Found this article on G+ and wonder what you think.
Why You Should Import RGB Images Into InDesign and Convert to CMYK On Export (http://indesignsecrets.com/import-rgb-images-indesign-convert-cmyk-export.php)
I never tried the Convert to Destination (Preserve Numbers) as they suggest in the article.
We tend to "fix" the crappy InDesign file the client sent before we go any further including converting RGB photos to CMYK.
I stopped converting to CMYK in PhotoShop ages ago, mainly because I was getting a ton of work for a digital press and couldn't be arsed. Besides, the quality seemed OK most of the time (not doing really high quality jobs). I figured the Convert to Destination was doing the job well enough.
I have to say, though, sometimes I have to convert simply because the photos come out too saturated (especially greens).
I've been a fan of the method described in that article for several years now. At my last gig, my coworker, who was otherwise one of the best prepress people I have worked with in person, wasn't up to speed on the issue and so would waste time converting images to CMYK, then updating the links. As a book printer, sometimes that could be hundreds of images. When a similar job came across my desk, I used the Convert upon Export method and spent no extra time at all, and the results are identical.
At my current shop, I don't convert anything - we let Prinergy handle the conversions (although I believe it is set up to use AdobeRGB as the source profile default for untagged images, which can result in skin tones being too red. I would prefer it to default to sRGB, since that's a lowest common denominator among people who don't know what they're doing.)
Quote from: DCurry on December 12, 2014, 07:55:17 AMI've been a fan of the method described in that article for several years now. At my last gig, my coworker, who was otherwise one of the best prepress people I have worked with in person, wasn't up to speed on the issue and so would waste time converting images to CMYK, then updating the links. As a book printer, sometimes that could be hundreds of images. When a similar job came across my desk, I used the Convert upon Export method and spent no extra time at all, and the results are identical.
At my current shop, I don't convert anything - we let Prinergy handle the conversions (although I believe it is set up to use AdobeRGB as the source profile default for untagged images, which can result in skin tones being too red. I would prefer it to default to sRGB, since that's a lowest common denominator among people who don't know what they're doing.)
I didn't realize you worked with DCS! :rotf:
Ditto on letting Prinergy convert them. I very rarely convert anything in Photoshop. 99.9% of the time Prinergy does as good or better than Photoshop. I even tell customers not to use the "Convert to Destination" on export from InDesign. I always tell them to use the PDF X-4 settings but to change the image compression to ZIP. It uses "No color conversion" for its output settings.
I've been letting Prinergy do the converting basically since we got it. Only on rare occasions has it been an issue.
Quote from: Joe on December 12, 2014, 09:29:36 AMQuote from: DCurry on December 12, 2014, 07:55:17 AMI've been a fan of the method described in that article for several years now. At my last gig, my coworker, who was otherwise one of the best prepress people I have worked with in person, wasn't up to speed on the issue and so would waste time converting images to CMYK, then updating the links. As a book printer, sometimes that could be hundreds of images. When a similar job came across my desk, I used the Convert upon Export method and spent no extra time at all, and the results are identical.
At my current shop, I don't convert anything - we let Prinergy handle the conversions (although I believe it is set up to use AdobeRGB as the source profile default for untagged images, which can result in skin tones being too red. I would prefer it to default to sRGB, since that's a lowest common denominator among people who don't know what they're doing.)
I didn't realize you worked with DCS! :rotf:
He has been absent... busy organizing a holiday Postscript revival party. So busy, he doesn't even have a free hand.
Quote from: Ear on December 12, 2014, 11:08:21 AMQuote from: Joe on December 12, 2014, 09:29:36 AMQuote from: DCurry on December 12, 2014, 07:55:17 AMI've been a fan of the method described in that article for several years now. At my last gig, my coworker, who was otherwise one of the best prepress people I have worked with in person, wasn't up to speed on the issue and so would waste time converting images to CMYK, then updating the links. As a book printer, sometimes that could be hundreds of images. When a similar job came across my desk, I used the Convert upon Export method and spent no extra time at all, and the results are identical.
At my current shop, I don't convert anything - we let Prinergy handle the conversions (although I believe it is set up to use AdobeRGB as the source profile default for untagged images, which can result in skin tones being too red. I would prefer it to default to sRGB, since that's a lowest common denominator among people who don't know what they're doing.)
I didn't realize you worked with DCS! :rotf:
He has been absent... busy organizing a holiday Postscript revival party. So busy, he doesn't even have a free hand.
Probably using PageMaker 5 on OS 9 to make the invitations. ;D
Have to run the files through flightcheck first.
Open in Illustrator and custom trap everything.
I thought he was a Freehand fan?
Oh for sure. But he will begrudgingly dissect PDFs in Illustrator.
Quote from: Ear on December 12, 2014, 12:13:10 PMOh for sure. But he will begrudgingly dissect PDFs in Illustrator.
then place them in Freehand...
And then he'll give us a test on it :laugh:
is it Give DCS a hard time day? :laugh:
Quote from: Tracy on December 12, 2014, 01:44:03 PMAnd then he'll give us a test on it :laugh:
:lmao:
Quote from: Tracy on December 12, 2014, 01:44:03 PMis it Give DCS a hard time day? :laugh:
Well he keeps disappearing so yes it is.
Speaking his name in vain is like a DCS dog whistle. It should draw him out of hiding.
FreehandFreehandFreehandFreehandFreehandFreehandFreehandFreehandFreehandFreehandFreehandFreehandFreehandFreehandFreehandFreehandFreehandFreehandFreehandFreehandFreehandFreehandFreehand
come out come out wherever you are!!!
Blatner is right. I opt for embedding an output intent in the PDF but not converting any color spaces. I let the workflow do that unless there is some specific reason to send CMYK.
Usually I just place RGB images into InDesign and let Indy do the color conversion during PDF export. If you need, you can check the colors in advance with the overprint preview. The first advantage: This method saves you a lot of time. The second advantage: Since many digital printers can handle RGB better than CMYK, you don't need to provide two different files, you can just export two different PDF from the same file.
For me, I usually use PDF-X4 files if it's going to be printed on our machine, and PDF-X1 if I send it to offset, since they can't handle RGB or transparencies.
Ah, the DCS bagging... gave me a big laugh. ;D He'll be flushed out within hours.
Same goes for dodgy 'mono' to proper 100K type+grayscale images in the Mono XMF path. We are spoiled these days...
well, WE are; not sure about DCS.
weirdness...
got an email this morning from someone in upper corporate...
QuoteI would appreciate hearing the opinion of your pre-press techs regarding this article I just read (link below) that says NOT to convert images to CMYK in Photoshop before placing in INDesign.
of course they included the same link as the OP.
Is this gonna be the new trend? Does it work with images downloaded off the interwebs? Low res into hi res?
Let's not ever look at what we are doing, let the machine do all the work. :sarcasm:
At least they didn't link to this board!
I know, then the jig would be up.
this is my last refuge.... doomed
The conversion from low res images to high res should at best be done by the guys from CSI:NY. Every time again it's amazing to see how their software can make a horribly blurred and ultra low res image of a car's numberplate become nice and clear, even if you zoom in 100,000%... :sarcasm:
(http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Super_180bee_826245.jpg)
I am not a fan of letting anything do conversions. I hear a lot of this in this discussion... "it works MOST of the time..."
You all do what you want, I like to see conversions happen visually, so I KNOW I won't be adjusting after the job is on press.
Good luck.
BTW, been busy at home, doctor's appointments... just trying to keep up with all the goddamned work in here. I swear to all the gods you believe in I have tried for two weeks to log in.
Oh, and I hate X-Mas. Thank you and have a swell day.
he said swell...
doomed
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on December 16, 2014, 01:12:35 PMI am not a fan of letting anything do conversions. I hear a lot of this in this discussion... "it works MOST of the time..."
You all do what you want, I like to see conversions happen visually, so I KNOW I won't be adjusting after the job is on press.
Good luck.
BTW, been busy at home, doctor's appointments... just trying to keep up with all the goddamned work in here. I swear to all the gods you believe in I have tried for two weeks to log in.
Oh, and I hate X-Mas. Thank you and have a swell day.
Ditto.
I'm working on a solid xmas hate right now.
Mine has become an entirely new entity. I carry it around like a back-pack.
Your hatred has its own ecosystem. We should see if we can obtain National Park status for it.
Quote from: Ear on December 16, 2014, 03:09:15 PMYour hatred has its own ecosystem. We should see if we can obtain National Park status for it.
As long as it has nothing to do with X-Mas, count me in. Why can't we just have Halloween twice?
I know what I'm going to do. After careful consideration, I have decided to go full blown Jehovah's Witness. The simple fact that they don't celebrate holidays and birthdays gives me all the excuse I need. Consider me a cult man.
need a theme song if you do that...
cult man cult man cult man! (sing to the tune of Rawhide)
I'm kind of impartial to this this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YyTp9swrso (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YyTp9swrso)
Guess what my GF's name is.
HS sucked for her.
Quote from: Farabomb on December 17, 2014, 11:11:04 AMGuess what my GF's name is.
HS sucked for her.
The same as my wife evidently.
her name is Dallas? weird
Quote from: david on December 17, 2014, 12:36:40 PMher name is Dallas? weird
Debbie does a lot more than just Dallas, evidently.
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on December 16, 2014, 03:14:48 PMI know what I'm going to do. After careful consideration, I have decided to go full blown Jehovah's Witness. The simple fact that they don't celebrate holidays and birthdays gives me all the excuse I need. Consider me a cult man.
I'll have my mother come knocking on your door.
Quote from: Syphon on December 18, 2014, 08:51:51 PMQuote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on December 16, 2014, 03:14:48 PMI know what I'm going to do. After careful consideration, I have decided to go full blown Jehovah's Witness. The simple fact that they don't celebrate holidays and birthdays gives me all the excuse I need. Consider me a cult man.
I'll have my mother come knocking on your door.
No need. I'm a man of that cloth now.
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on December 19, 2014, 08:16:46 AMQuote from: Syphon on December 18, 2014, 08:51:51 PMQuote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on December 16, 2014, 03:14:48 PMI know what I'm going to do. After careful consideration, I have decided to go full blown Jehovah's Witness. The simple fact that they don't celebrate holidays and birthdays gives me all the excuse I need. Consider me a cult man.
I'll have my mother come knocking on your door.
No need. I'm a man of that cloth now.
Cheesecloth? :hello:
Quote from: Ear on December 19, 2014, 11:08:39 AMQuote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on December 19, 2014, 08:16:46 AMQuote from: Syphon on December 18, 2014, 08:51:51 PMQuote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on December 16, 2014, 03:14:48 PMI know what I'm going to do. After careful consideration, I have decided to go full blown Jehovah's Witness. The simple fact that they don't celebrate holidays and birthdays gives me all the excuse I need. Consider me a cult man.
I'll have my mother come knocking on your door.
No need. I'm a man of that cloth now.
Cheesecloth? :hello:
Loincloth?
How DARE you mock me in my religious experimentations.
Oh I dare. :kona:
:popcorn:
Who?
Where? :old:
Yep.
Noooooooooooooooo.....
Yes, I love Italian... and so do you.
when?