Maybe i've been living in a cave about adobe cloud but one of the owners asked if it is a good thing....
That's my next mission, justifying the expense of it. We have 2 macs running CS6.
It's a long weekend with no plans, I'll have to look into it.
We have volume licensing and apparently it is non clown based.
Quote from: t-pat on August 30, 2012, 08:50:42 AMWe have volume licensing and apparently it is non clown based.
CLOWN BASED? Is this a typo? (our whole company seems to be CLOWN BASED.) :banghead: :drunk3: :drunk3:
But seriously, on the 2nd mac we're purchasing we have to buy a full CS6 with no upgrade at a cost of 1299. This may factor in to the choice here. :drunk3:
Quote from: pspdfppdfx on August 30, 2012, 09:07:43 AMQuote from: t-pat on August 30, 2012, 08:50:42 AMWe have volume licensing and apparently it is non clown based.
CLOWN BASED? Is this a typo? (our whole company seems to be CLOWN BASED.) :banghead: :drunk3: :drunk3:
But seriously, on the 2nd mac we're purchasing we have to buy a full CS6 with no upgrade at a cost of 1299. This may factor in to the choice here. :drunk3:
not a typo. I work in printing also. It is 100% clown based. There's a pair of floppy shoes engineered into everything.
oh and that reminds me that my domain clownbasedtechnology.com is up for renewal. I was going to start a print portal there.
Sorry I axed.
:drunk3:
Evidently, the per month price is going up to $69 a month. Do the maths, in a year you're almost to the upgrade price.
It's no joke, CS stands for Cash Siphon.
And of course they release Acrobat at different intervals to drain more of said cash.
doomed
I thought CS was chicken stuff?
I've been researching this extensively for the past couple of days. They are running a special until Friday where you can get the subscription $29.99 per month for a 12 month period. $29.99 x 12 = $359.88 (plus tax) per year. If you have Design Standard the upgrade for the boxed set is $275 (plus tax)...(Design Premium is $375 plus tax) and is good until you buy the next release. For us with 14 copies to upgrade the cloud base service would cost us $1,072 more but if CS 6.5 or 7 is released before the end of the 12 month period we would get it with the Cloud based subscription. And after that 12 month period the price of the cloud subscription goes back to the regular price which currently is $49.99 per month with no guarantee it won't be higher after your first 12 months is up.
And as was mentioned, there is no volume licensing option at the moment for the cloud. We would have to create 14 different cloud subscriptions for each of our current licenses and download the software 14 times to install on our 14 Macs. We have decided to forego the Adobe Cloud scam and just buy the boxed upgrade. Also with the cloud if you go over your allotted amount of disk space the monthly cost goes up as well.
Plus I don't need this crap.
You have pretty much summed up my research as well, Joe.
I think the boxed set is still cheaper in the long run and you own it. But, the downsize is, you have to pay for the updates (from 6 to 7 for example).
They get you coming and going.
They fuck you at the drive thru
One thing about the cloud is upgrades you won't get unless you go the cloud route. They just added a "a package" feature to Illustrator that only the cloud subscribers can get for example. First they kill off the Adobe Partners, now this crap, IMO Adobe is shooting itself in the foot and I wonder if they got someone who used to work at Quark running the marketing department now.
Linkage to cloud blog
http://blogs.adobe.com/creativecloud/ (http://blogs.adobe.com/creativecloud/)
Quote from: pspdfppdfx on August 30, 2012, 06:44:12 AMIt's a long weekend with no plans, I'll have to look into it.
You spend your free time with Adobe?
I could think of at least 87 better things to do over a long weekend...
only 87...
I can come up with maybe 93 things...
Or, pretty much anything other than something prepress related.
The only thing that sounds worse than that is crime scene cleanup (photographer would be okay, but not the cleaner)
Quote from: gnubler on August 30, 2012, 02:10:46 PMOr, pretty much anything other than something prepress related.
The only thing that sounds worse than that is crime scene cleanup (photographer would be okay, but not the cleaner)
Dave Attell did that job in the Bay Area on Insomniac. He made it seem fun.
Quote from: gnubler on August 30, 2012, 02:10:46 PMOr, pretty much anything other than something prepress related.
The only thing that sounds worse than that is crime scene cleanup (photographer would be okay, but not the cleaner)
I disagree.
Quote from: almaink on August 30, 2012, 01:42:14 PMOne thing about the cloud is upgrades you won't get unless you go the cloud route. They just added a "a package" feature to Illustrator that only the cloud subscribers can get for example. First they kill off the Adobe Partners, now this crap, IMO Adobe is shooting itself in the foot and I wonder if they got someone who used to work at Quark running the marketing department now.
Linkage to cloud blog
http://blogs.adobe.com/creativecloud/ (http://blogs.adobe.com/creativecloud/)
So wait, the cloud gets updated but the in the box buyers don't? That's pretty shitty.
Just wait until they release a update on the cloud that borks everyone's computer. That will be a fun day.
With global warming don't expect the cloud to be around long.
Quote from: almaink on August 30, 2012, 01:42:14 PMOne thing about the cloud is upgrades you won't get unless you go the cloud route. They just added a "a package" feature to Illustrator that only the cloud subscribers can get for example. First they kill off the Adobe Partners, now this crap, IMO Adobe is shooting itself in the foot and I wonder if they got someone who used to work at Quark running the marketing department now.
Linkage to cloud blog
http://blogs.adobe.com/creativecloud/ (http://blogs.adobe.com/creativecloud/)
The thing about that is though...if you buy the $29.99 Cloud subscription now and it's good for 12 months, then they raise the price to the regular price of $49.99 or rumored to be $69.99 by then and you decide that's too steep so you cancel it. I believe your CS6 or whatever version is out at that time goes dead at that point whereas if you had bought the boxed version you can run it forever theoretically. Please correct me if that is wrong.
Quote from: gnubler on August 30, 2012, 01:59:10 PMQuote from: pspdfppdfx on August 30, 2012, 06:44:12 AMIt's a long weekend with no plans, I'll have to look into it.
You spend your free time with Adobe?
I could think of at least 87 better things to do over a long weekend...
Yeah, what was I thinking.
Anyways, looks like we'll bypass the cloud based on responses here and other info I dug up.
My head will be clearer about noon time tomorrow and I'm sure I'll find better things to do.
What was I thinking?
:drunk3:
i prefer to have a box with disks thanks
apart from having very flakey interweb connection which cuts out randomly, i'm not sure what monthly usage we'd be gettin and files here range from iddy biddy to stoopid large - so again over the pipes would suck and be lots of bad
on the plus side - well - there aint one
Quote from: Joe on August 30, 2012, 02:53:03 PMQuote from: almaink on August 30, 2012, 01:42:14 PMOne thing about the cloud is upgrades you won't get unless you go the cloud route. They just added a "a package" feature to Illustrator that only the cloud subscribers can get for example. First they kill off the Adobe Partners, now this crap, IMO Adobe is shooting itself in the foot and I wonder if they got someone who used to work at Quark running the marketing department now.
Linkage to cloud blog
http://blogs.adobe.com/creativecloud/ (http://blogs.adobe.com/creativecloud/)
The thing about that is though...if you buy the $29.99 Cloud subscription now and it's good for 12 months, then they raise the price to the regular price of $49.99 or rumored to be $69.99 by then and you decide that's too steep so you cancel it. I believe your CS6 or whatever version is out at that time goes dead at that point whereas if you had bought the boxed version you can run it forever theoretically. Please correct me if that is wrong.
I was wondering the same thing. If you buy the disk version, does it still have to go online for the licensing stuff, or can it run with no internet connection. I have worked with several casinos in the past, and the IT guys there are so paranoid, no one is allowed online access so they have to go old school and drop us off CDs and DVDs.
Quote from: DigiCorn on August 31, 2012, 09:37:07 AMQuote from: Joe on August 30, 2012, 02:53:03 PMQuote from: almaink on August 30, 2012, 01:42:14 PMOne thing about the cloud is upgrades you won't get unless you go the cloud route. They just added a "a package" feature to Illustrator that only the cloud subscribers can get for example. First they kill off the Adobe Partners, now this crap, IMO Adobe is shooting itself in the foot and I wonder if they got someone who used to work at Quark running the marketing department now.
Linkage to cloud blog
http://blogs.adobe.com/creativecloud/ (http://blogs.adobe.com/creativecloud/)
The thing about that is though...if you buy the $29.99 Cloud subscription now and it's good for 12 months, then they raise the price to the regular price of $49.99 or rumored to be $69.99 by then and you decide that's too steep so you cancel it. I believe your CS6 or whatever version is out at that time goes dead at that point whereas if you had bought the boxed version you can run it forever theoretically. Please correct me if that is wrong.
I was wondering the same thing. If you buy the disk version, does it still have to go online for the licensing stuff, or can it run with no internet connection. I have worked with several casinos in the past, and the IT guys there are so paranoid, no one is allowed online access so they have to go old school and drop us off CDs and DVDs.
You have to have internet access to activate it but not after it is activated.
Quote from: beermonster on August 31, 2012, 09:26:37 AMi prefer to have a box with disks thanks
apart from having very flakey interweb connection which cuts out randomly, i'm not sure what monthly usage we'd be gettin and files here range from iddy biddy to stoopid large - so again over the pipes would suck and be lots of bad
on the plus side - well - there aint one
The apps are still installed locally once you get them downloaded. But you have to keep an internet connection so it can phone home occasionally.
IIRC you can still call an Adobe rep (help support) and get your activation code over the phone. After that I'm pretty sure you do not need a connection at all because I know there is a way to disable the programs from connecting to Adobe's servers and they will still run. :dev2:
Yes that is correct. You do not have to have internet access all of the time for the Cloud subscription but you have to have it available when when CS6 needs it.
QuoteHere's the info from the Creative Cloud subscription FAQ:
Do I need ongoing Internet access to use my Creative Suite applications?
Because your Creative Suite applications are installed directly on your computer, you will not need an ongoing Internet connection to use them on a daily basis. However, you will need to be online when you install and license your software, and at least once every 30 days thereafter. The software will alert you when you need to connect to the Internet for a license status check.
that's because it is a monthly subscription (even if you pay for a full year, it still checks every 30 days), it needs to verify that your subscription is up-to-date
According to their web site you have to pay monthly. You sign up for a year but it automatically charges your credit card once a month. I couldn't find anywhere that it allows you to pay the full year up front.
ah ha! the plot thickens...
I was almost kinda sorta wanting to maybe sign up....
but, I'm scared (https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSyQwW4ZiYiXMoQQNU2F-XSEHGTspTlxBhsE8WRo9lncbddnYwE)
Yeah I thought I wanted to also. Then I got over it.
Great, its a no brainer then, forget the cloud route.
And i did find better things to do this weekend. Went to the beach yesterday and going again tomorrow, hit the gym twice, had a steak bbq and did some reading.
What was i thinking to spend the weekend with Adobe? :drunk3:
I wanna GooMap fix on that beach. Somehow am having trouble putting 'beach' and 'Canada' in the same sentence. But I wanna learn stuff.
Yep, off-topic, but been one of those Mondays. Anyhoo, it's only an Adobe rant, essentially. :shrug:
Quote from: frailer on September 02, 2012, 10:02:42 PMI wanna GooMap fix on that beach. Somehow am having trouble putting 'beach' and 'Canada' in the same sentence. But I wanna learn stuff.
Yep, off-topic, but been one of those Mondays. Anyhoo, it's only an Adobe rant, essentially. :shrug:
Will probably fall on deaf ears for another day. Monday is a US holiday. :crickets:
I might get an answer from Canada. Or is it them too? :undecided: Oh, BTW, I think a link was created by my just typing in Adobe. Could this be?
Not sure on Canada. It's Labor Day here.
Yeah, certain keywords automatically gets a link created. It's been doing it for a few months now. :laugh:
Quote from: Joe on September 02, 2012, 10:42:31 PMNot sure on Canada. It's Labor Day here.
Yeah, certain keywords automatically gets a link created. It's been doing it for a few months now. :laugh:
Looks like it's 'Abode' from here on then.... :angry:
Well I'd rather you not make it not create the link. I get paid for the links. :laugh:
Quote from: Joe on September 02, 2012, 10:44:50 PMWell I'd rather you not make it not create the link. I get paid for the links. :laugh:
Whoa.. reverse gear selected. Beep, beep, beep.... :grin:
Labour Day too here (with a "u" dammit)... And yes, we have beaches, I live on one...