I'm starting to get the Pantone Book Warning, I did copy the Pantone books back when Joe warned us.
what is everybody doing about this?
will the Pantone colors still be in pitstop?
Yes they will still be in Pitstop.
Where are you getting the warnings?
InDesign
Hmmmm...I have the latest version and I'm not getting any warnings and I still have the Pantone libraries. Do you still have the Pantone libraries in InDesign?
yes you might try opening a document that has a spot color?
it looks like the postscript font warning you get down at the bottom
ok yeah I tried it and if you make a document that has a spot, save it and reopen it you will see the warning at the bottom
the warning just pops up once, when you reopen doc it isn't there
it just started happening when I updated
If you click the Learn More button on the error message it says:
After November 2022, the only Pantone Color books that will remain are:- Pantone + CMYK Coated
- Pantone + CMYK Uncoated
- Pantone + Metallic Coated
Customers who rely on Pantone colors in their creative workflows will need a Pantone license via the Pantone Connect plugin available on Adobe Exchange.If you create the spot using one of those libraries you don't get the message.
I am assuming these "needed" are "free" libraries...
LOL
I use the Solid Coated and Uncoated, I think I made screen shots somewhere how to put the colors back
will work?
looks like it will be $60 per year, sheesh next will have to pay for each character that we type
Don't give them any ideas.
Quote from: Tracy on October 25, 2022, 11:11:06 AMI use the Solid Coated and Uncoated, I think I made screen shots somewhere how to put the colors back
will work?
looks like it will be $60 per year, sheesh next will have to pay for each character that we type
That post was 210 characters. If I start charging a dollar a character I would have just made $210. I think this might work for me. :rotf: :banana: :rotf: :banana: :rotf: :banana:
go to Costco and buy in bulk...
:afro:
;D We can call it even I charge for icons! emoji's
Quote from: David on October 25, 2022, 12:43:57 PMgo to Costco and buy in bulk...
:afro:
Quote from: Tracy on October 25, 2022, 12:45:33 PM;D We can call it even I charge for icons! emoji's
You guys are killin' me! :shoots_self:
I'm really doubting putting the Pantone swatches back where they go is going to work?
Depends® if Adobe keeps removing them.
yeah, can't see how I can work without spot colors, they will have to purchase it
Quote from: Tracy on October 24, 2022, 01:21:16 PMI did copy the Pantone books back when Joe warned us.
How do you do this?
Here are the screen shots I got from somewhere ;D
let me know if you have any issues, haven't look at these in awhile
sorry it's low res, I will look over what I got maybe I can clean this up tomorrow
My Illy 2023 and InDD 2023 still have 'em... so far
Dropbox Link to my copies of Indesign, Illustrator and Photoshop Pantone Libraries and some screen grabs of where they reside plus screen grabs of an article about the changes.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/f5229zq0w777r62/AACWR8jbZWDcUITi953ai3RKa?dl=0
Pantone Color books.png
Quote from: born2print on October 26, 2022, 02:27:39 PMMy Illy 2023 and InDD 2023 still have 'em... so far
They will be there until sometime in November 2022. After that the only Pantone Libraries that will still be there are:
- Pantone + CMYK Coated
- Pantone + CMYK Uncoated
- Pantone + Metallic Coated
Those will remain after the purge.
Thank You
Guess they don't want to pay for the rights to link the rest. That would cut into their profits. We can't have that, now, can we? :sarcasm:
Quote from: Possum on October 27, 2022, 12:46:26 PMGuess they don't want to pay for the rights to link the rest. That would cut into their profits. We can't have that, now, can we? :sarcasm:
I think it is more that Pantone wants to get into the subscription
model ripoff than anything else. Everyone wants a piece of the action.
Just saw this article this morning. Looks like we all are in for a big hurt. Pantone hikes Connect pricing. (https://www.printweek.com/product%20news/article/pantone-hikes-connect-pricing) So backup your current libraries now.
last time I posted about the price it was $50, it's up to $90 now
$90 is if you are buying it as an individual for a full year. You can get it for $90 per month per user for a business TEAM plan but you have to have at least 5 users which would be $450 per month for 5 users. A single user business plan will run you $150 per month.
Holy cow! business' will only be able to afford 1, people will have to share the spot color computer ;D
I have a feeling we might have to go back to the days when we would make a "special" color in the design software and then tell the customer to look at a pantone book to see what that color really is. And we would print it to match the pantone book. So the color proof and digital would not be an accurate representation of the pantone color.
From now on we should all reference adobe and pantone with lower case. Neither company is deserving of our respect for what they are doing to the industry right now. adobe with all the stupid updates to add show characters into their start screens and all the other bloatware in the software. And pantone not playing nice with adobe, but that could be a lot on adobe right now too.
or we will rely on pitstop to change the color, another step to fix files
Guaranteed Pantone will probably do the same to other apps. They now crave their piece of the pie.
I am going to go to a subscription based forum profile...
You have to send me money every month to view my most insightful posts
it could work
::)
Quote from: David on November 02, 2022, 03:20:40 PMI am going to go to a subscription based forum profile...
You have to send me money every month to view my most insightful posts
it could work
::)
Well where do I sign up for that? I can't wait.
Good idea. Joe, you can privatize the Joke of the Day thread and add ads... cha-ching!
I used to have ads and they generated about $100 every 3 years. I would have to live for 74,619 years without eating to retire on that. Google gets 99.9% of ad money. That is why I removed the ads a few years ago.
Quote from: David on November 02, 2022, 03:20:40 PMI am going to go to a subscription based forum profile...
You have to send me money every month to view my most insightful posts
it could work
::)
;D I would pay to see your posts!
well, first I have to become insightful, then I need to post stuff.
this sounds like work ...
may need to rethink my plan, I may need a nap
Quote from: David on November 03, 2022, 09:26:21 AMwell, first I have to become insightful, then I need to post stuff.
this sounds like work ...
may need to rethink my plan, I may need a nap
there you go, your first insightful post. 😁
:lmao:
Sorry, gif-only posts don't count. Refund.
damn, foiled again!
If you go to subscription based... I want NIL rights/profits in addition to royalties for anyone I may have or may not have helped. My opinions alone should be subscription based.
We have moved B4Print to subscription pricing: $0.00 per month per user or an annual plan for $0.00 per year per user. We also have business plans available for $0.00 for a site wide license.
do you have Friends & Family pricing?
Group Discount?
can I get a mocha latte extra no foam please?
You ought to also have a subscription just for bosses, supervisors, and managers who want to snoop. $1,000 per month should cover it.
Quote from: Possum on November 04, 2022, 03:33:44 PMYou ought to also have a subscription just for bosses, supervisors, and managers who want to snoop. $1,000 per month day should cover it.
Fixed!
Quote from: Joe on November 04, 2022, 03:57:30 PMQuote from: Possum on November 04, 2022, 03:33:44 PMYou ought to also have a subscription just for bosses, supervisors, and managers who want to snoop. $1,000 per month day should cover it.
Fixed!
I think you're on to something. All members of B4Print should sayd B4Print is a mandatory and necessary requirement, with a yearly fee... something like $99/yr. All our companies pay up the $99, and Joe keeps $49, and sends $50 back to us. It's a win-win!
I'm in!
Someone who backed up the old Swatches told me they could be re-imported into the latest one.
Different approach to what was discussed before which was putting them back in the same file system location.
From what he said, going through the import process via the Swatch worked.
good info! I hope it works!! Thanks
I was on a call today, Pantone and xrite were represented. I learned a little more...
It seems to me that unless you're a content creator, you may survive without Pantone Connect.
You can receive a file with color(s) from the new libraries and use it, just not alter or add colors...
And if the InDD has a psd with PMS colors from there, it may look grey or black on the screen...
Anyways, $90 / year per seat, floating seat even basically...
Our current thought is buy 8 and overkill it or buy 1 or 2 and share. Too early to tell, corporate has yet to negotiate $$
Quote from: Tracy on November 10, 2022, 10:19:24 AMgood info! I hope it works!! Thanks
Heard on another forum that it did.
It appears that Illustrator v 27.00 still has the spot Pantone books, but v 27.01 does not.
omg I want to hold off on the update until someone successfully imports the swatches
or not ;D
then I will know what to do
... went to the Pantone site to get a screen mix of a color... all the values are blurred out so you can't read them unless you have a license for connect
:o
Quote from: David on November 18, 2022, 12:06:44 PM... went to the Pantone site to get a screen mix of a color... all the values are blurred out so you can't read them unless you have a license for connect
:o
I blame Elon.
damn twits...
:))
This last weekend I ran across the Freetone (https://www.culturehustleusa.com/products/freetone) site.
Some might find it interesting.
you have to create an account to download free stuff?
My guess is it is a limitation of his store software.
I created an expiring email on my domain to download it. If I understand the license correctly I am free to distribute it to any non Adobe employee, so feel free do click below.
https://files.emprinting.com/_lB69VLhAZBQNYR
Honestly, I am not even sure it will do me any good, I already have the old books saved, as well as an excel file of the LAB color builds for the Indesign color books.
thanks for sharing!
I'll check it out.
It looks to be just an older color book, no newer colors in it.
If it has 2254U, it would be a newer book, this does not.
and, all the color names... weird
Screen Shot 2022-11-18 at 4.47.47 PM.png
David How did you import it?
just in case ;D
I did this in Illustrator:
Go to your swatches palette
click on the 3 lines at the top right
drag down to Open Swatch Library
drag over and down to Other Library
then navigate to where you downloaded the .ase file
This one is called Freetone when you see it in the list once you import
Not sure about the color names, you may need to renamed them so your RIP will recognize them, they all have the word "sempletone+" in front.
sweet thanks, I will keep this info as a last resort!
Quote from: David on November 21, 2022, 09:55:34 AMI did this in Illustrator:
Go to your swatches palette
click on the 3 lines at the top right
drag down to Open Swatch Library
drag over and down to Other Library
then navigate to where you downloaded the .ase file
This one is called Freetone when you see it in the list once you import
Not sure about the color names, you may need to renamed them so your RIP will recognize them, they all have the word "sempletone+" in front.
Then you do the Hokey Pokey then you turn yourself around, that's what it's all about.
I can't handle more bad news. I found out they are not going to make 12" rulers any longer.
don't need one, everything is about that big. <--->.
8)
https://www.piworld.com/article/pantone-introduces-color-the-year-2023/#ne=8eb95e258535c890ac1da9d4f1c692f6&utm_source=today-on-piworld&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=2022-12-06
Huhh. I'm surprised it's not green. ;)
I'm just curious, since I am currently not in the game; in all honesty, how difficult is it to create a spot color and name it Pantone 358 C or whatever? How does this work on legacy files? Do they still import correctly if you relink? If you open a previous file, will it still show the correct spots? Sorry for asking... my CS got rescinded at home and all I have is CS 5.5...
Don't think about the 1, think about the MANY... >:D
Not being on the TECHNICAL side anymore ... I'll give you my problem for the next 2 months:
We have a customer about to send 150-200 pieces of packaging to address Adobe's phasing out of PS fonts - Cartons, film (bags), labels ... You'd have to go through ALL 40 items that will be printed by you and rename every spot, likely 2-4 on each piece of artwork. As would each vendor (printer) we use for their specialty packaging.
(Note I said "a" customer, there's MANY more!)
It's not something you (prepress) should need to do, it IS possible sure ... but there are NO shortcuts here, every layout must have plates remade as we can't risk a word falling off a nutritional panel in the RIP - I've seen that twice.
It's something we can all work around (likely have), BUT if new files come in and night-shift do them or the other plant does ... will it be the same outcome for every new layout?
Has anyone lost their Pantone's?
I have not lost mine, keep this on the down low tho! ;D
not yet, but the day is still young.
:o
Quote from: Tracy on December 07, 2022, 10:02:12 AMHas anyone lost their Pantone's?
I have not lost mine, keep this on the down low tho! ;D
I just reported you to Adobe. How dare you keep your Pantone colors! >:(
jk
No soup for you!
C:-)
Tequila might fix it?
...it's worth a shot.
Quote from: Joe on December 07, 2022, 10:20:11 AMI just reported you to Adobe. How dare you keep your Pantone colors! >:( jk
Can't wait for the Adobe Police to come around ... better known as "the Boys in PMS289" or "the thin PMS289 line"!
What if it is the Pantone Police that comes?
This panettone will never let you down
"No-justice no-peace! No-pantone Police!"
:iwin:
I guess it's an internet jurisdiction stand-off then ... I wonder whether the PMS and Pantone police would be anorexic or obese?
Non-binary?
May require a hex. Or a decimal.
In other countries I've seen them use a comma instead of a decimal.
Quote from: Tracy on December 07, 2022, 10:02:12 AMHas anyone lost their Pantone's?
I have not lost mine, keep this on the down low tho! ;D
Yup, today I hit the first Wall. 3c Pocket folder we've run before, came over from our Sister Shop. The PDF (exported from Illy) showed as 4c so I opened the AI in Illy 2023 (and also 2022) got the warning about spot colors and sure enough, it converted them to 4c throughout. The Spots
were in the Swatch list, but once I turned on Seps Preview - POOF! Gone.
For kicks I made "fake" Spots called like xxx-PMS 383C, xxx-PMS-431C etc. and they hold to the PDF stage, I imagine they'd RIP too, but that's NO solution. Not with potentially hundreds or thousands of previous job files in our servers.
I'll likely do the .ASE import from a previous version for now (thanks Lammy!!) and I've already told the Owner we'll have to pony up for the Pantone Extortion Plan soon. I just don't know how easy it will be to implement their bullshit plug-in. We have less than 10 users, so at least it won't be too pricy. It's more the hassle and kick in the teeth.
The simple answer is to break the long-standing practice/reliance on using colour book files altogether, and use device-independent Lab Color Picker values to define the spot colour!
More at my blog:
https://prepression.blogspot.com/2022/12/photoshop-2022-pantone-color-book.html (https://prepression.blogspot.com/2022/12/photoshop-2022-pantone-color-book.html)
P.S. I am working on a Photoshop script to help automate this task in Photoshop, however, you need to create a spreadsheet file of the spot colour names and their Lab values.
Long time listener, first time poster (in this thread, anyways). Question: I've been away from the game, but curious - do legacy files import in to CC 2022/2023 with Pantone spot designations? Are you able to create a new personal library, but call out each spot with the same Pantone name (and essentially build the library with each color as you go along)? How does EFI/Fiery XF handle the change?
Quote from: DigiCorn on January 02, 2023, 06:32:10 PMLong time listener, first time poster (in this thread, anyways). Question: I've been away from the game, but curious - do legacy files import in to CC 2022/2023 with Pantone spot designations? Are you able to create a new personal library, but call out each spot with the same Pantone name (and essentially build the library with each color as you go along)? How does EFI/Fiery XF handle the change?
Photoshop updates released in August, September, and October 2022 rendered spot channels referencing unavailable Pantone Color Book files as black.
In the November 2022 update, Adobe changed how legacy spot channels that were referencing unavailable Pantone Color Book files were opened. The legacy colour preview of the existing spot colour is now honoured, despite the referenced .acb file no longer being installed/available.
Photoshop files that are opened in InDesign or Illustrator which use unavailable spot channels will render Gray/Black if colours from the parent colour books are no longer installed.
Changing the spot colour definition to use colour picker Lab colour values (or RGB or CMYK) breaks the "link" to the parent colour book. One can still use the same name it is just the composite preview colour which I am suggesting is redefined away from a colour book.
You can create your own colour swatches, colour books were never easily accessible and Adobe tried to encourage users to avoid creating them for personal use as they were "reserved" for the various ink companies.
I can't comment on EFI, however, generally, all proofing RIPs use a colour lookup table, where the spot colour name in the incoming file is replaced with the better colour build for the proofing queue's paper, ink etc. There should be no change for inkjet proofing or digital presses unless they don't have a lookup. Previously they would use the alternative colour values defined in the spot colour if there was no lookup table entry, the only issue is that now the alternative colour is black/gray.
Again, defining the spot colour values as Lab values would appear to be the best alternative... But what Lab values to use?
We got Pantone connect where I work and OMG is the window huge, takes up way too much space .
Just working at my pp job, do da do, why should i be concerned about this. I am sure i should. I could retire in 2 years 6 months. Will i escape the wrath of the Pantone debacle? Or the type 1 fonts debacle for that matter?
Those notions of suit-up-and-show-up to run out the clock don't work for me I'm afraid. I reckon I have around 10 years to go.
:'( :'( :'(
Quote from: born2print on January 11, 2023, 03:06:04 PMThose notions of suit-up-and-show-up to run out the clock don't work for me I'm afraid. I reckon I have around 10 years to go.
:'( :'( :'(
Don't rush getting old. It kind of sucks.
#TRUTH
Side note:
I have noticed for years that folks that can't wait for Friday / vacation / Christmas / etc etc etc.... are the same people that time flies past them.
It makes sense, if you're not aware, present and content in the moment and instead always living in the future (that doesn't exist by the way) then you never live I guess. :shrug:
Quote from: born2print on January 11, 2023, 03:44:01 PM#TRUTH
Side note:
I have noticed for years that folks that can't wait for Friday / vacation / Christmas / etc etc etc.... are the same people that time flies past them.
It makes sense, if you're not aware, present and content in the moment and instead always living in the future (that doesn't exist by the way) then you never live I guess. :shrug:
Deep.
As long as you don't have a hole in the washtub you will be ok.
Quote from: swampymarsh on January 03, 2023, 12:35:44 AMQuote from: DigiCorn on January 02, 2023, 06:32:10 PMLong time listener, first time poster (in this thread, anyways). Question: I've been away from the game, but curious - do legacy files import in to CC 2022/2023 with Pantone spot designations? Are you able to create a new personal library, but call out each spot with the same Pantone name (and essentially build the library with each color as you go along)? How does EFI/Fiery XF handle the change?
Photoshop updates released in August, September, and October 2022 rendered spot channels referencing unavailable Pantone Color Book files as black.
In the November 2022 update, Adobe changed how legacy spot channels that were referencing unavailable Pantone Color Book files were opened. The legacy colour preview of the existing spot colour is now honoured, despite the referenced .acb file no longer being installed/available.
Photoshop files that are opened in InDesign or Illustrator which use unavailable spot channels will render Gray/Black if colours from the parent colour books are no longer installed.
Changing the spot colour definition to use colour picker Lab colour values (or RGB or CMYK) breaks the "link" to the parent colour book. One can still use the same name it is just the composite preview colour which I am suggesting is redefined away from a colour book.
You can create your own colour swatches, colour books were never easily accessible and Adobe tried to encourage users to avoid creating them for personal use as they were "reserved" for the various ink companies.
I can't comment on EFI, however, generally, all proofing RIPs use a colour lookup table, where the spot colour name in the incoming file is replaced with the better colour build for the proofing queue's paper, ink etc. There should be no change for inkjet proofing or digital presses unless they don't have a lookup. Previously they would use the alternative colour values defined in the spot colour if there was no lookup table entry, the only issue is that now the alternative colour is black/gray.
Again, defining the spot colour values as Lab values would appear to be the best alternative... But what Lab values to use?
Hmmm, sounds like some major "suckage" coming soon, what about designers? Doesn't it all start there? How can they do the creative without a PANTONE subscription?
:o
And this just in.....
Was just informed by one of our top clients that since Adobe won't be supporting type 1 fonts any more..their creative people will be using CC cloud fonts only. I have not had a very good experience using / activating those fonts at times, I can't wait!
QuoteQuote Hmmm, sounds like some major "suckage" coming soon, what about designers? Doesn't it all start there? How can they do the creative without a PANTONE subscription?
You're assuming that they "ever" had a subscription to Pantone colors. Most of my files come in as RGB (including Illy), no spots. It's up to you to fix it and add the spot colors they spec'd.QuoteI have not had a very good experience using / activating those fonts at times, I can't wait!
It's easier than hunting down bizarre fonts on the intertubes, I haven't had a problem activating on my end
Quote from: David on January 12, 2023, 11:22:11 AMQuoteQuote Hmmm, sounds like some major "suckage" coming soon, what about designers? Doesn't it all start there? How can they do the creative without a PANTONE subscription?
You're assuming that they "ever" had a subscription to Pantone colors. Most of my files come in as RGB (including Illy), no spots. It's up to you to fix it and add the spot colors they spec'd.
Wait a minute - huh?? The fuck kinda time would somebody think I have to do THAT, exactly? Go pound sand, that's insanity.
I had to Update my Indesign, I have been putting it off because of the Pantone colors
I have the Pantone Connect but I do not like it.
Customers are obviously updating now! :'(
We were supposed to get Connect...
just living without instead.
Had to update InDD to 2024 as well.