Question for those few that have upgraded to Quark 7. I just got a PDF created from 7 that has shadows. It seems that when this file is exported to PDF Quark creates a white box that gets sandwiched between the tif image and the shadow. Unfortunately that white box is not in the same position as the tif image and creates a white line on edges of the tif. I was able to remove that box using pitstop but just wondered if anyone else is seeing this. It's a shame Quark still can't export live transparency as I also had to rebuild the front cover of this brochure by breaking up said cover into separate PDF's and rebuilding them in Indy using PDF import with transparent backgrounds and layering them back together. Of course the customer tells me, I've sent this same file to another printer and they didn't have any issues with it". I hate that...
I'd post the PDF but at 60 megs it's to big so instead here is a couple of jpegs showing what I'm talking about.
(http://mt12.quickshareit.com/share/picture2b9347.jpg)
(http://mt11.quickshareit.com/share/picture3493b0.jpg)
No help but I guess I've been lucky that our Quark 7 customers haven't used the shadow feature. Probably just haven't found it yet. Most of them are lucky to be able to turn their computer on so it might be a while longer before I see any of this. :laugh:
I am interested though if others have seen this.
I have posted this before. I was having a lot of problems with Quark 7.1 and below for years. We have about 10 customers that still use it, and I have had to adapt. I have not had any problem with Quark at all with drop shadows and for that matter, transparencies or PDFs since I discovered this:
Manager, (name withheld),
I have reviewed the PDF in question and have come up with a solution and a possible explanation as to why this PDF went bad.
First I reviewed the ripped PDF, the fonts that were subset somehow changed in kerning and spacing. I reviewed the original placed PDF, and It was okay. I then tried to determine if the problem originated from Apogee X Normalizer or Acrobat Distiller. In every instance of testing the result was the same, bad. I then placed the original PDF in Quark Versions 4-7. Breakdown as followed:
Version 4 - Bad
Version 5 - Let me know screen fonts were missing when I placed it. But still bad.
Version 6 - Bad
Version 7 - Bad
For fun, I placed the original PDF in InDesign, Illustrator and Freehand MX, Interesting results.
InDesign CS3 - Okay
InDesign CS2 - Okay
InDesign CS1 - Okay
InDesign V2 - Bad
Illustrator CS3 - Okay
Illustrator CS2 - Okay
Illustrator V10 - Okay
Freehand MX - Asked for fonts, results unknown since I do not have the fonts that were used in the original PDF
PageMaker V7 - Bad
It appears that any Adobe product past system 9-based applications have absolutely no problem printing this file as it was originally intended, go figure. Any application other than Adobe manufactured cannot print it.
So... the solution. There are two. The first is to rasterize the PDFs in Photoshop, taking care to watch out for defaulting fonts. Not the best way to do it, but it will work. The second solution is: I dug around the internet looking for explanations as to why this was happening, and I found that Quark has a problem with PDFs. It always has. If the fonts are not 100% embedded than Quark "substitutes" for the closest resemblance. People are outraged, so Quark came out with Version 7.3. I downloaded it, installed it, and it works.
In conclusion, as long as this job, and every other Quark job with placed PDFs is output from version 7.3, we are gold. Any other version before 7.3, we are taking a risk, which the customer needs to be informed about.
Jason
This is not your problem, but I thought the people would be interested. This version did clean up most of the issues you are having, at least it has for me. Try it and let me know. I have an interest in this.
Sorry, no help here either. I have trouble just printing lasers from Q7, much less making a PDF file.
Lucky for us most of the Q7 files we get don't have any shadows, maybe they're afraid.
LOL I already knew Quack 7 was garbage and thats why our shop doesn't support it, but this is the first time I've seen this issue. Bad news is I have another file on the way from this same designer and she said she used tons on transparent effects in that file and wasn't even sure they would work! I beginning to wonder if it's time to throw in the towel, and go sell cars or something...
Quark 7.3 is a free download to existing customers. DOWNLOAD IT BEFORE YOU DO THE JOB. It may not fix your problems, I don't see why it wouldn't, but it is worth the time dowloading it, if you HAVE to use Quark.
http://files.quark.com/download/73/QuarkXPress73updater_Mac.dmg
got the 7.3 updater a while back...
just put it on one Mac to see...
didn't fix squat...
just my opinion, your milage may vary.
Have you tried printing to ps and distill instead of export? That's what I do to all my Quark files because of issues with exporting to pdf.
I think almaink only has the PDF.
Quote from: david on February 21, 2008, 10:57:00 AMgot the 7.3 updater a while back...
just put it on one Mac to see...
didn't fix squat...
just my opinion, your milage may vary.
But did you get the 7.31 updater. That is the one that holds the secrets of the universe:
QuoteQuarkXPress 7.31 offers the following enhancements:
Certification on Windows Vista® and support for Mac OS® Leopard
Enhancements to spell checking that allow you to:
Find and correct duplicate words
(For example: The reports reports are out.)
Find and correct spacing errors after punctuation
(For example: See, spot can run.Can you?)
Ignore Internet & file addresses when spelling is checked
(For example: http://rootcellr/mac/ctm.htm, https://, ftp://, file://, and tcbr@fastcow.org)
Ignore words with numbers
(For example: model numbers fx25b4, fx30b4)
The QuarkXPress Passport 7.31 updater also includes:
Spell checking and hyphenation support for Norwegian (Bokmål) and Norwegian (Nynorsk) languages.
Spell checking in German, Reformed German, and Swiss German that finds and corrects capitalization errors at the beginning and within a sentence.
QuarkXPress 7.31 resolves various customer-reported issues, including:
Text reflow issues:
Customers may have experienced text reflow when opening projects created in earlier versions of QuarkXPress 7 that contained justified text with tracking applied or text set with right index tabs and negative tracking applied. These issues have been resolved.
Import and output of projects containing Creative Suite 3 (CS 3) PDFs:
Customers may have experienced issues with placing PDF files created in Creative Suite® 3 or lost alpha and spot channel information when importing PSD files created in Creative Suite 3. These issues have been resolved.
Output of hairline rules on non-PostScript devices:
Customers may have experienced incorrect output of hairline or fractional point rules on non-PostScript devices. This issue has been resolved.
Recurring error message with older versions of fonts:
Customers on Windows may have experienced a recurring error dialog when opening legacy projects that used older versions of some fonts. This issue has been resolved.
Bounding Box To Use settings for PDF import
Customers may have noticed that selections made in the Bounding Box To Use drop-down menu in the Import Picture dialog box (File > Import Picture > PDF Import) were not retained. This issue has been resolved.
Updating single occurrences of modified images
Earlier versions of QuarkXPress had no option to update a single occurrence of a modified image in a layout through the Usage dialog box. Users can now use the Shift key to update a single occurrence of a modified image in a layout.
QuarkXPress 7.31 known issues (http://www.quark.com/products/xpress/731knownissues.html)
QuarkXPress 7.31 issues resolved (http://www.quark.com/products/xpress/731issuesresolved.html)
No Joe, I haven't, thanks for the info.
NEVER export to PDF from Quark. It has bitten me so many times it is ridiculous. I print ps and distill. Maybe that is your problem. I don't generally export as PDF from any app, superstition, been bit too many times, whatever, I just do not trust it. Quark has a hard enough time just printing using it's own devices, let alone using someone else's incorporation.
My problem with Quark was the PDF issue and fonts, which 7.3 fixed. I ran many tests in a lot of programs old and new. I have had very good luck with Quark and I believe it is my experience with it. Maybe it is settings, or maybe that white line is a screen anomoly, maybe the picture is not all the way to the border... It could be a variety of things. Can you take some screen shots of your settings for print to ps in Quark? I need more details.
It's not me that's having the issue. It's almaink. And he has the PDF his customer created so he has no control over how the PDF is created. I would say though if he can delete the white line with Pitstop that it is really there though.
Yeah, I know it isn't you Joe. The first comment was for you, and thanks again.
Okay, if it is a supplied PDF from Quark, it is on their end. The reason it ain't workin' is they are using a lower version of Quark than 7.31. Can you get them to resend after they have upgraded? Or, get you a native file?
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on February 21, 2008, 11:55:44 AMYeah, I know it isn't you Joe. The first comment was for you, and thanks again.
Okay, if it is a supplied PDF from Quark, it is on their end. The reason it ain't workin' is they are using a lower version of Quark than 7.31. Can you get them to resend after they have upgraded? Or, get you a native file?
They're in India. :rainbow: I couldn't help myself..........
It was a supplied PDF. I always export to PDF from Quack 6.5 and have never had any issues doing so. In fact I haven't even launched distiller in over a year now. IF the presets are set correctly you get the same results or at least I do YMMV tho. I think it's more a problem with the way Quark flattens it's transparency than anything else. You'd think by now they would have export to PDF version 1.5 at least, to support unflattened PDF's.
Yes, Quark is stuck in postscript world. Until they escape, transparency is going to be a problem.
Quote from: almaink on February 21, 2008, 12:03:45 PMIt was a supplied PDF. I always export to PDF from Quack 6.5 and have never had any issues doing so. In fact I haven't even launched distiller in over a year now. IF the presets are set correctly you get the same results or at least I do YMMV tho. I think it's more a problem with the way Quark flattens it's transparency than anything else. You'd think by now they would have export to PDF version 1.5 at least, to support unflattened PDF's.
Be very careful almaink. I used to do the same thing when I noticed some graphics were coming out lores compared to the raw files, not all the graphics in the file just a couple here and there. And it seemed random. I did some test and came to the conclusion that distilling covered my ass. And in some cases these graphics were slightly out of whack, hard to pick up on if I didn't take a closer look.
Very true Jim. I am having issues right now with transparencies in Quark. Customer supplied PDF built in Quark 6.5. Transparencies work on some pages, others do not. No consistency whatsoever, makes it kind of hard to troubleshoot. Funny, though - I asked theis stump for the native file, she gives it to me, and nothing else... no support whatsoever. Ahhhhh Designers, it must be nice to breeze through life getting people to pick up your dogshit.
My only advice, and I know your saying it is the same, but i'm telling you, print to ps from Quark, it is much more reliable. It will not fix problems with bad PDFs, but it will help with native files.
Before I noticed there was a problem exporting to pdf I'm almost positive that jobs got printed wrong and no one noticed or at least we didn't.
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on February 21, 2008, 11:55:44 AMYeah, I know it isn't you Joe. The first comment was for you, and thanks again.
Okay, if it is a supplied PDF from Quark, it is on their end. The reason it ain't workin' is they are using a lower version of Quark than 7.31. Can you get them to resend after they have upgraded? Or, get you a native file?
Oh, sorry about that...
But I have to ask...How do you know they aren't using 7.31 and why do you think it would work if they did have 7.31? It's a transparency flattening issue that Quark refuses to address or even comment on it. Whether you export as PDF or print to PS and distill Quark still goes through postscript which means it has to flatten the transparency and Quark is not handling the transparency correctly when doing this. It's just not a good situation when Quark cannot output their own features (soft drop shadows).
Exactly the reason Quark has lost to InDesign. I hated InDesign, I am sure glad Adobe got that working right. Remember version 1 and 1.5 - God what a nightmare.
"Be very careful almaink." Thanks for that warning, however I'm anal when it comes to PDF's, and check each one out very carefully after they are made in Acrobat using Pit Stop. I've yet to see any issues like you describe. Only issues I've seen are with color spaces but even when that happens, and it rarely does anymore now that i know what presets to use for each job, it's a simple matter t go back and re-export using a different mode. My whole workflow now is complete PDF and postscript was left for those still using level 2 rips IMO. BTW I also had her create a ps file and distill that problem job and got the same results so thats not the answer unfortunately. My guess not having seen the file is the stacking order in Quack.
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on February 21, 2008, 12:24:45 PMExactly the reason Quark has lost to InDesign. I hated InDesign, I am sure glad Adobe got that working right. Remember version 1 and 1.5 - God what a nightmare.
Right U R. At least Adobe listens and fixes unlike Quack. All they do is throw Band-Aids that don't work on bugs.
Quarks solution:
Well Joe, I know what version because I asked, and further, I have read up a lot on the subjest and tested. I do every Quark job that comes in here, and drop shadows or no it works the way I do it. Like I said it could be settings, who knows at this point. Quark may not address the issue, but ohters do sporatically on the net. I found out enough to sway away from exporting, and apparently it was correct. Quark may have a flattening issue, but I can only talk about what I see... Quark works now since 7.3 and I have had no problems. Other may, I don't.
DCS, I think we're talking about different things. I'm talking about the PDF that almaink posted this thread about. I never saw anywhere that he stated it was created with 7.31. Maybe I missed that part. Sorry for the confusion.
I am so confused I am starting to think I am hearing voices again. Joe, your'e the shit dude, don't even sweat it. If we are talking about different issues, cool, if we ain't - cool. The post is about Quark 7 PDFs so I am blanketing my answers as general advice and getting to the bottom of the problem. You know this is my first forum, can't you tell... ME <----- Newbie to Forums.
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on February 21, 2008, 12:40:39 PMI am so confused I am starting to think I am hearing voices again. Joe, your'e the shit dude, don't even sweat it. If we are talking about different issues, cool, if we ain't - cool. The post is about Quark 7 PDFs so I am blanketing my answers as general advice and getting to the bottom of the problem. You know this is my first forum, can't you tell... ME <----- Newbie to Forums.
Again? :laugh: The most confusing part for me was when you said Quark 7.31 would fix the issue. Quark never fixes their issues. :evil:
On the print & distill vs export issues...I've seen both work. I've seen both give bad results. When one doesn't give me the desired results I try the other. Sometimes it fixes it. Sometimes it doesn't. If it doesn't then I try something else. That's our job. That's why we make the big bucks (hahaha). :grin:
In the context of this discussion, which I read with sweat breaking out on my brow...what a friggin' nightmare this "high end" layout app seems to have become. [some will question the "become", I guess].
I'll try and put a small smile on your faces, even momentarily. Our in-house people went for QLA, [2 seats] for Quack. I posted late last year on this, because I was in a dilemma when I realised what a potential croc QLA was. [We've got 2 seats our end]. With some hassling and inconvenience, I wrangled out of QLA, and reverted it to 2 sep seats. Just got fully up and running 2 weeks ago.
Called one of the guys you can actually talk to at the other end, with a view to him supplying me a job in 7, rather than Project/save-down. "Oh, we can't use 7 at the moment, our [QLA] server's stopped working. Apparently it was never set up properly..."
Me: :So-o-o...what's gonna happen"
Him: "Oh, we'll let you know...prolly about a year..." [his joke~he does have a sense of humour].
So, 2 pieces of Quack crap meet in head-on collision and resolve a problem.
Oh, BTW, they had to get a retailer tech to come in and set up QLA. Paid $$ for it. Looks like he did a real good job. :evil:
Again only speaking from my experiences, Quark 7.3 resolved my problems with it. If you own Quark and you have access to the updater, try it. It may or may not work for you, it did work for me. I might not should have said it would fix the problem, I should reclarify that it "might" fix you're problem, but if it is a free download what do you have to lose.
I do all the same crap Joe. It is never consistent, it never does the same thing twice, and there are about 50 solutions to every problem. That's why we have this forum, to share experiences and try, and I use the term loosly, "try" to help the other guy out. If I can save some poor schmuck 1 minute of his/her time by a suggestion, then I have helped. I suppose I need to read what I type before posting it. Thought Police anyone?
I'm glad it worked for you. Really I am. And I do appreciate your contributions. I've had 7.31 installed since the day it was released and it hasn't fixed much, if anything for me. And I'm not trying to be the thought police.
I need Thought Police. Not calling you Thought police.
Nah...you're fine. Thought police not welcome here. Prepress requires thinking "outside the box" occasionally.
Joe, being in a forum atmosphere is taking some getting used to. It's not like being on the phone or talking to your buddy in IT. You could be a woman for all I know. A guy told me a long time ago, "you have no Thought Police" meaning I just say whatever comes to mind. I need to watch what I say, and what I type. I get ahead of myself, without thinking just typing crazy and hit "post" before reading it. I am getting better, believe it or not thanks to you, so keep it up and nail me when I say something out of turn. I would much rather have a colleague correct me, giving me the chance to explain, than having a colleague read this and think I am the very stump, I claim to despise.
Using Quack these days is more like going to see The Dream Police. :police:
Back to that PDF. When you delete the white line with Pitstop what is under it? The tif or the shadow?
Can I get a copy of it?
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on February 21, 2008, 02:15:36 PMCan I get a copy of it?
I don't have it.
HA HA...now I'm just messing with you! :evil:
almaink, has it right, how 'bout from him? I want to see it. Almaink?
I think he said the file is too large--65mb
Yeah, that is a little large to mess with... I will definately keep my eyes open to the trans problem. If I see anything I'll let you all know.
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on February 21, 2008, 02:23:15 PMalmaink, has it right, how 'bout from him? I want to see it. Almaink?
Don't pay any attention to me. I'm just iced in and bored this afternoon...
Watch Logun's Run, that's what i'd be doing.
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on February 21, 2008, 02:37:22 PMWatch Logun's Run, that's what i'd be doing.
I'd be eating Earendil's birthday cake from Joe.. :wink: I cannot stop going back to it and looking some more... *wipes drool from chin* already got the wife to agree to the same when My big day hits in August.. Is it August yet?
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on February 21, 2008, 02:37:22 PMWatch Logun's Run, that's what i'd be doing.
I don't have it to watch.
Looking at your avatar I bet it would be a hoot to go with you do your banking.
Joe, I would be happy to lend it to you if you didn't live so damn far away. My wife does not let me do anything banking related. Just to embarrass her, I'll act like gimp in the bank or grocery store, then start yelling and grunting saying, "I gotta go poop." My kids got into the stocking thing on accident, so I took it a step further and started playing bank robber with them. It's fun, I am not sure what the long-term effects will be, but it's a hoot.
You guys are the champions of off-topic vagrancy.
Sorry...
sorry...
Quote from: Joe link=topic=1190.msg14307#msg14307 date=1203624546Back to that PDF. When you delete the white line with Pitstop what is under it? The tif or the shadow?
It was under the tif sandwiched between the tiff and shadow. Another odd thing is the shadow was flattened into the blue PMS background color in an unsupported color space. Pit Stop said it was CMYK but Photoshop would not open it to edit from Acrobat until I used Pit Stop to "change" that colors pace to CMYK. Not a big deal to delete it on most of the tifs. The big challenge was on the cover page because the tif itself was flattened into about 20 pieces. Funny thing is using the Acrobat Touch up image tool I was able to open it in Photoshop in one piece and save it as a tif. So after doing that it was a simple matter to just delete it from the PDF along with the white box and reassemble the whole mess in InDesign. I asked the designer to do me a favor and try this test for me.
Step and repeat the tif image in place, then delete he tif leaving just the picture box, drag that box in just a hair on all sides and fill it with white and send it behind the tif. No apply the shadow and export the sucker as a PDF.
Interested to see if this will work. It's a variation of the old trick in Quack 4 for fake duo-tones.
Any way you look at it though it's extra work for something that InDesign has no problem with.
IMO any designer who would buy Quack, when the CS suite is available, is just not doing their homework...
Quote from: gnubler on February 21, 2008, 02:51:31 PMYou guys are the champions of off-topic vagrancy.
Thank you.
Quote from: almaink on February 21, 2008, 03:03:17 PMAny way you look at it though it's extra work for something that InDesign has no problem with.
IMO any designer who would buy Quack, when the CS suite is available, is just not doing their homework...
Agreed. I have people ask me which they should buy and I always say InDesign. Actually I say Creative Suite because you get ID, Illy, PS, and Acrobat. Most people take my advice but there are a few that don't because they are hell bent on sticking with Quark. And then stuff like this happens every single time.
Me too! I have had good luck with switching people over, but there are the occassional moron's out there that refuse to accept that Quark IS DEAD!
Update on the problem. I just talked to the designer and she also made the tif image 70% transparent in Quack!
She said "I don't like to have to open up Photoshop when I can do it in Quack"! No wonder it had issues. drop shadows are one thing but manipulating an image in a page layout program is just asking for trouble, remember Quack Vista?
I give the Fxxx up. Thanks for looking and offering suggestions tho...
Quote from: almaink on February 21, 2008, 03:29:29 PMUpdate on the problem. I just talked to the designer and she also made the tif image 70% transparent in Quack!
She said "I don't like to have to open up Photoshop when I can do it in Quack"! No wonder it had issues. drop shadows are one thing but manipulating an image in a page layout program is just asking for trouble, remember Quack Vista?
I give the Fxxx up. Thanks for looking and offering suggestions tho...
LOL...but her last printer never had any problems! :axe:
... and it looks good on her screen. Shhhheeesh!
Ok, glad we got that figured out!
Beer time!
This is the most action the Quark category has ever received here in one day I think.
Happy to oblige!
Quote from: Joe on February 21, 2008, 03:32:09 PMQuote from: almaink on February 21, 2008, 03:29:29 PMUpdate on the problem. I just talked to the designer and she also made the tif image 70% transparent in Quack!
She said "I don't like to have to open up Photoshop when I can do it in Quack"! No wonder it had issues. drop shadows are one thing but manipulating an image in a page layout program is just asking for trouble, remember Quack Vista?
I give the Fxxx up. Thanks for looking and offering suggestions tho...
LOL...but her last printer never had any problems! :axe:
customer just said the exact same thing to me yesterday about her Quark 6.5 file.. she has been converted to Indesign. :evil:
she came by to go over some issues we were having with her file, fonts, RGB images, you name it, it was wrong.. I bit a damn hole through my tongue when she told me other printers had NEVER had any problems with her file...
it took all of 5 minutes and showing her just a couple of things in Indesign, and she said, "Well, I have been thinking of switching over anyway, just been scared to make the jump into learning a WHOLE NEW APP"... :rolleyes: all it took was showing her they really arent all that different, and she bit, hook line and sinker.. Sorry Quark!(no Im not)
Quote from: ninjaPB_43 on February 21, 2008, 04:00:37 PMQuote from: Joe on February 21, 2008, 03:32:09 PMQuote from: almaink on February 21, 2008, 03:29:29 PMUpdate on the problem. I just talked to the designer and she also made the tif image 70% transparent in Quack!
She said "I don't like to have to open up Photoshop when I can do it in Quack"! No wonder it had issues. drop shadows are one thing but manipulating an image in a page layout program is just asking for trouble, remember Quack Vista?
I give the Fxxx up. Thanks for looking and offering suggestions tho...
LOL...but her last printer never had any problems! :axe:
customer just said the exact same thing to me yesterday about her Quark 6.5 file.. she has been converted to Indesign. :evil:
she came by to go over some issues we were having with her file, fonts, RGB images, you name it, it was wrong.. I bit a damn hole through my tongue when she told me other printers had NEVER had any problems with her file...
it took all of 5 minutes and showing her just a couple of things in Indesign, and she said, "Well, I have been thinking of switching over anyway, just been scared to make the jump into learning a WHOLE NEW APP"... :rolleyes: all it took was showing her they really arent all that different, and she bit, hook line and sinker.. Sorry Quark!(no Im not)
Here ya go. You get a gold star for converting someone from the depths of Quark Hell into InDesign paradise.
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on February 21, 2008, 03:48:12 PMHappy to oblige!
All members that have not posted in this thread should...just so they can be a part of history.
Thanks for the gold star, its just what Ive been needing. Too bad she'll take her polished Indesign file elsewhere next time.. (kidding, I hope.. it just seems to be the way) :cheesy:
quack sucks - i have it in mind to no longer upgrade - i'll stop at v7
am i part of history now?
Earlier on this week I had the opportunity to use 7.2 on a fairly meaty Dual 3Ghz duo core with 5 Gig of ram at a freelance gig. I couldn't believe how poor the whole thing was. QX couldn't even draw the damn screen correctly. Ruler increments webnt all screwy and text changed appearance changed as you dragged a marquee over it. And it seemed really sluggish.
Drag application to bin, then empty bin.
Quote from: Joe on February 21, 2008, 04:14:48 PMQuote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on February 21, 2008, 03:48:12 PMHappy to oblige!
All members that have not posted in this thread should...just so they can be a part of history.
I'm in
:afro:
Quote from: born2print on February 22, 2008, 02:34:23 PMQuote from: Joe on February 21, 2008, 04:14:48 PMQuote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on February 21, 2008, 03:48:12 PMHappy to oblige!
All members that have not posted in this thread should...just so they can be a part of history.
I'm in
:afro:
You are now on "the list"...
Quote from: beermonster on February 22, 2008, 07:06:34 AMquack sucks - i have it in mind to no longer upgrade - i'll stop at v7
am i part of history now?
And so are you.
:window:
Quote from: beermonster on February 22, 2008, 07:06:34 AMquack sucks - i have it in mind to no longer upgrade - i'll stop at v7
We stopped at 6.52 for Mac and 4.0whatever for Windows. It hasn't cost
us a penny yet, and has probably saved us both time and money of late.
stopped at 6.5 no plans for 7 8 or 9. bought quark to indesign plugin. works enough. hate quark now that i use indesign.
i am in history now as well right guys and gals????
My home personal copy of Quark - which started off in 1991 as an educational copy of Q3 - will probably stop forever where it currently sits, 6.52
The only reason I went from 4 - 5 and then from 5 - 6 is because I beta tested 5 and 6 and Quark eventually sent me upgrade offers for beta testers making it so cheap I couldn't refuse.
Well, I didn't bother beta testing 7 and haven't gotten any discount offers so I say it's brussels sprouts and the hell with it.
I can almost guarantee you that your "Picture Boxes" have "White" as a background color instead of "None".
Quark has "piece of shit" trapping rules built in.
You could go in and change the way the picture traps or just change the "Picture Box Background" to "None".
The same thing would happen in your RIP with a white background in a picture box.
The white box part of the picture box is trapping to the background rather than the picture itself trapping to the background.
MSD
Quote from: WharfRat on February 23, 2008, 11:28:22 AMI can almost guarantee you that your "Picture Boxes" have "White" as a background color instead of "None".
Quark has "piece of shit" trapping rules built in.
You could go in and change the way the picture traps or just change the "Picture Box Background" to "None".
The same thing would happen in your RIP with a white background in a picture box.
The white box part of the picture box is trapping to the background rather than the picture itself trapping to the background.
MSD
That's an interesting theory. I'd be interested to know if that is it. I don't believe my RIP would trap it that way though or I'd be seeing this a lot and I don't.
I think you are all too hard on QuarkXPress.
As Buzz Aldrin said in a Simpsons episode: '2 comes right after 1' :grin:
Quote from: WharfRat on February 23, 2008, 11:28:22 AMI can almost guarantee you that your "Picture Boxes" have "White" as a background color instead of "None".
Quark has "piece of shit" trapping rules built in.
You could go in and change the way the picture traps or just change the "Picture Box Background" to "None".
The same thing would happen in your RIP with a white background in a picture box.
The white box part of the picture box is trapping to the background rather than the picture itself trapping to the background.
Of course you are correct, the only problem is making the box white is the only way to get the effect she wants here. Using none or 0% of black melds the tif with the shadow because of the transparency applied to the tif above the shadow. And no trapping was applied, that white box is just out of position and also the wrong size. What should have happened when it was flattened is the white should have become part of the tif image not a separate piece. Another odd thing is the shadow that should have been an overprint became part of a piece of the background. Funny thing was although Pit Stop saw the tif a many pieces, Acrobat itself let me select it as one image and I was able to edit it in Photoshop thereby saving it as a Tif to be reassembled the correct way in Indy. Good thing to as it would have been a real pain trying to select all those separate pieces.