Guess what I am doing right now... installing QuarkXpress 2018!
Because your tired of slow responsiveness of Indesign??
nope, he has a death wish...
I gotta say, the adobe programs are getting slower with each update. I checked the Activity Monitor, and with them all running (INDD, AI, PS and Acrobat DC) I'm only using about half of my 16gb RAM. Its still slow. Not quite powering on a Windows 95 machine slow, but close.
Quote from: david on April 10, 2019, 11:30:00 AM
nope, he has a death wish...
One of our clients, an old guy who has been using Quark forever bought a new computer and had to update. We get quite a bit of work from him and he is not confident he'll ever learn InDesign so...
It's ok. I've been dealing with his "files from hell" for about 20 years. Hopefully Quark might have improved since version 9 but then again, I may be whistling dixie.
I knew this thread would get a quick and violent response! :drunk3:
Quote from: pspdfppdfxhd on April 10, 2019, 11:38:14 AM
Hopefully Quark might have improved since version 9 but then again...
you must be on drugs...
either that or the drugs are wearing off
:lmao:
Last time i installed quark i ended up formating osX ( 10.4 was it, if i remember right ).
But most probably i did something wrong.... :D
Quote from: david on April 10, 2019, 04:14:18 PM
Quote from: pspdfppdfxhd on April 10, 2019, 11:38:14 AM
Hopefully Quark might have improved since version 9 but then again...
you must be on drugs...
either that or the drugs are wearing off
:lmao:
Oh yeah, if only there was a drug that would help. :drunk3:
I am hoping that 2018 will handle pdf's better. This guy drops pdf ads in his publication in version 9 and every one has to be rasterized in photoshop and replaced. Quark 9 can butcher up pdfs.
I'll keep y'all posted. You may run into this down the road somewhere, God forbid.
Hmmmm, full res previews, color looks right. In Quark 9 the color was terrible. Even when fidgeting with the color management settings.
Now lets see how pdf export works, fingers crossed.
Well not quite full res previews but a lot better.
Viewing color on pdfs or eps's way off. Had to tinker with color mangement, seems ok.
Crashed 1x.
Exported pdfs look good, may not have to rasterize ads any more. Fingers crossed.
Been dealing with "Quark suckage" for over 20 years so this upgrade may actually help.
Fingers crossed.
I have never used a newer version of quark
Prolly works pretty good with a good monitor
ok, calm down everybody :laugh:
We have one customer still using Quark 8. He can't send us a PDF because he places PDF's into Quark and they come out funky so he still sends his Quark files, links, and fonts. Of course there are always links and fonts missing. We have Quark 8 also. But somehow we can make a PDF with those PDF's in the Quark document and they look fine. Hmmm...could it be he is just too lazy to figure it out? If I were king I would tell him to send GOOD pdf's or find another printer. Of course if I were king I would have no customers.
:facepalm:
Never thought I would see the day when we'd update Quark. And it seems a whole lot better at this point. (fingers crossed).
Just never can tell in this life. It's like a box of chocolates.......... :drunk3:
Seems to handle .psd's ok, exported one with transparency. Looks ok. Fingers crossed. Don't wanna feel this way -----------> :facepalm: any time soon.
Update, september 2022... quark not handling newer pdfs well at all. Hate this program, just sayin. Again.
They need to get moving. System developers have to keep up with Adobe's new versions, not the other way around.
I can't even remember the last time we saw a Quark file come through it's been years.
And never want to, honestly.
Quote from: pspdfppdfxhd on September 23, 2022, 04:50:44 PMUpdate, september 2022... quark not handling newer pdfs well at all. Hate this program, just sayin. Again.
Update October 19, 2022, Quark sucks big time at least for pp work. Is there some arena of life where it shines?
;D I remember when I didn't want to learn InDesign
Quote from: Tracy on October 20, 2022, 08:11:31 AM;D I remember when I didn't want to learn InDesign
Me too. Resisted for a long time. I think it was the pagemaker becoming inDesign thing.
Pagemaker was almost as bad as Publisher, and early indesign was just as bad.
sheesh how did we do it?
Quote from: madbugger on October 20, 2022, 10:51:37 AMQuote from: Tracy on October 20, 2022, 08:11:31 AM;D I remember when I didn't want to learn InDesign
Me too. Resisted for a long time. I think it was the pagemaker becoming inDesign thing.
Pagemaker was almost as bad as Publisher, and early indesign was just as bad.
InDesign 1.5 was still pagemaker just with a different name. InDesign 2.0 changed the page layout world.
Quote from: Joe on October 20, 2022, 12:23:05 PMQuote from: madbugger on October 20, 2022, 10:51:37 AMQuote from: Tracy on October 20, 2022, 08:11:31 AM;D I remember when I didn't want to learn InDesign
Me too. Resisted for a long time. I think it was the pagemaker becoming inDesign thing.
Pagemaker was almost as bad as Publisher, and early indesign was just as bad.
InDesign 1.5 was still pagemaker just with a different name. InDesign changed the page layout world.
I was dragged kicking and screaming towards using Indesign. Finally rolled over and started using it from CS3. As a shop that had around 10,000 legacy quark files it was a long and slow journey to Indesign.
I think we still have about 5 or so jobs that are a quark file that we still print. They haven't changed in 20 years, and are now a quark generated pdf that has been placed into Indesign and output from there. Very minor changes are just pasted over the top, anything more than simple changes and we recreate in Indesign.
I have an old G5 Mac that still has quark 4.1 on it that is used for absolute emergencies, but I can't remember the last time it was turned on, probably about 5 years ago.
There were things that quark used to do 15 yrs ago that were still done better then than what Indesign currently does, but not that many anymore. It was a brilliant program in its day, it just got steamrolled by the Adobe juggernaut.
I remember the deal we got at the time - Upgrade to CS3 for the price of a Photoshop upgrade if you had a photoshop licence, which just about everyone had. It was the start of the end of Quark.
A large media organisation here in Australia was Quark based, I'm talking upwards of 4000 licences, probably not a lot by American standards, but fairly substantial nontheless. When they changed to Indesign the rest of the country followed fairly quickly. Little single licence places took longer to switch, but the "Upgrade to CS3 for the price of a Photoshop upgrade if you had a photoshop licence" thing did it. Brilliant marketing from Adobe, now they just bend us over, make us dropout pants and don't even do us the courtesy of using lube, they just dry ream us. >:( >:( >:(
Quark had 1 feature that is still missing from ID as far as I can tell - you could make custom H&Js and control the minimum number of words that could appear on the last line of a paragraph.
For most users this is likely not even an issue, but there have been more than a few times doing variable data jobs that I would have found it very useful. Closest thing I've found is a complicated method using GREP styles to force a "no break" character style on a certain number of characters at the end of a paragraph.
I remember H&Js!
I once had a supervisor that just hated hyphens for some reason. You'd better believe I used that feature.
::) That's messed-up!
Quark also had multi color inks where you could mix 2 spot colors to create a third.
It got a reasonable amount of use in our shop
oh yeah, I think you can do it in Indesign too No?
Never been able to find it if you can
Quote from: madbugger on October 23, 2022, 12:59:22 AMNever been able to find it if you can
Create and edit mixed ink swatches (https://helpx.adobe.com/indesign/using/mixing-inks.html#mixing_inks)
thanks Joe👍👍