Here we are again, who the fuck is still upgrading Quark??? Got a V12 file here and we're on V11 - any takers?
What is a ver. 12 file? Didn't it go from Quark 10 to Quark 2015? I do have Quark 2015 if you want me to try.
Sorry, it's called Quark 2016 now. :deadhorse:
Quark 2020, it's the new wave... :vomit: :hangme: :vomit:
Crisis averted, client sending new (still shitty Quark) file. Phew, close call!!
Grrrrrrrrrrr
>:(
Quark????? It still lives????? :lmao:
Guys, guys... Quark ain't going anywhere. If they still have 2% of the market share, they are gonna produce more versions looking for that old glory they used to dominate with.
I feel for them in a way. I remember if it wasn't Quark or Freehand, I HATED doing the job.
I knew you were going to get your freehand into there somehow. :rotf:
Quote from: Farabomb on August 12, 2016, 07:58:15 AMI knew you were going to get your freehand into there somehow. :rotf:
It was everyones Freehand. I just knew how to use it. :deadhorse:
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on August 12, 2016, 09:03:20 AMQuote from: Farabomb on August 12, 2016, 07:58:15 AMI knew you were going to get your freehand into there somehow. :rotf:
It was everyones Freehand. I just knew how to use it. :deadhorse:
sigh... the good old days of freehand
Quote from: DPSprint on August 14, 2016, 06:59:14 PMQuote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on August 12, 2016, 09:03:20 AMQuote from: Farabomb on August 12, 2016, 07:58:15 AMI knew you were going to get your freehand into there somehow. :rotf:
It was everyones Freehand. I just knew how to use it. :deadhorse:
sigh... the good old days of freehand
Oh shit, folks, we may have another Freehand fan! :banana:
Now you'll just have to stay on here to reminisce.
Quote from: Possum on August 15, 2016, 09:32:13 AMNow you'll just have to stay on here to reminisce.
I've forgotten more than I care to admit. Dude, I work with is an old Freehand user. First day, we bitched about Adobe for an hour straight. It was JUST like old times.
:drunk3: yes, i used to like quark more than pacemaker, uh i mean ragemaker, uh i mean pagemaker at one point... so was not a quick indesign convert at all. But what I really want to know is who the hell ever had to deal with freehand? Never seen one of those files in my 20 years in this gig.
Quote from: pspdfppdfxhd on August 15, 2016, 03:09:22 PM:drunk3: yes, i used to like quark more than pacemaker, uh i mean ragemaker, uh i mean pagemaker at one point... so was not a quick indesign convert at all. But what I really want to know is who the hell ever had to deal with freehand? Never seen one of those files in my 20 years in this gig.
Depends on where you live and banged Prepress.
In California, it was Quark and Illustrator. In Oklahomo, it was PageMaker and Freehand. Don't ask me... I figured out a long time ago, people have a preference and it usually goes with the grain of the community using them.
I went from PageMaker 2.0 and Corel Draw1.0 to Quark 3 and Illustrator 3 when the business sold. Now the owner wants to change to InDesign, but since we have decades of old files in Quark, I'm not about to do a whole job over just to make a change in a file.
Quote from: Possum on August 15, 2016, 03:28:08 PMI went from PageMaker 2.0 and Corel Draw1.0 to Quark 3 and Illustrator 3 when the business sold. Now the owner wants to change to InDesign, but since we have decades of old files in Quark, I'm not about to do a whole job over just to make a change in a file.
I do NOT blame you.
Especially with all the software we don't have, some jobs I do are just plain easier and faster in Quark by far. Hate to say it, but it's the difference in the way the two apps handle master pages, mostly.
Quote from: Possum on August 15, 2016, 03:56:57 PMEspecially with all the software we don't have, some jobs I do are just plain easier and faster in Quark by far. Hate to say it, but it's the difference in the way the two apps handle master pages, mostly.
Yeah, I know what you mean. Quark was the shizno back in the day. It still could be if InDesign wasn't so damned intuitive and stable.
Like pspdf@ppq$z!fxh#dpdq It took me a while to go from Quark to Indy. I was trained originally on Quack 3 and until the shortcomings of the JAWS PDF engine became evident, I was all quark. After I tired of beating my head against mystery rip errors and too many nightmares of fonts I decided when we were slow to try indy. It wasn't immediate but I found that indy just worked better. The mystery PDF errors went away and I just stopped using quark.
I think if it ain't broke, don't fix it but I also believe that you need to reevaluate your options every once and a while. Film worked for years but if you're at a shop now and running film, keep your resume current. I act like an old man but wisdom tells me to not be blind to other options or you'll be the old man yelling at clouds one day.
Reminds me of the shop where I worked that was having trouble getting rolls of poly plates. The sales geek finally told us we were the last in the US to use those plates, so we just had to wait until they made some more. I just started laughing. The boss didn't think it was funny.
You eventually have to upgrade. You can't put "artisan" or "handcrafted" on your sign until the equipment you're using is at least 125 years old.
We will be changing our sign in a few days. ;D
Guess I could bring my knitting or learn to weave baskets. :old:
One of my former co-workers actually majored in weaving. I wasn't aware that was possible.
Wonder what his/her parents paid for tuition in that place. :lmao:
don't know, but I bet they got some really nice sweaters for christmas...
Quote from: Possum on August 16, 2016, 12:41:50 PMWonder what his/her parents paid for tuition in that place. :lmao:
Probably nothing as it is the normal type of courses for athletic scholarships.
Along with remedial reading and beer appreciation.
She's a bit nutty but actually mild for prepress. I've worked with far more unhinged individuals. I have no idea about college as I only went there to skate and chase women. No need to enroll.
Quote from: pspdfppdfxhd on August 15, 2016, 03:09:22 PM:drunk3: yes, i used to like quark more than pacemaker, uh i mean ragemaker, uh i mean pagemaker at one point... so was not a quick indesign convert at all. But what I really want to know is who the hell ever had to deal with freehand? Never seen one of those files in my 20 years in this gig.
lol
well back in the good old days, freehand was bliss... especially compared to quark and pagemaker... it actually did the stuff you wanted without needing a 500 page manual. But then again i started in the days of scalpels, film and darkrooms, so anything on a computer was a massive saving in time.
I did prefer pagemaker to quark for page layout, so Indesign was a quick convert for me.... but Freehand is where the good stuff started.
Only 20 years, you just a young'n
Quote from: Possum on August 16, 2016, 08:39:50 AMGuess I could bring my knitting or learn to weave baskets. :old:
I do knit!
and dance
and ride motorbikes,
and a few other things best left unsaid
Jill of all trades is me
Quote from: DPSprint on August 16, 2016, 02:56:56 PMQuote from: pspdfppdfxhd on August 15, 2016, 03:09:22 PM:drunk3: yes, i used to like quark more than pacemaker, uh i mean ragemaker, uh i mean pagemaker at one point... so was not a quick indesign convert at all. But what I really want to know is who the hell ever had to deal with freehand? Never seen one of those files in my 20 years in this gig.
lol
well back in the good old days, freehand was bliss... especially compared to quark and pagemaker... it actually did the stuff you wanted without needing a 500 page manual. But then again i started in the days of scalpels, film and darkrooms, so anything on a computer was a massive saving in time.
I did prefer pagemaker to quark for page layout, so Indesign was a quick convert for me.... but Freehand is where the good stuff started.
Only 20 years, you just a young'n
No youngin, 20 years on the computer, about 30 years all in total in graphics, printing. I remember mixing up developer for film trays every morning, waxing pmts to artboards, setting type on a varityper, making traps with mylar on the contact frame, etc. etc. Nope, no youngin here.
Quote from: Possum on August 16, 2016, 07:21:48 AMReminds me of the shop where I worked that was having trouble getting rolls of poly plates. The sales geek finally told us we were the last in the US to use those plates, so we just had to wait until they made some more. I just started laughing. The boss didn't think it was funny.
Oh gawd, we did those poly plates for about 7 years, through a big honkin agfa online processor with an automatic cutter...shudder many years ago but you hit a nerve....ouch
Lordy, PMTs! I started with a Compugraphic with no memory. For lined forms I had to scribe the vertical lines on the negs. Anyone remember film cutters or scribers?
Oh, and I still have a burnisher in my office.
:old: :old: :old: :old:
Quote from: pspdfppdfxhd on August 16, 2016, 03:39:52 PMOh gawd, we did those poly plates for about 7 years, through a big honkin agfa online processor with an automatic cutter...shudder many years ago but you hit a nerve....ouch
That processor was awesome! Ours wasn't plumbed to fresh water so if you let it go a little too long it made Orange Julius®
:cheesy:
I think the only reason I liked Illy better than FH was because of all the times they forgot to give us the .eps'... so no good for output.
Or they would forget the master so no editing...
PITA.
I was very happy when FH4 (or was it 5?) came out and it was just 1 file instead of multiples.
I do not miss fixing all the tiff boxes in Quack to be white.
I do miss making the cat burp on the Pshop 2.5(?) splash screen
or the alien zapping the quark file
Quote from: born2print on August 17, 2016, 09:53:20 AMI think the only reason I liked Illy better than FH was because of all the times they forgot to give us the .eps'... so no good for output.
Or they would forget the master so no editing...
PITA.
I was very happy when FH4 (or was it 5?) came out and it was just 1 file instead of multiples.
I do not miss fixing all the tiff boxes in Quack to be white.
I do miss making the cat burp on the Pshop 2.5(?) splash screen
Things don't change. I still get indy files, just indy files and no art or fonts.
And of course "it works fine on my computer".
Quote from: born2print on August 17, 2016, 09:50:10 AMQuote from: pspdfppdfxhd on August 16, 2016, 03:39:52 PMOh gawd, we did those poly plates for about 7 years, through a big honkin agfa online processor with an automatic cutter...shudder many years ago but you hit a nerve....ouch
That processor was awesome! Ours wasn't plumbed to fresh water so if you let it go a little too long it made Orange Julius®
:cheesy:
Well we had the "plumbed" option, and even had a little crane overhead to assist in lifting the racks for cleaning, but overall, the experience was troubling at best.
Quote from: Possum on August 17, 2016, 07:13:23 AMLordy, PMTs! I started with a Compugraphic with no memory. For lined forms I had to scribe the vertical lines on the negs. Anyone remember film cutters or scribers?
Oh, and I still have a burnisher in my office.
:old: :old: :old: :old:
Oh yes those scribers, now I grieve when a mark is out a hair on a 4000 percent magnification in indd or ai, then i remember the old scriber method and relax a bit.
Quote from: Farabomb on August 17, 2016, 10:29:57 AMQuote from: born2print on August 17, 2016, 09:53:20 AMI think the only reason I liked Illy better than FH was because of all the times they forgot to give us the .eps'... so no good for output.
Or they would forget the master so no editing...
PITA.
I was very happy when FH4 (or was it 5?) came out and it was just 1 file instead of multiples.
I do not miss fixing all the tiff boxes in Quack to be white.
I do miss making the cat burp on the Pshop 2.5(?) splash screen
Things don't change. I still get indy files, just indy files and no art or fonts.
And of course "it works fine on my computer".
Like when we ask the custy to make a new PDF but embed the fonts this time, they ask, "why can't you embed the fonts?"
None of my customers are smart enough to say that and arrogant enough to not ask for help. There I am, 3 weeks later waiting for a file that will have the same problems.
Quote from: pspdfppdfxhd on August 16, 2016, 03:33:28 PMNo youngin, 20 years on the computer, about 30 years all in total in graphics, printing. I remember mixing up developer for film trays every morning, waxing pmts to artboards, setting type on a varityper, making traps with mylar on the contact frame, etc. etc. Nope, no youngin here.
lol, yeap the good old days of dermititus from the bromide developer, I remember it well.
I did enjoy being a camera operator though... and many of the quiet times when the boss would walk in to find all the camera op's playing cards in the dark room, shake his head and walk out, hehe.
or nearly falling asleep as I was touching up the negs on a light table with that brown opaque paint.
or stirring the molten lead in a pot to make new stamping blocks
actually I think I prefer computers now!
cos I get to communicate and reminise all over the world with all you lovely people!
31 years for me since the apprenticeship days
over 40 years here... more headaches than I can count...
I started out as camera operator as well, tray developing film.
Anyone remember "PAN" film when you needed a green safelight?
YES! But we didn't have the green light so when we used pan film we had to work in complete darkness.
Kinda like prepress now :cheesy:
I like your avatar DPSprint.
I was gifted 2 sixers of stout and porter and a bottle of cab yesterday by a sales rep (he said from client but I wonder if it was from him but he knows I don't like taking personal gifts from reps. Bring a snack for the whole crew if you want to be cool)
anyway, the bottle of wine tried to open itself in the boot of my car! Must have gotten too hot!
I am so glad it didn't, that is the worst mess next to a sick dog maybe. Plus, it was a very nice cab (once I got it back to room temp in the fridge) I looked it up and it's like $20 retail. I usually don't spend that much :cool:
Quote from: born2print on August 18, 2016, 01:39:31 PMYES! But we didn't have the green light so when we used pan film we had to work in complete darkness.
Kinda like prepress now :cheesy:
Same here. I had a guy I was training open a box of pan film with the fluorescent lights on. He quickly slammed it shut and said "Do you think that was open long enough to expose the film?" I said "no I'm sure you are faster than the speed of light. I think it will be ok".
:lmao:
:lmao:
:lmao: :lmao:
cos those last comments deserve several laughs!
yes I remember pan film, and no green light...
just had to pretend I was blind, like the printers :sarcasm:
Does Q12 still have the little robot?
I'll try the version we have tomorrow, fucking job's already come back twice with cx, so even with me slamming the Quark PDFs into InDesign to get it the DI, I'm sure I'll have to open it again.
Quote from: DigiCorn on August 18, 2016, 05:40:09 PMDoes Q12 still have the little robot?
Can't they any better than that cheezy effect. Looks like an animation from an old atari video game. Why not just put pac-man in there.
Quote from: pspdfppdfxhd on August 19, 2016, 06:09:35 AMQuote from: DigiCorn on August 18, 2016, 05:40:09 PMDoes Q12 still have the little robot?
Can't they any better than that cheezy effect. Looks like an animation from an old atari video game. Why not just put pac-man in there.
Sorry, it's half day friday and I'm getting thirsty.
Can't they do any better than that cheezy effect. Looks like an animation from an old atari video game. Why not just put pac-man in there.
Quote from: DigiCorn on August 18, 2016, 05:40:09 PMDoes Q12 still have the little robot?
Yup, he's the one hitting the keys.
Quote from: pspdfppdfxhd on August 19, 2016, 06:12:48 AMQuote from: pspdfppdfxhd on August 19, 2016, 06:09:35 AMQuote from: DigiCorn on August 18, 2016, 05:40:09 PMDoes Q12 still have the little robot?
Can't they any better than that cheezy effect. Looks like an animation from an old atari video game. Why not just put pac-man in there.
Sorry, it's half day friday and I'm getting thirsty.
Can't they do any better than that cheezy effect. Looks like an animation from an old atari video game. Why not just put pac-man in there.
That's a shame. Can't they up the ante with their Easter Eggs? Maybe more people would buy it.
I still miss the ones from Illustrator 5. In the bottom left corner, you could get these little eyeballs that followed the cursor movement and blinked every once in a while.
Remember from Mac 0S7 I think, when you could get Oscar the Grouch to sing, "I love trash," every time you threw something away?
Quote from: DigiCorn on August 22, 2016, 05:32:20 PMRemember from Mac 0S7 I think, when you could get Oscar the Grouch to sing, "I love trash," every time you threw something away?
funny how its the little things that made us smile!
And now it's only :drunk3: liquor :drunk3:
I used to have an imagesetter with a small dot matrix display. When you turned it on, it would show a little face, it would open its eyes wide, then yawn. I miss that sense of humor.
Right! Computers used to be fun, what the hell happened?
Quote from: born2print on August 23, 2016, 01:47:44 PMRight! Computers used to be fun, what the hell happened?
people "learned" to use them... :hangme: