Will be having this installed in a few weeks. The APPE successor to Celebrant RIP. Not many users in the U.S., maybe, but I know there have been a reasonable number of installs here, and would be a few in the UK as well, would imagine.
Welcome any experiences/tips/problems solved...
Have a dumb box in situ to play with until Mon 19th. The GUI is a bit Kinder Surprise meets Mario Kart. My young compadre is unimpressed with the onboard Impo. I guess he'll be droppin' imposed PREPS stuff in for a while. :laugh:
TBH, I don't know exactly what an ideal interface for pp workflow would be, but I have a vague idea, given my short career on the digital side of things. One thing I'm less vague about, is I doubt whether there were any experienced pp people there when they built it. :rolleyes:
It'll work though, including the impo. Like any stuff like this...after a while, you don't think about it.
Screenshots when we're running and hooked up, for anyone who has a slight curiosity about it.
Oh, it has a check-box which eliminates the dreaded 'White Overprint'. Just as well; if it didn't, I would not be happy, Jan!
Looks like any other APPE I guess. (See attached shot). It works...
Similar...only different than Prinergy. :laugh:
For anyone coming to XMF, or upgrading from Celebrant, be sure to get the installer, or yourself, to set Trapping initially, to "Normal".
Ours was set to "Centred". Nearly got badly burned. Picked up the inappropriate Trap setting at the 11th hour. Subtle...well not so, really. Coulda been an expensive mistake. :shocked:
Posting a shot of (part...there's more on the scroll-down), the Imposition>Signature Window. For anyone who's vaguely interested.
Works pretty well, all-up. Some odd stuff you have to do to achieve certain things, but overall, not bad. My time spent in Dynastrip has stood me in good stead though. :laugh: Anything's gotta be easier than that.
Also has the "Split Page for Left/Right Binding" too, for Spreads. Same as Prinergy, and other APPE 'flows, I guess. Great having stuff like that built in.
I have XMF 2.5.4... cool soft. 5 used have celebra 5.3.
APPE Conveniently, imposishion. jdf and preps 6.
russia.
You sure are up to date polbol. Have you got the Imposition module, or bringing PREPS 6 JDFs in instead? And how do you like PREPS 6?
Post any other comments on problems...or good stuff, even. :laugh:
Welcome to b4p, too. :cool:
Sorry, re-reading your post, looks like you have the Imposition. v2.6 had just been released the day before our install, so we scraped in without the hassle of an update later. It's definitely improving; and am quite getting used to it. They placed an extra Menu Bar Item for re-arranging Sheets into groups for Section Sewn impositions. This is a great feature. Once you have your entire Impo built; just drag them into sub-groups for the sewn sections. Numbering will flow accordingly. I used to make up separate jobs in Dynastrip for these. Someone told me that you can achieve this in PREPS, but have a feeling this is a workaround of some sort.
Shall post screenshots on Monday.
From the Help on Assembly Sections. new to current version.
Screenshot below.
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Assembly Sections
The Assembly Sections panel shows a list of the sheets in the Imposition grouped into Assembly Sections.
Create New Sections
Create new sections by splitting existing sections as follows:
Select a sheet and click on the 'New Section' button, or right-click on a sheet and select 'New Section'.
A new section will be created containing the selected sheet and the subsequent sheets in the section.
Delete Sections
Sections can be deleted by merging two sections as follows:
Either click the bar between the two sections and click the 'Delete' button, or right-click between the two sections and select 'Delete'
Change the Binding Style of Sections
The binding style of a section can be changed as follows:
Either select a section (or sheet in a section) and select the binding style from the Binding Style drop-down list at the bottom of the panel, or right-click on the section and selecting the binding style from the menu.
Changing the Position of Sheets
Sheets can be dragged to change their order, or to move them from one section to another. Sections can be adjusted by dragging the divider between two sections.
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We while independently study XMF a demo.
I use the help.
We do not have output equipment CtP
We try tiff export
In Ipmosishion there is no analogue collation mark preps (1,2,3-sigcollzd.eps)
Are you talking about bringing in collation marks from PREPS? We don't use them; most of our stuff smaller saddle-stitch.
If you are bringing in JDF from PREPS, v6 of PREPS supports MIME. No need for separate Marks folder on server. All info will be in the JDF.
Just in case it's relevant. :undecided:
I think using JDF better when working with MIS. (sale-prepress-press-postpress). With only faster prepress work preps-> ps, pdf-> RIP
sorry my english, I use google translator :rolleyes:
No worries on the translation, It'll do. If you don't have the imposition, JDF from PREPS would be a must, forgetting MIS stuff. It will allow you to do a certain degree of imposition editing within XMF, including, I am led to believe, the all-important late page replacement.
Just to bear in mind, is all.
Now we use a paper model of the entire order. him transfer the information into Preps. Basic templates perfect and saddle. 8 and 4 pages sheet. (16-1, 8-1, N-11.)
We have the organizational the problem, the director decides to buy or not soft-hard. And the performers often do not have detailed information about the product.
human factor :))
preps, xmf, pitstop this our personal initiative
A bit hard for me to work out what you have, rather than what you would like. So, you have PREPS+XMF? Without the Imposition in XMF? I know you've stated above that you jhave it, but are you still on Celebrant?
The Imposition inside XMF is very good. Not without some faults, but I'm sure they will iron out bugs and add features. The fact that it's integrated is a huge plus.
XMF demo version....
The Price around 20000Е. If come to a conclusion about buying, we want to find in XMF something greater than APPE and imposishion Our works amount 30-40 rolls of the film AGFA 669*60 at month.
I guess it would depend on how critical your images are, nature of your work etc. If you are not experiencing too many transparency/flattening problems, and PREPS is doing the job for you, you can put it off for a while.
Bear in mind though, Fujifilm stated that Celebrant would at some stage cease to have an upgrade value. I.e. you would be paying full price for XMF after that, not an upgrade price.
Also, they officially ceased further maintenance on bug fixes etc. last month. It is now a legacy product.
It is a lot of Euros, but the person with the say on the money needs to keep these things in mind. You will only slide backwards from here.
Oh, also, be careful with imposition licencing. If 2 people need to be imposing in XMF at the same time, 1 seat is not enough. You have to both quit out of XMF client, then the person passing the impo to you as to restart after you. Can be a PITA.
When the time comes, you could try and get a reduction on the amount of the extra impo.
Just some thoughts.
If you build a printing press. XMF is more profitable, better. (CS2-4, XMF). Now we have (CS2-4, pitstop, quit imposing-Acrobat, imposer pro-indesign, preps, celebra). Preps for large orders. Small (4-cover, 2-cover, etc.) is faster to do in InDes, Acrobat
Which program is better to make Web Growth? preps or xmf? print Newsline S30. (roll, newspaper). Preps very long processes files ... In the Internet is very little information on the practical application of this option in Russian
On the Internet I found very few users Celebra, luxel and other products ffei. To exchange experience.
Or little installation of equipment in Russia or these products work very well. :)) and require additional information
Sheetfed here. Web growth would scare the pants off me. :shocked: Someone who does web may have some input.
Not a lot of FFEI users here. Mainly a north American group. More Kodak/Agfa/Heidelberg+ others like RamPage, Nexus. There are some threads over at printplanet.com forums. One or two not happy with some stuff, but I don't quite understand what they were complaining about to be honest. :undecided:
Quote from: polbol on November 11, 2009, 02:44:42 PMWhich program is better to make Web Growth? preps or xmf? print Newsline S30. (roll, newspaper). Preps very long processes files ... In the Internet is very little information on the practical application of this option in Russian
I know nothing of web growth in XMF but I do know web growth in Preps. If you are printing from Preps to a printer you have to print as In-RIP separations and this will give you separated output but the Printer/RIP you are printing to will have to understand the output from Preps which means the colors are different sized as that's what web growth does. We used to have to print twice. Once as Host-based for composite output for proofs and then again with Web Growth applied for outputting one-bit tifs for plates. It works but kind of a pain.
Then Preps added web growth to JDF output. If you can output a JDF file with web growth applied then your RIP has to be able to understand it in the JDF file. If it does you are golden. If it doesn't it just ignores it. Since moving to Prinergy, web growth is applied during the screening to one-bit tiffs and has made my life a whole lot simpler.
Frailer, what happened when you left the trapping on centered ??? I'm trying to get the proofing situation before I send a pretty huge job to plate. Reverse type looks plugged on the prooof, but looks OK previewing same doc in the edit window. Your thoughts ....
Well, it appears that fixed the problem. I remembered reading your post a while back. Oh yeah, I'm still here. Did a 4.5 hour online meeting today, then had to call him back when I discovered all of the paths were out of sorts - anyway the new proof looks AOK. Thanx again. Later...
From what I can gather, and the tech advice on this is not too 'deep', centred is a one-size-fits-all setting. Which in some instances may work, and may be what you want. But 'Normal' takes into account more factors in terms of what's under the element to be trapped; generally smarter, I guess.
The other one to watch is under Trapping Threshholds. just below...'Sliding trap' is default at 70%. If you ever have problems with fine type where the serifs are being unevenly trapped, change it to 90% for that job, and re-render. Should fix it well enough.
Sliding Trap is where an element is being trapped across a gradient, or similar. 70% is the default for most situations if XMF is confronted with such a trap.
That's as deep and meaningful as they got on this. As to the whys and wherefors... :shrug:
LOL, it's 1200 hrs Friday here. I've gotta do the subtraction. And yeah, we first noticed trapping 'centred' problems when a fine vector 4 col illustration trapped thick'n'ugly. Similar to your problem, I guess. Grrr...dumb setting. Since I reset the 'Normal' as the default for those tickets, I haven'yt had to think about trapping. Well, not until an in-house desinger place coloured type straddled over a tint box...running over an image. Nothing would fix that, except some PhotoShop work to extend the image. :banghead:
...just playing around here, waiting for plate output, dave. This is something I'm a bit green on, as we don't do huge volumes of flatwork, or ganging, but it's good to know, and not readily obvious.
If you kick off a Flatwork job, hit the red button. This will take you into the page setup thumbnail, which is 'live', and you can number, set number of vertical/horizontal pages, make single sided/sheet etc.
-now...if you decide it's a stuffup, and you want to start again, hit the red button again. Once setup is initiated, it will flick the previous and update.
-OK, if you now want to add Independent pages, hit the green button. It will add another page(s) on the sheet, and you can adjust/move etc....
Bear in mind I'm still playing with this myself. Well, playing with something, anyway... :laugh:
...see attached.
...and let's 'tweak' that. When you want to add, say, a 2nd Sig...like gang a biz card, de-select all in window. Then, the only active button will be the 'green' one, as indicated below. You will then get the window to set up that Sig, and add it/move it on the sheet. Same applies for setting the measuring stuff to Dyna. The Ctl+Shift~click for your set-to point. Then another click on the point on the object to be moved...set X, Y offsets in field on right...update. We'll get there! :laugh: My mind's (slightly) clearer than yours at the moment. :cheesy:
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
I have a headache for some reason. :laugh:
Quote from: Joe on February 11, 2010, 10:15:06 PM:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
I have a headache for some reason. :laugh:
:laugh: ...numbness sets in after a while. :cheesy:
But really, it's not so bad, once you get used to the slight illogicality of the windows/buttons. Just like Dynastrip, really. Oh, OK...the reason for the headache. :undecided:
It's too late in the week for me to think hard enough to decipher what you said up there. Maybe Monday I'll read it again. :tongue: But I'll give you credit...you sound like you know what you are talking about. :laugh:
OK, I think I need a nap now. I need a cot here at work so I can rest up.
Hey.....
I have a brochure that looks AOK in the preview, but when its sent to print, the type gets alll globby and unreadable. I had a similar situation yesterday, but was able to correct by fixing the trap settings as you discussed above. Its lighter reverse type in a darker photo background. Any suggestions...
Friday evening and Im still at work ...
Thanx....
We are 16 hours out from you, and I've only just re-connected here at home Saturday, with old (flaky) modem.
"Globby" ? Do mean fattened up from (over)trapping? There should be settings for degree of trap. At home I can't get in there and look. Also, try turning trapping off altogether. That's my Step#1...then other stuff. Shall look in as I can, 'net connection permitting.
Good luck
Hey....
Could you give me some advice on trap and overprint advice with XMF ???
We were running .003 trap using the Esko flow. The default in XMF I think is .002.
What I'm more concerned are the rest of the trapping and overprint and where they ought to be.
BTB, turning off the trap on that one job fixed the problem with the proof output - I guess maybe XMF was trapping the trap, but how can that be if the checkbox to ignore doc trap was checked ???
Well, at least I'm sending jobs to plate now - I need to go back and review my initial marks settings and change some of them - before I get too many sheet templates saved....
Later...
Shall have to wait until back at work Monday before detailed look at what you're asking. Also not sure where you're trapping in your 'flow outside of XMF.
Yep, get your marks as you want before too many SSTs are made up. Shall post here later...Sunday, and I'm on espresso duty. Wife doin' muffins.
:walker:
...espresso and muffins now under belt... :laugh:
Regarding Dynamic Marks, how are you going with those? I tend to turn a lot of them off, (green radio buttons). FWIW I tend to use the rightmost page trim option, (minimalist), but make them "all sides". They shouldn't fall inside job, assuming, but just check. This gets them onto spines and other places where you need them. I don't need/like all the extra Sig Mark options, but your needs may be different. I particularly like the Blind Folios ability. We use that a lot for numbering outside of trim.
On Custom Marks...very similar to Dyna. Getting into the swing of banging them up in Illy is a good thing. I just keep an Illy doc ready to go inside the Custom Marks folder, from where they're imported into XMF. Open, customise>Save As.
When you place them, you'll think you're in Dyna. You've got a 'live' mark ready to hover>click>(place). You can then adjust its position over on the right in the offset fields, but a lot of the time I manage to hit'em in place with the mouse, without further adjustment.
On that trapping thing, you'll just have to test and re-test, until you find what's happening. Yes, am guessing it should be ignoring trapping if it's set that way, but you may have to run that past your Fuji person with the specifics.
I take it you've seen the Trap Width fields. I haven't had to fiddle with them much...hardly at all. If you've got 'ugly' type issues, could be you need to tweak them though.