I am attempting to make a RBA that uses the Surface custom field change as the trigger event to run the action perform imposition output. (Prinergy 7.1)

The problem is every time it triggers it does the entire Imposition plan and not just the surface that I checked.  (I'm using the yes/no check mark custom field), so for example I have a impostion plan with 2 forms with 4 surfaces each (double web), so I have 8 check boxes (one for each surface), when I check one of the surfaces to trigger the RBA it does all 8 surfaces. This happens for each checkmark I click on. I want it to do only the surface I checked.

Also if you can get it to NOT trigger when I uncheck it that would be a bonus. :azn:





I have tried different triggers like Final Output success (Which does the same as above)and All Seperations Output (only triggers if all separations have been output) but they don't do want I want.


Thanks for any help!

It is kind of hard to tell without seeing the RBA rule. Can you export it, zip it and attach to a post in this thread?

And also did you create the custom fields as 'Surface' custom fields and what did you name them?

I can't find the RBA I have that does sort of something like this, but in short you have to filter it out, not just output imposition. It is basically a list of what you want to output, for me it looks at the name but for what you are trying I am not positive that is a filter item. Might be able to select it from the trigger event but I am about to leave for the day, so if someone else doesn't jump in to help I will dig further tomorrow, it sounds to be possible.

I don't know about when you uncheck it and it not firing off, that is still a change

Quote from: Mikie on January 13, 2016, 03:31:45 PMI don't know about when you uncheck it and it not firing off, that is still a change

I use a yes/no custom field for moving jobs to a temporary location. It checks if the value is true (checked) and if it is it will move the job at the predetermined time. If it is false (unchecked) it does nothing. He should be able to set his up like that so it only fires when it is true (checked).

Thanks again for the help.

Here is the export of the rule.

Joe - That branch in the middle for the yes/no will work great for not triggering the "no" state.

The custom Fields - surface field is named "Press Proof". 

Background - Basicly we are having issues getting some workers to do press proofs every time they output plates for press. So ideally if we can automate the press proof creation that would be great but there wasn't anyway to do that easily but if I can give them a visible check box to rememind them that they havn't done press proofs yet that would be good enough for now. So I added a check box so they have a check-off list per-say on each imposition.

So know I am back to trying to get the press proofs to be automated. I already have Fullswitch saving these press proofs to each of the presses folder for press side proofing so they don't have to use 4 different Impo proof outputs.

So when you say press proofs....is that just an imposed PDF to the press?

Thanks for the ruleset. I will take a look when I get a few free minutes.

Quote from: Joe on January 13, 2016, 04:07:27 PMSo when you say press proofs....is that just an imposed PDF to the press?

Thanks for the ruleset. I will take a look when I get a few free minutes.

Yes it is a Raster PDF.

Could you output the proof on final output? They output the surface they get a proof of it also. I may not fully understand your workflow so ignore if ignorant

Thanks for the tip Joe, I haven't ever needed to check for such things in RBA, but I'll save it for later!

Like Mikie said earlier you need to somehow tell it to output only a certain surface. I don't think that is going to be easy. Why would you not want to output all surfaces? I may not be understanding your workflow either. I think Mikie may be onto something. If you make your trigger to be 'Final Output Success' with the below image being your 'Perform Imposition Output' so that when each surface completes the final output it would then output that same surface for your proof. I think. Untested though.

I assume surface is just a printed side of a sheet of paper :p I think you can tie into what surface is being sent to plate and generate a proof of just that surface, but it damn sure isn't obvious in the UI.

I can't look at the rule right now, but my nerd senses are tingling lol

I'm not sure how Prinergy, RBA specifically, refers to surfaces. With variable marks you can find these references:

$[SurfaceID], $[SID]     Sheet     This mark prints the surface ID of the plate. If the plate is the front side, "U" is printed. If the plate is the back side, "L" is printed.

$[SurfaceLetter], $[SL]     Sheet     The letter identifier for the surface.
For example, a four-surface signature for a dual web press would be labeled A through D.

$[SurfaceName], $[SN]     Sheet     The name of the surface-either Front or Back
On our 2 web press Preps identifies them as A, B, C, D but in RBA I don't see a way to tell it just to output surface C. In Workshop it identifies them by sig and surface. 1A, 1B, 1C, 1D, 2A, 2B etc...

The bitch is getting it to only do the surface that has been output to plates. I am working on trying to get it to just create a proof on the surface that was output. So far it works as long as you are outputting surface A lol

What did you put in there for the select one item? Surface name?

Yeah I had surface selected. I went back and simplified it though and it is working, except it is always naming it surface A, even when the PDF it outputs is surface B. In my proof plan I have it naming it with %job%.%imposition%.%signature%%surface%.%extension% which works everywhere else in prinergy so I can't figure out why it isn't naming properly yet. It is outputting the correct surface tho. In this SS on the left is the VPS of surface b, and the resulting pdf file, but it is named A ?!? 

Try %surfaceletter%. I don't know if it will make a difference but it is worth a try.