PMS colors you can't AQ

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Farabomb

April 13, 2016, 10:56:17 AM
Has anyone run into a PMS color you can't AQ? I remember in the past reflex blue used to cause headaches but I remember being told they reformulated it and it's no longer a problem. We have a purple that's mainly violet and trans white and the ink guy is saying it can't be coated.
Speed doesn't kill, rapidly becoming stationary is the problem

I'd rather have stories told than be telling stories of what I could have done.

Quote from: Ear on April 06, 2016, 11:54:16 AM
Quote from: Farabomb on April 06, 2016, 11:39:41 AMIt's more like grip, grip, grip, noise, then spin and 2 feet in and feel shame.
I once knew a plus-sized girl and this pretty much describes teh secks. :rotf:
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DigiCorn

#1
April 13, 2016, 06:31:08 PM
why?
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Farabomb

#2
April 14, 2016, 06:42:34 AM
That is the question nobody is asking. The boss says violets have always been a problem. I don't ever remember hearing that before.
Speed doesn't kill, rapidly becoming stationary is the problem

I'd rather have stories told than be telling stories of what I could have done.

Quote from: Ear on April 06, 2016, 11:54:16 AM
Quote from: Farabomb on April 06, 2016, 11:39:41 AMIt's more like grip, grip, grip, noise, then spin and 2 feet in and feel shame.
I once knew a plus-sized girl and this pretty much describes teh secks. :rotf:
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
         —Benjamin Franklin
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Skryber

#3
April 14, 2016, 09:34:27 AM
Coating burn out. They made a "special" coating for those colors. I don't know about the colors being reformulated. I'll ask the pressman.
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Skryber

#4
April 14, 2016, 09:47:25 AM
Ok, it's not special coating it's a different ink. You have to ask them for alkali inks safe to use with AQ coating. Or fade resistant.
It's purples, reds and blues. I remember rhodamine red being a problem.
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Skryber

#5
April 14, 2016, 09:55:42 AM
Found this....
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Farabomb

#6
April 14, 2016, 09:57:49 AM
Yea, I remember reflex causing hell when the old place got nice new presses with coating towers.

I heard talk of oxidizing inks. it may have to do with the dumb expensive paper it's going on. Shine pearl stock and it's something like $4 a sheet or something.
Speed doesn't kill, rapidly becoming stationary is the problem

I'd rather have stories told than be telling stories of what I could have done.

Quote from: Ear on April 06, 2016, 11:54:16 AM
Quote from: Farabomb on April 06, 2016, 11:39:41 AMIt's more like grip, grip, grip, noise, then spin and 2 feet in and feel shame.
I once knew a plus-sized girl and this pretty much describes teh secks. :rotf:
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
         —Benjamin Franklin
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andyfest

#7
April 14, 2016, 10:28:40 AM
Quote from: Skryber on April 14, 2016, 09:47:25 AMOk, it's not special coating it's a different ink. You have to ask them for alkali inks safe to use with AQ coating. Or fade resistant.
It's purples, reds and blues. I remember rhodamine red being a problem.
We use Hostman-Steinberg inks that are formulated so that all Pantones and custom spots are ok with AQ or Matte Varn. I believe Flint makes a similar formulation.
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Tracy

#8
April 14, 2016, 10:38:02 AM
Quote from: Farabomb on April 14, 2016, 09:57:49 AMYea, I remember reflex causing hell when the old place got nice new presses with coating towers.

I heard talk of oxidizing inks. it may have to do with the dumb expensive paper it's going on. Shine pearl stock and it's something like $4 a sheet or something.

That pearl paper seems to be "in" right now, it's a pain, especially for heavy coverage
read the specs on it, needs special ink etc...

Farabomb

#9
April 14, 2016, 11:28:17 AM
Well we just switched from Hostman to some local place. We didn't have issues, the other place is cheaper. They also told the boss that a color didn't exist. While he was on the phone hearing the BS I found the ink and sent the link to the ink guy and the boss.

I heard there is some oxidizing ink or some sort that we are using. The cover of this book is a paint job solid. The cover is on the pearl and the inserts are on 100# text and we were told it has to match. We promptly told them that's impossible. This will be an interesting run.
Speed doesn't kill, rapidly becoming stationary is the problem

I'd rather have stories told than be telling stories of what I could have done.

Quote from: Ear on April 06, 2016, 11:54:16 AM
Quote from: Farabomb on April 06, 2016, 11:39:41 AMIt's more like grip, grip, grip, noise, then spin and 2 feet in and feel shame.
I once knew a plus-sized girl and this pretty much describes teh secks. :rotf:
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
         —Benjamin Franklin
My other job

Farabomb

#10
April 14, 2016, 11:39:05 AM
We ran some sheets after we were done with a 4c job and it was fine. They said that shouldn't be possible but I'm looking at it.
Speed doesn't kill, rapidly becoming stationary is the problem

I'd rather have stories told than be telling stories of what I could have done.

Quote from: Ear on April 06, 2016, 11:54:16 AM
Quote from: Farabomb on April 06, 2016, 11:39:41 AMIt's more like grip, grip, grip, noise, then spin and 2 feet in and feel shame.
I once knew a plus-sized girl and this pretty much describes teh secks. :rotf:
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
         —Benjamin Franklin
My other job

Skryber

#11
April 14, 2016, 11:42:43 AM
We once printed a reflex blue paint job with AQ and it looked great until the next morning.
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DigiCorn

#12
April 14, 2016, 06:43:02 PM
20 years ago a shop I worked at changed everything reflex to blue 072. The Print Manager said Reflex took too long to dry and no one would be able to tell the difference.
"There's been a lot of research recently on how hard it is to dislodge an impression once it's been implanted in someone's mind. (This is why political attack ads don't have to be true to be effective. The other side can point out their inaccuracies, but the voter's mind privileges the memory of the original accusation, which was juicier than any counterargument ever could be.)"
― Johnny Carson

"Selling my soul would be a lot easier if I could just find it."
– Nikki Sixx

"Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut."
― Ernest Hemingway

Fontaholic

#13
April 19, 2016, 06:27:21 PM
I've always been told that reflex blue ink is a pain in the ass because it takes forever to dry and even then it rubs / smears like crazy.

Wouldn't surprise me at all that it has issues with AQ.

Cheers,
John the Fontaholic :drunk3:
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