short run is saving my life. this job used to be 50/50 (50% prepress/design and 50% short run production). We oursource all of our long-run process jobs. vendors have become some competitive lately, most of them dont even hit us with graphics/prep charges anymore, thats the main reason why i was here.. We are getting a new Canon c-6000vp in a few weeks as weve killed our clc5100. Im hoping that 6000 keeps me around at least another year.  Ill take what i can get.  Theres nothing out there in this job market, so as they say, the worst day fishing is better than the best day at work.. Ill wear the  badge of copy-jockey as long as i need to.

Skryber

#4
August 04, 2009, 08:06:29 PM
Our money maker is the offset press. We wouldn't be in business without it. The digital presses are good for the short runs like you said, but I think it would take less time and the same amount of money (as far as plates vs click charge) to gang and run, as long as we had enough jobs in at the same time. And we have 2 digital presses and both are screwed up right now. I have to babysit it all day. I can't leave it be and come back to it. But I have to run both sides of the shop, be IT guy, shipping, and cut all digital jobs. I feel like I'm going backwards, it's just all piling up. It's better than no work, but I'm at wit's end right now. There has never been nothing for me to do here.  :banghead:
Sorry, I just have a bad attitude this week. I'm piling up on chores at home, friends piece of junk computer's to fix and no time to do this wedding stuff and I have to have a party in 2 weeks and it's all been adding up.
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Dawn

#5
August 05, 2009, 06:55:46 AM
Skryber I feel for you with this piece of shit machine.  We have the Koni Buzhub Pro C6500 and like you it was constantly screwed up. We used to have service here almost every day.  I was at wits end. Finally we had a different repair guy come in and our problems got less and less. Now we only have him in for our routine cleanings.  New repair guy = problems solved
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gnubler

#6
August 05, 2009, 12:45:42 PM
Quote from: Skryber on August 04, 2009, 11:19:25 AMAnyone have experience with one of these. It might be the most jamming buggy  piece of crap I've ever used. But I'm wondering if it's just ours. The tech is here almost everyday repairing something. I can't get 10 sheets out duplexing without a jam. The Creo imposition software doesn't do what you tell it to do, and it prints cockeyed always. The tray collapses to the floor when you have over an inch of stock on it leaving you with product everywhere. So, is it our machine that is the problem, or all of them?

Prolly all of them. I worked in a shop 2+ years ago that had a similar machine (not sure on the model #) as well as a color machine (don't remember the model). Service tech was in on a daily basis. I'm not exaggerating. The color machine gave us far more problems than the b/w one, but they were both flawed. You're right about the impo software - it sucked. It got to the point where all we could run through the machine was 100# gloss book - everything else caused a catastrophe. Ah, the memories of pulling out little shreds of jammed paper from hot rollers.

It reminds me of Quark. I'm assuming a company tests the hell out of a product to find all the bugs and problems before putting it on the market...and it seems like this crap is being sent to market as-is.

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So,  :drunk3: i send the job to the rip with live transparecy (v 1.7 or whatever) and it craps out with a memory error.

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gnubler

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January 28, 2011, 11:01:53 AM
Quote from: Skryber on August 04, 2009, 01:44:56 PMIf digital printing fell off the face of the Earth, I would be a mentally stable.

A mentally stable what? I don't know about stable, but my desire to kill would be much decreased.
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Quote from: pspdfppdfx on December 06, 2012, 05:03:51 PM
So,  :drunk3: i send the job to the rip with live transparecy (v 1.7 or whatever) and it craps out with a memory error.

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DigiCorn

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January 28, 2011, 11:04:09 AM
Quote from: gnubler on January 28, 2011, 11:01:53 AM
Quote from: Skryber on August 04, 2009, 01:44:56 PMIf digital printing fell off the face of the Earth, I would be a mentally stable.

A mentally stable what? I don't know about stable, but my desire to kill would be much decreased.
My desire to kill Gnubler would wane as well.
"There's been a lot of research recently on how hard it is to dislodge an impression once it's been implanted in someone's mind. (This is why political attack ads don't have to be true to be effective. The other side can point out their inaccuracies, but the voter's mind privileges the memory of the original accusation, which was juicier than any counterargument ever could be.)"
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gnubler

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January 28, 2011, 11:07:24 AM
Quote from: digital@sig-1.com on January 28, 2011, 11:04:09 AM
Quote from: gnubler on January 28, 2011, 11:01:53 AM
Quote from: Skryber on August 04, 2009, 01:44:56 PMIf digital printing fell off the face of the Earth, I would be a mentally stable.

A mentally stable what? I don't know about stable, but my desire to kill would be much decreased.
My desire to kill Gnubler would wane as well.

Dude, I know almost every revealing aspect of your existence. All you know about me is that I maybe live somewhere around New Mexico or Arizona. You don't even know my true gender. (nobody does, not even me)
Hicks • Cross • Carlin • Kinison • Parker • Stone •  Colbert • Hedberg • Stanhope • Burr

"As much as I'd like your guns I prefer your buns." - The G

Quote from: pspdfppdfx on December 06, 2012, 05:03:51 PM
So,  :drunk3: i send the job to the rip with live transparecy (v 1.7 or whatever) and it craps out with a memory error.

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Farabomb

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January 28, 2011, 12:08:57 PM
Quote from: gnubler on January 28, 2011, 11:07:24 AM
Quote from: digital@sig-1.com on January 28, 2011, 11:04:09 AM
Quote from: gnubler on January 28, 2011, 11:01:53 AM
Quote from: Skryber on August 04, 2009, 01:44:56 PMIf digital printing fell off the face of the Earth, I would be a mentally stable.

A mentally stable what? I don't know about stable, but my desire to kill would be much decreased.
My desire to kill Gnubler would wane as well.
You don't even know my true gender. (nobody does, not even me)

One of the great mysteries.
Speed doesn't kill, rapidly becoming stationary is the problem

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Skryber

#11
January 28, 2011, 01:49:22 PM
Why was this thread unleashed again?
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Joe

#12
January 28, 2011, 01:57:49 PM
Quote from: Skryber on January 28, 2011, 01:49:22 PMWhy was this thread unleashed again?

gnubler revived it.
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DigiCorn

#13
January 28, 2011, 02:40:35 PM
Quote from: Joe on January 28, 2011, 01:57:49 PM
Quote from: Skryber on January 28, 2011, 01:49:22 PMWhy was this thread unleashed again?

gnubler revived it.
I would think Gnub would be a "Do Not Revive."
"There's been a lot of research recently on how hard it is to dislodge an impression once it's been implanted in someone's mind. (This is why political attack ads don't have to be true to be effective. The other side can point out their inaccuracies, but the voter's mind privileges the memory of the original accusation, which was juicier than any counterargument ever could be.)"
― Johnny Carson

"Selling my soul would be a lot easier if I could just find it."
– Nikki Sixx

"Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut."
― Ernest Hemingway

gnubler

#14
January 28, 2011, 04:44:48 PM
Quote from: Skryber on January 28, 2011, 01:49:22 PMWhy was this thread unleashed again?

Because I'm in "digital copier" hell and thought of your quote. I have a photographic memory, unlike these machines.
Hicks • Cross • Carlin • Kinison • Parker • Stone •  Colbert • Hedberg • Stanhope • Burr

"As much as I'd like your guns I prefer your buns." - The G

Quote from: pspdfppdfx on December 06, 2012, 05:03:51 PM
So,  :drunk3: i send the job to the rip with live transparecy (v 1.7 or whatever) and it craps out with a memory error.

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