:banned:
No. I was just given a folder of old logo comps & proofs from my company's original graphic designer. All printed out with quark marks.
Date of output? August 1999. :laugh:
I was still in diapers back then.
me too, but it wasn't because I was a baby...
:shocked:
Tables are much easier in Quark to me.
Plus other gripes. So shoot me.
First Quack job in 2 years just came in - are you psychic?
Quote from: StudioMonkey on February 18, 2014, 04:30:23 AMFirst Quack job in 2 years just came in - are you psychic?
Only when I predict the future.
Quote from: gnubler on February 17, 2014, 01:58:50 PMDate of output? August 1999. :laugh:
Wasn't that when Quark was still the best software to be using? About that time the first InDesign came out and I remember being told by someone who used it that it was like Adobe had taken the worst features from Pagemaker and Quark, put them together and came up with InDesign. Oh how things change...
1999 Quark was still the top dog. When I started at my current place in 2001 we were still using Quark 4 and then Quark 5. Once we started using OS X there was not an OS X version of Quark.
Indesign 1.0 sucked mightily. Version 1.5 was tolerable. Version 2.0 was the beginning of the end for Quark.
I love opening the Report file in some Quark docs we get:
Project has been saved by the following versions of QuarkXPress:
4.10r0 (Multiple Languages)
4.04r0 (Multiple Languages)
4.10r0 (Multiple Languages)
4.04r0 (Multiple Languages)
4.10r0 (Multiple Languages)
4.04r0 (Multiple Languages)
4.11r0 (Multiple Languages)
5.01r0 (Multiple Languages)
5.00r0 (Multiple Languages)
6.10r0 (Multiple Languages)
5.00r0 (Multiple Languages)
5.01r0 (Multiple Languages)
5.00r0 (Multiple Languages)
6.10r0 (Multiple Languages)
5.00r0 (Multiple Languages)
6.50r0 (Multiple Languages)
5.00r0 (Multiple Languages)
6.10r0 (Multiple Languages)
6.50r0 (Multiple Languages)
6.10r0 (Multiple Languages)
6.50r0 (Multiple Languages)
6.10r0 (Multiple Languages)
6.50r0 (Multiple Languages)
6.10r0 (Multiple Languages)
6.50r0 (Multiple Languages)
6.10r0 (Multiple Languages)
6.50r0 (Multiple Languages)
6.10r0 (Multiple Languages)
6.50r0 (Multiple Languages)
6.10r0 (Multiple Languages)
6.50r0 (Multiple Languages)
6.10r0 (Multiple Languages)
6.50r0 (Multiple Languages)
6.10r0 (Multiple Languages)
8.15r0 (Multiple Languages)
8.16r0 (Multiple Languages)
8.15r0 (Multiple Languages)
8.16r0 (Multiple Languages)
8.15r0 (Multiple Languages)
8.16r0 (Multiple Languages)
8.15r0 (Multiple Languages)
8.16r0 (Multiple Languages)
8.15r0 (Multiple Languages)
8.16r0 (Multiple Languages)
8.15r0 (Multiple Languages)
8.16r0 (Multiple Languages)
8.15r0 (Multiple Languages)
:lmao:
good to know it covers all the versions we don't have...
Started my new job and got a new macbook pro fully loaded with all the apps, then I noticed a icon in the doc I've never seen before.
Upon inspection it turned out to be Quark 10!
Who knew?
So who did you piss off? :laugh:
(Congrats on the new job though)
Ew. Way to fuck up a brand new Mac.
lucky dog, I'll send you all my Q10 files...
Quote from: david on March 13, 2014, 04:49:21 PMlucky dog, I'll send you all my Q10 files...
Just how do you send zero files to someone? :laugh:
eh.... well, you got me.
lucky for me, I have Q10 as well... I know, I know, you can just feel my excitement can't you?
Quote from: david on March 13, 2014, 05:37:58 PMeh.... well, you got me.
lucky for me, I have Q10 as well... I know, I know, you can just feel my excitement can't you?
Ewwwwwww....I'm not feeling anything! :puke: Especially your Quark! :tongue:
awwwww, come on... you know you want to...
:lmao:
David, you are here late. Did you mistakenly set your clocks back 4 hours last weekend instead of ahead 1 hour? You should have been home to Margaritaville hours ago!
:lmao:
Mods at play... :undecided:
Is that anything like "Mods gone wild"?
Quote from: Joe on March 13, 2014, 05:00:48 PMQuote from: david on March 13, 2014, 04:49:21 PMlucky dog, I'll send you all my Q10 files...
Just how do you send zero files to someone? :laugh:
Brilliant!
Quote from: Joe on March 13, 2014, 08:29:22 PMIs that anything like "Mods gone wild"?
I don't know? Is it? :naughty:
back to my normal hours today...
abby normal anyway.
I have had a week full of training meetings, my butt is killing me after sitting on those stupid chairs they always have in the conference areas. Where do they get these torture devices? It's like these chairs are from the Middle Ages...
no one expects the Spanish Inquisition!
Quote from: Sabrina The Turd Polisher on March 14, 2014, 06:25:41 AMQuote from: Joe on March 13, 2014, 08:29:22 PMIs that anything like "Mods gone wild"?
I don't know? Is it? :naughty:
You should see the Geritol we went through! :drunk3:
Quote from: david on March 14, 2014, 07:13:11 AMback to my normal hours today...
abby normal anyway.
I have had a week full of training meetings, my butt is killing me after sitting on those stupid chairs they always have in the conference areas. Where do they get these torture devices? It's like these chairs are from the Middle Ages...
no one expects the Spanish Inquisition!
and you lived to tell about it! I am envious. :laugh:
the q is 10? we are still on 9.5
better upgrade... :sarcasm:
hurry corn! you don't know what you are missing!!!
on the other hand, maybe you do...
QuoteBob Porter: Looks like you've been missing a lot of work lately.
Peter Gibbons: I wouldn't say I've been *missing* it, Bob.
:way2go:
Well, yeah, not only am I using Quark more than Indy at the moment, I'm actually making decent money off of the poor old thing.
I've been freelancing with a childrens' book publisher for almost a year, so far mostly bringing old versions up to date, converting files from the UK into US engrish, and various kinds of sales fliers. About half the books are in Quark. I got the job pretty much because they'd been having a terrible time finding someone who (1) had a copy and (2) knew how to use it. I'm now getting most of their freelance projects 'cause I know how this shit works pretty good and I always meet my deadlines. And my files always run.
So, yeah, when Quark announced their last chance to upgrade last year, I upgraded straight from 6 to 9, and the deal right then included a free upgrade to 10, which was just a few weeks away. So now I work in 10.1.1.0 and every legacy file I get gets brought all the way forward. I suppose I could bring files forward from v2 on providing some of the old machines stacked up in the basement still boot, but the furthest back I've had to reach so far has been 8, which opens in 9. I'm missing 7 & 8, so someday I may need to ask you guys for help bringing 6 or 7 forward to 8. Hope not! Especially those trickster pre-7 files...
Quark hasn't really changed much, at least not for the worse (that would be hard to fathom.) Most of the menus look the same as they looked 15 years ago. That helps, as I hadn't really used it since about 2001.
But it was like riding a bicycle. Helps to have a modern Mac with plenty of RAM.
The PDFs I've written out of Quark 10 have gone through smoothly at 2 different printers. Nothing I've seen yet had much in the way of transparency, and it's all been 4/C, so I'm not really twisting the tail of the output side. They claim that now you can generate layered PDFs with native transparency, but I haven't had any compelling reason yet to test that theory.
You may now begin the obligatory wailing and gnashing of teeth.
:old:
Hi hotmetal...I get PDF's from people using Quark. They are a lot larger than Indy PDF's but they work other than the designer that decided the correct way to do it was to convert everything to EPS and then distill to PDF. No live transparency after that but it is possible though like I said Quark PDF's with transparency tend to be massive in size as compared to Indy PDF's.
Glad to hear you are still kickin' about.
Got himself a 'rare skills niche' by the sounds. Noice...
Yeah, we make all of our Quark PDFs using "native transparency" and even though it makes obscenely HUGE files, haven't had any serious issues to date. It refuses to load certain fonts consistently across different Macs for some reason, so sometimes only 1 person can work on a particular job once the fonts are all working. Fun stuff!
Hotmetal: Good to hear you're keeping busy and checking in on us too!
Quote from: Slappy on June 15, 2014, 08:42:18 AMYeah, we make all of our Quark PDFs using "native transparency" and even though it makes obscenely HUGE files, haven't had any serious issues to date. It refuses to load certain fonts consistently across different Macs for some reason, so sometimes only 1 person can work on a particular job once the fonts are all working. Fun stuff!
Hotmetal: Good to hear you're keeping busy and checking in on us too!
Busy, yes... and yet so much more calm and relaxed after 32 months of retirement from punching a clock and working for fools and morons.
My wife recently said: "I didn't know you could be funny, you were so grim when you were working." Apparently I'm funny now!
Speaking of fonts... gnrrrrrr... one of the things I've always been good at is figuring out font conflicts and brainless usage, which most of the designers and pretty much all of the prepress grunts I've dealt with since the late 1980's treated in an "why are you bothering me with this irrelevant la-de-da complaint?" I'm talking about workers who load and use (possibly just sitting down at a group machine where the fonts are already loaded) the same typefaces, but from several different foundries, and/or eras, at the same time. You've all seen mashups of Futura, with incomplete sets of Adobe from 1988 mixed with parts of Bitstream and other brands, where, over various cycles of revisions, the weights and foundries and (in Quark and Pagemaker) different fucking styles selected randomly all through the document, sometimes using several different combinations of weight and style and foundry in one line of text, has turned the file in to one huge reflowing clusterfuck with psuedo-italic used to make up for missing italics in one file, the actual italic showing up in the next. (Sometimes the books are all one file, sometimes broken up into a dozen stand-alone files. This can take some time to figure out.)
That is the main problem with the books I'm working on. They've been worked on by many people, mostly freelancers, in different countries, over the last 10-15 years. And each new person would just load in all the various sets and bits of sets and proceed to do whatever the markups say without giving a thought to the mess they were working on. Or, maybe, knowing something wasn't quite right, but going ahead anyway, because, after all, it's just desktop publishing.
I can't work like that. The first thing I do is get the links up and running and evaulate the fonts, over the entire length of the book (or series of books — most of what I work on is an entire series of textbooks.) I deal with the font situation first, before I do a single edit. I don't think very many designers and "desktop publishers" out there would even think to do this, they just wander around the publishing landscape with pebbles in their shoes and think this is normal.
The people I work for are aware the files have problems and are thrilled that I just take them, fix them, update them, and send them back in a sparkling new paintjob. I don't bother bugging them for fonts, because they have no idea where they came from or went to, I just go into my own secret libraries of client fonts and find what I need. The missing images... so far I've been able to retrieve them from the last high-res PDF they've got.
I get paid well for something I'm very good at... and my client keeps saying "thank you, thank you, thank you!" My guardian diva was sitting on my shoulder that day last summer when, worried a bit about finances, I felt compelled to take one more frustrating look at the local craigslist employment ads. I'd search for ads with "InDesign", "Quark", "typesetting", stuff like that. And this time the "Quark" search turned up a winner!
Love you guys! :yourock:
The first thing I do
fixed
And this time the "Quark" search turned up a winner!
lol!
Love you guys!
:cool: :cool: :cool:
That sounds like a great gig Hot Metal!
for your wife too! :laugh:
I shoulda wrote that in haiku, next time :laugh:
I should have, could have
wrote that in the haiku style
It makes people smile
:banana:
when I die and they
lay me to rest I'm gonna
go to the place' best
:lmao:
:laugh:
haiku is 3 syllables :tongue:
Quotehas turned the file into one huge reflowing clusterfuck with psuedo-italic used to make up for missing italics...
:laugh: You bring back memories. Much as we love to hate Abode.... :undecided:
Quote from: Tracy on June 17, 2014, 04:22:19 PM:laugh:
haiku is 3 syllables :tongue:
I leave you people for just a couple of years, and THIS is what happens?!? :ohno:
:police: Had to come out of semi-retirement to point out that haiku is 5-7-5. :police:
Told you standards had gone to the dogs... But you'll sort us in short order.
Quote from: youston on June 17, 2014, 07:46:28 PMQuote from: Tracy on June 17, 2014, 04:22:19 PM:laugh:
haiku is 3 syllables :tongue:
I leave you people for just a couple of years, and THIS is what happens?!? :ohno:
:police: Had to come out of semi-retirement to point out that haiku is 5-7-5. :police:
Couple of years, huh? That explains a lot! I don't come here every day anymore, but I'm still following some of the same long-time threads. And I kept wondering, whatever happened to youston?
Oh, we still wonder....
Quote from: frailer on June 17, 2014, 08:28:08 PMTold you standards had gone to the dogs... But you'll sort us in short order.
Oh, I'm retired.
Couldn't possibly spend time
correcting grammar.
See? 5-7-5!
do contractions actually count...
seems to be missing something...
possibly a syllable?
not a haiku master, but I'm doesn't have the umph of I am.
Just sayin'
Quote from: david on June 18, 2014, 06:29:12 AMdo contractions actually count...
seems to be missing something...
possibly a syllable?
not a haiku master, but I'm doesn't have the umph of I am.
Just sayin'
It's important to remember that some words have fewer syllables in Texas. "Retired" is a 3-syllable word for most of us.
(Of course, some words have more syllables in Texas. In the rest of the country, "God" is only one syllable. I've heard preachers in Texas stretch it out to three or four over the course of the 30-45 seconds it takes them to say the word.)
They have the largest Christian cross in the Northern hemisphere too! :cool:
Quote from: born2print on June 18, 2014, 09:37:48 AMThey have the largest Christian cross in the Northern hemisphere too! :cool:
Is that the one that fell over and impalled a big adult xxx bookstore? Or did that just happen on Facebook...
OMG! I remember there being some warehouse sized adult shop near there...
but I don't think so, the cross I am referring to is all on it's lonesome in a big flat field just South of I-40
Do they light it up every once and a while just for old time's sake?
Ouch! :laugh:
Quote from: Farabomb on June 18, 2014, 11:39:13 AMDo they light it up every once and a while just for old time's sake?
sure, it's party time!!
going to hell for that for sure..
Quote from: david on June 18, 2014, 12:40:50 PMgoing to hell for that for sure..
Going? This (prepress) is not it?
ain't no party like a Nazi party 'cause a ...
see you there David.
bring some beers...
I'm quite sure prepress is hell.
Quote from: born2print on June 18, 2014, 09:37:48 AMThey have the largest Christian cross in the Northern hemisphere too! :cool:
Have driven past a huge one in northern Montana. On top of a hill. We could see it coming for about 5 minutes; couldn't believe how big when we drove past. :shocked:
But there were a lot more taxidermists than crosses.
We have big cross - shaped things in the UK too.
(http://www.north-east-of-england.com/Angel-of-the-North-3.jpg)
A few years ago someone dressed it up in a football shirt:
(http://www.gateshead-pubs.com/resources/_wsb_400x266_Angel-of-the-North-6204137.jpg)
Shearer was a local football hero at the time.
If you did that to a big cross in Montana, I imagine it'd be a bullet between the eyes. :undecided: