Check out this bad boy. 12 colors. Two cold foil units. 3 coaters. perfector. Goes live in another month.
Holy cow man!
:insert YOOOOGE meme here:
nice...
Williamson used to have a 10 color perfecting Heidelberg- had a total of 16 units with 4 coatings and foil. Massive sheetfed with roll to sheet.
You can make some really nice expensive jobs on them babies.
Good luck!!
I would have to say you have great taste!!! I am a bit biased but that is one hell of a press.
Best,
Mark
All I hear is the sound of money... That thing is a beast. You are going to put out some really nice pieces on that.
wowieeee! shoo wee, you guys hiring? :laugh:
Quote from: Marktonk on May 04, 2018, 08:06:23 PMI would have to say you have great taste!!! I am a bit biased but that is one hell of a press.
Best,
Mark
Mark this comes with a scanning system that scans the sheet and compares to a file from prepress.
They sent me a 12 page document talking reference and inspection level files. I think I get what they are wanting me to send them but I'm not entirely sure.
Quote from: G_Town on May 07, 2018, 02:58:43 PMMark this comes with a scanning system that scans the sheet and compares to a file from prepress.
Awesome checkpoint - however - wouldn't it be better if the RIP would do this prior to plating and making it out to press?
We are supposed to be getting a new 40 inch Heidy as well. It also has onboard colour management and scanning. However, it will require us to move the colour bars from the traditional tail end of the sheet to the front edge of the sheet. 80% of our printing is repeat jobs, so it looks like it will mean rebuilding every layout template for every job that is to be printed. PITA, but it does take any colour guesswork away from the press crews and should solve about 90% of our rejectable issues for colour or colour variation.
We only buy recycled presses here. :cheesy:
Quote from: andyfest on May 08, 2018, 07:00:38 AMWe are supposed to be getting a new 40 inch Heidy as well. It also has onboard colour management and scanning. However, it will require us to move the colour bars from the traditional tail end of the sheet to the front edge of the sheet. 80% of our printing is repeat jobs, so it looks like it will mean rebuilding every layout template for every job that is to be printed. PITA, but it does take any colour guesswork away from the press crews and should solve about 90% of our rejectable issues for colour or colour variation.
Ok, from a color standpoint I see how the scanning would be extremely helpful on-press. Now my color-blind buddy (yes, really actually color blind) can go back to running a press. :rotf:
My mind originally went to scanning for missing elements or reflowed fonts, or wonky transparency issues, etc.. :cane:
Quote from: ninjaPB_43 on May 08, 2018, 07:46:49 AMQuote from: andyfest on May 08, 2018, 07:00:38 AMWe are supposed to be getting a new 40 inch Heidy as well. It also has onboard colour management and scanning. However, it will require us to move the colour bars from the traditional tail end of the sheet to the front edge of the sheet. 80% of our printing is repeat jobs, so it looks like it will mean rebuilding every layout template for every job that is to be printed. PITA, but it does take any colour guesswork away from the press crews and should solve about 90% of our rejectable issues for colour or colour variation.
Ok, from a color standpoint I see how the scanning would be extremely helpful on-press. Now my color-blind buddy (yes, really actually color blind) can go back to running a press. :rotf:
My mind originally went to scanning for missing elements or reflowed fonts, or wonky transparency issues, etc.. :cane:
For that we have a Global Proofing system that was implemented about 2 years ago. We send QC a pdf of the client-supplied file + a pdf of our trapped input file and they are compared to both the imposed Epson proof and the printed sheet. The scanner/computer in the proofing system will check for any differences. It's helpful for missing text/elements, but also can detect blanket smashes and hickeys on the printed sheet from the press. That way the run can be stopped before it really gets going.
Quote from: andyfest on May 08, 2018, 08:49:49 AMFor that we have a Global Proofing system that was implemented about 2 years ago. We send QC a pdf of the client-supplied file + a pdf of our trapped input file and they are compared to both the imposed Epson proof and the printed sheet. The scanner/computer in the proofing system will check for any differences. It's helpful for missing text/elements, but also can detect blanket smashes and hickeys on the printed sheet from the press. That way the run can be stopped before it really gets going.
Nice. I guess it's been long enough out of production facilities for me to have fallen behind on technologies like this... I'm glad to see they're being implemented. The waste was one of my biggest issues when I first got into printing. I always hated how much just went in the trash when a run went south..
Quote from: ninjaPB_43 on May 07, 2018, 03:14:18 PMQuote from: G_Town on May 07, 2018, 02:58:43 PMMark this comes with a scanning system that scans the sheet and compares to a file from prepress.
Awesome checkpoint - however - wouldn't it be better if the RIP would do this prior to plating and making it out to press?
This is more for press defects like smashed blankets, hickeys etc....plates going to press are perfect ;D
Quote from: G_Town on May 08, 2018, 09:21:31 AMPlates going to press are perfect ;D
You like tempting fate, huh? :popcorn:
Quote from: ninjaPB_43 on May 08, 2018, 08:54:31 AMQuote from: andyfest on May 08, 2018, 08:49:49 AMFor that we have a Global Proofing system that was implemented about 2 years ago. We send QC a pdf of the client-supplied file + a pdf of our trapped input file and they are compared to both the imposed Epson proof and the printed sheet. The scanner/computer in the proofing system will check for any differences. It's helpful for missing text/elements, but also can detect blanket smashes and hickeys on the printed sheet from the press. That way the run can be stopped before it really gets going.
Nice. I guess it's been long enough out of production facilities for me to have fallen behind on technologies like this... I'm glad to see they're being implemented. The waste was one of my biggest issues when I first got into printing. I always hated how much just went in the trash when a run went south..
Oh, our guys are still pretty good at making trash....
Quote from: andyfest on May 08, 2018, 11:26:53 AMOh, our guys are still pretty good at making trash....
:gom: :facepalm: :shoots_self:
bird cage liners...
been making 'em since 1975
Yep, we still run daily, weekly, monthly bird-cage-liners on WWII era web presses. See an error on one of these rags and shrug it off... they'll get another chance to get it right next week. :rotf:
Quote from: Ear on May 08, 2018, 02:58:53 PMYep, we still run daily, weekly, monthly bird-cage-liners on WWII era web presses. See an error on one of these rags and shrug it off... they'll get another chance to get it right next week. :rotf:
It doesn't matter how many chances you give them. They always get it wrong. If nothing else they are consistent.
So that's how a modern printshop works? Sorry, I was stuck in 1985.
Hi G Town,
That is Prinect Inspection Control. It will automatically read sheets and deflect ones that it detects has a problem such as hickey, etc.. Just imagine pharmaceutical having a mark that looks like a period......10.0 mg vs 100 mg. You can set 5 levels of inspection sensitivity so that a very important area can have the highest level of review. Reference becomes the target and the sheet is inspected comparing to the reference.
Best,
Mark
Quote from: G_Town on May 07, 2018, 02:58:43 PMQuote from: Marktonk on May 04, 2018, 08:06:23 PMI would have to say you have great taste!!! I am a bit biased but that is one hell of a press.
Best,
Mark
Mark this comes with a scanning system that scans the sheet and compares to a file from prepress.
They sent me a 12 page document talking reference and inspection level files. I think I get what they are wanting me to send them but I'm not entirely sure.
Hi Andyfest,
This is Prinect Inpress Control. It uses spectrophotometry to read the color bar on the fly. The operator programs the desired Delta E and the press will read the sheets and automatically adjust the ink zones towards the digital master file. Once the Delta E is met, the press will automatically start the good sheet counter, monitor the color and adjust if necessary. This also will read and adjust registration. The colorbar is smaller then the standard Heidelberg colorbar so it takes up less real estate but as you stated, it does require a different location so that the spectrophotometers can read it.
Best,
Mark
Quote from: andyfest on May 08, 2018, 07:00:38 AMWe are supposed to be getting a new 40 inch Heidy as well. It also has onboard colour management and scanning. However, it will require us to move the colour bars from the traditional tail end of the sheet to the front edge of the sheet. 80% of our printing is repeat jobs, so it looks like it will mean rebuilding every layout template for every job that is to be printed. PITA, but it does take any colour guesswork away from the press crews and should solve about 90% of our rejectable issues for colour or colour variation.
What you're saying is soon we won't need pressmen to run a press? Just need someone to load it?
Crap, that's another job that's going to get dumped on prepress.
But wait, if prepress is printing the job, who is one to complain to that the plates/job/screen/whatever is fucked up?
Quote from: Farabomb on May 23, 2018, 12:52:09 PMWhat you're saying is soon we won't need pressmen to run a press? Just need someone to load it?
Crap, that's another job that's going to get dumped on prepress.
But wait, if prepress is printing the job, who is one to complain to that the plates/job/screen/whatever is fucked up?
You're looking at it all wrong. This just give prepress more things to be blamed for.
Maybe not. Prepress already gets the blame.
Indirectly though.
"See, I told you it was all prepress' fault all along. This just proves it." :facepalm:
Quote from: Possum on May 24, 2018, 07:50:53 AM"See, I told you it was all prepress' fault all along. This just proves it." :facepalm:
Why didn't someone tell me this before I got into printing, especially prepress work. I would have chosen a different career! :gom:
Nobody chooses printing as a career, it chooses YOU. Much like an anti-biotic resistant STD.