Thanks, I once again have a workable dock.

This morning I installed Leopard on a second partition of my PowerPC G5..

The default install wanted to eat over 11 GB of my disk. After I had insisted on not speaking Japanese, Mandarin Chinese and a truckload of other languages and not having every laser printer produced for the last 4 years, it settled on a more reasonable 6,x GB.

CS2 seems to run fine even though the upgrader for VersionCue refuses to install. Acrobat Pro 7 updates also didn't work but I could get it updated using Tiger so I once again have my good old 7.09 up and running.

Spaces is awesome - I ran a freebie alternative in 10.4 but this is much better.

I hate the new dock - it is almost impossible to see which applications are running.

Along with other colleagues, we cannot get safari to work on the corporate network. Firefox runs fine though.

While hunting around to install my favorite little tools, I discovered Microsoft has released a beta of RDC 2.0 - looking forward to giving that a try!

Internet security is one thing that is getting on my nerves - after filling in my proxy password dozens of time today. I'll have to look into that tomorrow.

10.4.10 is still on my other partition so worst case, I can still go back. I am curious whether I'll actually still have to do that.

Quote from: born2print on November 08, 2007, 03:11:45 PMThanks Joe, I went to a Julie Shaffer speak (through PIA) years ago when PDF was a 4 letter word. I've never met anyone since that is more knowledgeable about PDFs and related. ......

You obviously haven't met Dov Isaacs or Leonard Rosenthal (http://www.acrobatusers.com/blogs/leonardr/) yet   

I am using Acrobat 8 but wish I had stuck to 7   

I saw Scott Kelby do a presentation at an Adobe conference and he is a very good and entertaining speaker. He also does PhotoshopTV and knows a lot about the application. After buying his book on digital photography I was disappointed because it was basically a set of guidelines on how to clean up,... images without any background information on why things are done in a certain way.

Given the title of this book, I think it is aimed at that same audience: people who want an easy set of rules to do things without necessarily understanding the reasons or logic behind those rules.

I think most people in prepress are not part of that target audience   

Quote from: 30YearsandCounting on November 07, 2007, 06:48:05 PMThanks Printing4fun / Laurens, but since you do work for Agfa is it not possible that you are maybe just a little biased on the argument justifying higher CTP plate prices?

Please understand that I visit this forum in my spare time and not as an Agfa spokesperson.

As for being biased about CtP plate pricing: the competition in that market is so fierce that any manufacturer who would manage to make CtP plates as cheap as analog plates would instantly become the market leader. That hasn't happened (yet?) so I assume the reasons mentioned in the Seybold article have some value.

Thanks to Acrobat's wonderful ability to do a full text search across an entire folder I just found the Seybold Reports article in which Kurt Wulf interviews the Agfa product manager for CTP plates (TSR-0921, september 2006)

The stuff that gets mentioned
- higher grade aluminium because of greater mechanical demands of automated plate loading in CTP-machines
- more expensive slip sheets
- for Agfa Energy plates deeper graining in a special processing step
- double instead of single coating to improve chemical resistance
- tighter temperature tolerances during coating,drying and heating because of the high thermal sensitivity
- more demanding testing across more devices & developpers
- better packaging against moisture
- temperature controlled transport to avoid uncontrolled pre-exposure

Manufacturing costs are higher for CtP plates: the alu graining needs to be better, the coating process is more difficult, manufacturing tolerances are tighter, proper care during transport is more important due to the plates being more vulnerable (or engines being more difficult about handling plates with slight cracks), slipsheets are more expensive because automated plateloaders are not as flexible as human operators when it comes to picking up a thin sheet of paper), shelf life is lower for some types of plates.

Seybold published an article about this some time ago but apparently it isn't available on-line.