Running linen/laid stock in color copier, I mean "digital press"

Started by gnubler, February 04, 2013, 10:33:55 PM

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gnubler

Has anyone here found a linen/laid cover stock that prints good quality on a color copier? I tried some sample prints for a customer and the result is always spotty due to the unsmooth finish. Our paper vendor said there are digital textured stocks available and I'm getting some samples this week to try. I often have similar results with large solid areas of color on some uncoated cover stocks (Cougar).
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Quote from: pspdfppdfx on December 06, 2012, 05:03:51 PM
So,  :drunk3: i send the job to the rip with live transparecy (v 1.7 or whatever) and it craps out with a memory error.

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StudioMonkey

You could always scan a piece of textured paper and put it in the background as a pic.  A low res JPEG should be OK.
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Fontaholic

Quote from: gnubler on February 04, 2013, 10:33:55 PMHas anyone here found a linen/laid cover stock that prints good quality on a color copier? I tried some sample prints for a customer and the result is always spotty due to the unsmooth finish. Our paper vendor said there are digital textured stocks available and I'm getting some samples this week to try. I often have similar results with large solid areas of color on some uncoated cover stocks (Cougar).

I have never found such a linen/laid cover yet -- if you have any successful results, please let us know!  :popcorn:

I do my best to discourage customers from selecting linen/laid/unsmooth stocks for the digital color press; because of the uneven texture of these stocks, the result is almost always unsatisfying.

Text weights seem to run OK, but not cover.

Cheers, John

Skryber

If I remember correctly, we used Neenah linen. Never a problem. Make sure it's "digital" stock. We also used Cougar digital Lynx but I don't think for linen.
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gnubler

Quote from: opsprinting on February 05, 2013, 08:12:22 AMI do my best to discourage customers from selecting anything at all.

Fixed.

This is a customer from hell job, it makes me laugh. I'll have samples in today, don't know yet which brand. I'll post my results.
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Quote from: pspdfppdfx on December 06, 2012, 05:03:51 PM
So,  :drunk3: i send the job to the rip with live transparecy (v 1.7 or whatever) and it craps out with a memory error.

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Slappy

Quote from: Skryber on February 05, 2013, 09:46:04 AMIf I remember correctly, we used Neenah linen. Never a problem. Make sure it's "digital" stock. We also used Cougar digital Lynx but I don't think for linen.
^^^This^^^

I know Neenah has had linen/laid stocks for years in their digital line that's as good as you'll get.
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Sabrina The Turd Polisher

That pearlized linen stock from Neenah also performs quite well on the 700 and the BH6500. Customers "love" it...it's so shiny and purdy!
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Skryber

The fancier it is the more they want it. I had this shit called Flexi grain to print on. Bosslady had to have it  for her biz cards. Looked like an orange peel. Print like garbage. She loved them.
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gnubler

Quote from: Sabrina The Turd Polisher on February 05, 2013, 12:35:42 PMThat pearlized linen stock from Neenah also performs quite well on the 700 and the BH6500. Customers "love" it...it's so shiny and purdy!

That's what I just tried. We got several colors of Neenah Digital Linen and they printed about 87% better quality than offset stock but the solid areas of color are still spotty. Maybe the custy will like the "worn" look. I'm doing this on a similar machine, KM6501.
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"As much as I'd like your guns I prefer your buns." - The G

Quote from: pspdfppdfx on December 06, 2012, 05:03:51 PM
So,  :drunk3: i send the job to the rip with live transparecy (v 1.7 or whatever) and it craps out with a memory error.

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Slappy

Quote from: gnubler on February 05, 2013, 01:21:57 PMMaybe the custy will like the "worn" look.
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Sabrina The Turd Polisher

Quote from: gnubler on February 05, 2013, 01:21:57 PM
Quote from: Sabrina The Turd Polisher on February 05, 2013, 12:35:42 PMThat pearlized linen stock from Neenah also performs quite well on the 700 and the BH6500. Customers "love" it...it's so shiny and purdy!

That's what I just tried. We got several colors of Neenah Digital Linen and they printed about 87% better quality than offset stock but the solid areas of color are still spotty. Maybe the custy will like the "worn" look. I'm doing this on a similar machine, KM6501.
It's not "worn" it's "distressed"  :laugh:
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Possum

Turn up the paper weight settings so the machine thinks it's heavier stock than it is. We've had good luck with that on linen. Try at least two settings higher.
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gnubler

We ended up switching to Classic Crest. Even the "digital" linen stocks didn't look great and I tried every possible combination of settings.
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Quote from: pspdfppdfx on December 06, 2012, 05:03:51 PM
So,  :drunk3: i send the job to the rip with live transparecy (v 1.7 or whatever) and it craps out with a memory error.

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Possum

Guess we were lucky, with an X-box yet. I didn't know there was digital linen stock. We just use 30 year old stuff off the rotten and forgotten shelf.
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