This is a strange one. Placing a PDF in InDesign CC 2014, the orig supplied PDF was from Publisher, so I converted all the black text to 100% Black, it previews that way in Acrobat. Once placed into InDesign - the black text all reads as built. C70 M67 Y64 K74 to be exact.
There's no ICC Profile assigned to the PDF, and even after the re-fried PDF goes through the RIP, it's built. Here's where it gets even stranger: my co-worker placed the exact same PDF into his copy of InDesign CC 2014 and all the black text remains that way. Oepning MY InDy file on his machine - black are built.
I'm not aware of any setting in InDy that dictates importing PDFs and color profiles, we even made sure the COlor settings under the Edit Menu on our machines are identical.
:wtf:
What about the black display preferences. Is yours set to make blacks a rich black or black only?
That would be my guess as well.
Could also be the document mode is in RGB.
Quote from: Joe on September 12, 2014, 10:32:32 AMWhat about the black display preferences. Is yours set to make blacks a rich black or black only?
Both On Screen & Printing are set to Output all Black Accurately and NOT as Rich BLack.
Did you check this?
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on September 12, 2014, 10:34:59 AMCould also be the document mode is in RGB.
Can you even
do that in InDesign? Illustrator sure, but InDy?
Quote from: DigiCorn on September 12, 2014, 12:45:26 PMDid you check this?
Yeah, CMYK as always.
I've got to imagine it's something on the original PDF and for some reason only my copy of ID is doing this.
Quote from: Slappy on September 12, 2014, 12:55:44 PMQuote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on September 12, 2014, 10:34:59 AMCould also be the document mode is in RGB.
Can you even do that in InDesign? Illustrator sure, but InDy?
see my screenshot above
Quote from: Slappy on September 12, 2014, 12:55:44 PMQuote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on September 12, 2014, 10:34:59 AMCould also be the document mode is in RGB.
Can you even do that in InDesign? Illustrator sure, but InDy?
Quote from: DigiCorn on September 12, 2014, 12:45:26 PMDid you check this?
Yeah, CMYK as always.
I've got to imagine it's something on the original PDF and for some reason only my copy of ID is doing this.
Can you take a screenshot of your color settings?
Fo Shizzle!
I think I know what it is. I ran a few tests with a 2-color pdf.
You're checking the pdf color value with the eyedropper tool, right?
The eydropper tool only measures in RGB and when you switch the palette to CMYK is gives you a phony value based on the visual reading (but not the actual placed file CMYK value). Turn on separations preview and click off the black. Should turn off ALL BLACK as expected.
Yeah, I can't really think of anything else. It has to be something like that. All your settings are totally correct. The question I have in regards, are why does your work partner's machine show correct?
If it isn't what Corn suggests, maybe posting it the offending PDF and letting us have a look at it.
Quote from: DigiCorn on September 12, 2014, 01:39:21 PMYou're checking the pdf color value with the eyedropper tool, right?QuoteNope. Seps Preview ftw!
QuoteTurn on separations preview and click off the black. Should turn off ALL BLACK as expected.
Yeah, not so much - that's where the build color is showing up.
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on September 12, 2014, 01:50:48 PMYeah, I can't really think of anything else. It has to be something like that. All your settings are totally correct. The question I have in regards, are why does your work partner's machine show correct?
That's the riddle.
QuoteIf it isn't what Corn suggests, maybe posting it the offending PDF and letting us have a look at it.
Sure, have at it!
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on September 12, 2014, 01:50:48 PMYeah, I can't really think of anything else. It has to be something like that. All your settings are totally correct. The question I have in regards, are why does your work partner's machine show correct?
If it isn't what Corn suggests, maybe posting it the offending PDF and letting us have a look at it.
That baffles me too. I assume it's because the partner is:
a) not on the same build of ID as Slappy
b) reading the values in Acro and not ID
c) is lying
Quote from: Slappy on September 12, 2014, 01:59:35 PMQuote from: DigiCorn on September 12, 2014, 01:39:21 PMYou're checking the pdf color value with the eyedropper tool, right?QuoteNope. Seps Preview ftw!
QuoteTurn on separations preview and click off the black. Should turn off ALL BLACK as expected.
Yeah, not so much - that's where the build color is showing up.
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on September 12, 2014, 01:50:48 PMYeah, I can't really think of anything else. It has to be something like that. All your settings are totally correct. The question I have in regards, are why does your work partner's machine show correct?
That's the riddle.
If it isn't what Corn suggests, maybe posting it the offending PDF and letting us have a look at it.
Sure, have at it!
I think it's what i said before...
check out the separation preview
Nice screenshot, Corn... but shouldn't the black be a Knock-Out? :laugh: :shocked: :ninja:
Quote from: Ear on September 12, 2014, 02:18:02 PMNice screenshot, Corn... but shouldn't the black be a Knock-Out? :laugh: :shocked: :ninja:
Rimshot - Ba dum tssshhh (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGg_HTls8ME#)
It's doing exactly the same thing as what you are saying, Slappy to me. Let me see if I can figure this out.
If I place the PDF with the "Transparent Background" unchecked in the Place PDF dialog box the black comes in as 4 color. If I check the box the text comes in as black only. See attached.
what version of ID are you on? CC 2013 here. I did place it with transparent background checked.
CC 2014
ok... i placed it without the transparent box checked and same as you guys - 4 color build
If you export it from InDesign as is, the inspector through Pitstop shows 100% K only, but displays as InDesign does. WTF?
So, I did what Joe did, and BAM works. I want to know why.
Black in the PDF is set to OP. Doesn't seem like that should cause it but it is a PUBLISHER PDF so WTF knows?
Yup, now I'm seeing as Joe does. And of course, I rarely place a PDF with Transparency turned on unless there's a reason.
WTF indeed.
Okay, get this then: That Publisher job I kicked last night came in as a PDF today. I converted the whole 28 pages to Grayscale via Pitstop, and only TWO of the pages are showing as built blacks even though in Acrobat they're 100% Blk & grayscale images.
But again, they're placed without the Transparency box checked. Oy vey. :shoots_self:
Okay, so a little more fucking with and regardless of transparent BG or not, it comes in transparent. I even put 100% cyan in the black with Pitstop and it came over with the same fucked up color break, but WAY more cyan.
Importing without show options clicked seems to work as well.
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on September 12, 2014, 02:39:49 PMImporting without show options clicked seems to work as well.
That defaults to the last settings that were used.
True. Forgot about that. Know-it-all. :tongue:
:kissass:
it's all about the love...
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on September 12, 2014, 02:42:25 PMTrue. Forgot about that. Know-it-all. :tongue:
.... been caught out many more times than you have. :sigh:
This is a freakin' transparency issue... Place the PDF without the transparent background box checked in ID and export to any kind of PDF that preserves transparency (1.4 or above), the black separates as four color. The one placed with transparent background separates as pure black only.
Exported to PDF 1.3 (flattened) and no matter if the transparent background box has been checked or not, it separates as 100K only. Same if you flatten the PDF before you place it into ID and export to 1.4 or higher (which doesn't make sense, I know. It's just for trying).