Apple can make that a bit complicated if you buy new from them or a reseller.
If Sonoma is installed you will have to download the Ventura installer from apple.com.
Or i use this site for my apple OS downloads....very handy for messing around with old Macs etc.
https://mrmacintosh.com/

Cool, thanks.

My new iMac from Apple came with Ventura on it. I updated it to Sonoma because I don't have to worry about prepress software anymore.

Lol, I took a deep breath and went from Big Sur 11.7.9 to 11.7.10 this week!

Just found out we'd have to get one with Ventura installed. Hard to believe but this guy owns 2 Mac repair stores here so I have no need to question him.

Quote from: pspdfppdfxhd on December 14, 2023, 10:58:42 AMJust found out we'd have to get one with Ventura installed. Hard to believe but this guy owns 2 Mac repair stores here so I have no need to question him.

You mean he says you can't downgrade to Ventura? I can think of no reason why that would be true.

True you can't install an older version over a newer version but you should be able to wipe the hard drive and install the older version. You will need to have a bootable USB drive with older version of installer on it to install after you wipe the hard drive. You do need to delete all partitions on the hard drive and re-partition the hard drive as a single partition and then let the Mac installer re-partition the drive when it does the install. Macs are weird lately where they end up with two partitions named Macintosh HD but only one will display on the desktop as you Macintosh HD. It gets complicated though.

If this guy is a mac expert there should be no reason why he cant make sure you get whatever macOS you want on the Macs he is selling to you.
It sounds like he is telling you that the Macs he is offering you will have Ventura loaded as the macOS.

Quote from: Joe on December 14, 2023, 11:23:33 AM

Quote from: pspdfppdfxhd on December 14, 2023, 10:58:42 AMJust found out we'd have to get one with Ventura installed. Hard to believe but this guy owns 2 Mac repair stores here so I have no need to question him.

You mean he says you can't downgrade to Ventura? I can think of no reason why that would be true.

I didn't either actually. Just going by his info. He's trying to find a new earlier build to get Ventura installed.

Quote from: pspdfppdfxhd on December 14, 2023, 12:01:51 PM

Quote from: Joe on December 14, 2023, 11:23:33 AM

Quote from: pspdfppdfxhd on December 14, 2023, 10:58:42 AMJust found out we'd have to get one with Ventura installed. Hard to believe but this guy owns 2 Mac repair stores here so I have no need to question him.

You mean he says you can't downgrade to Ventura? I can think of no reason why that would be true.

I didn't either actually. Just going by his info. He's trying to find a new earlier build to get Ventura installed.

I mean that has Ventrua installled right out of the box.

Quote from: pspdfppdfxhd on December 14, 2023, 12:01:51 PM

Quote from: Joe on December 14, 2023, 11:23:33 AM

Quote from: pspdfppdfxhd on December 14, 2023, 10:58:42 AMJust found out we'd have to get one with Ventura installed. Hard to believe but this guy owns 2 Mac repair stores here so I have no need to question him.

You mean he says you can't downgrade to Ventura? I can think of no reason why that would be true.

I didn't either actually. Just going by his info. He's trying to find a new earlier build to get Ventura installed.

The link posted earlier has the earlier version of the OS (Ventura).

https://mrmacintosh.com/

Quote from: scottrsimons on December 01, 2023, 08:45:07 AMI was shocked by getting a beefed up mini myself but they are working just fine. Although I remember saying the same thing when I first got my first iMac. It wasn't a tower, "professional" Mac. But haven't looked back. And now think the same about the mini/studio. We don't worry about color on screen too much. We proof it and know what moves we need to move from there.

The other thing we did for compatibility reasons, was to setup the old iMac either next to the operator or in a spot where they can remote into them if need be for the software they would not run on the new system. Since we are in a production environment, not everything gets updated right away. But there are times where the computer needs to be and we have to fight all the other issues for a bit. That's how we get around it. FYI.

Is remoting on a Mac hard? I tried it once there was some bizzare command line in terminal. Couldn't get it to work, got frustrated and gave up. The microsoft remote works great from Macs to pcs.

Quote from: Joe on December 14, 2023, 11:29:05 AMTrue you can't install an older version over a newer version but you should be able to wipe the hard drive and install the older version. You will need to have a bootable USB drive with older version of installer on it to install after you wipe the hard drive. You do need to delete all partitions on the hard drive and re-partition the hard drive as a single partition and then let the Mac installer re-partition the drive when it does the install. Macs are weird lately where they end up with two partitions named Macintosh HD but only one will display on the desktop as you Macintosh HD. It gets complicated though.

I whacked up my Mac a few years back trying to do this. I had 2 or more HDs mounting. I would rather have somebody who knows what they are doing handle it.

Quote from: Joe on December 14, 2023, 10:00:02 AMMy new iMac from Apple came with Ventura on it. I updated it to Sonoma because I don't have to worry about prepress software anymore.

Called Apple support to find out if they could tell me how to find a new one with Ventura installed. You know, maybe by the serial number or something. I was told i would have to buy one, open it and boot it up and see. Really? How many attempts may that take i wondered... 1, 2, 500?

Quote from: pspdfppdfxhd on December 16, 2023, 02:48:51 PMIs remoting on a Mac hard? I tried it once there was some bizzare command line in terminal. Couldn't get it to work, got frustrated and gave up. The microsoft remote works great from Macs to pcs.

I know in the past, M$ Remote Desktop was ok, if bloated. I use a program called Jump Desktop, it's paid but single license fee with unlimited installs (no stupid yearly fee) and very reasonable. I had to have the IT folks we use set up my access to get through our Sonicwall device but it works like a charm. I can get to all of the devices, Windows & Mac when necessary.