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Title: Help doing Imposition
Post by: K3NS4N on March 29, 2022, 04:11:32 PM
Hello community, I have a dude, how can I make this imposition? 
I'm using preps 8.3
Title: Re: Help doing Imposition
Post by: Joe on March 29, 2022, 09:02:41 PM
Are you wanting a template or a fold pattern?
Title: Re: Help doing Imposition
Post by: K3NS4N on March 29, 2022, 09:59:42 PM
Quote from: Joe on March 29, 2022, 09:02:41 PMAre you wanting a template or a fold pattern?
hi Joe
I'm waiting a fold pattern
Title: Re: Help doing Imposition
Post by: Joe on March 30, 2022, 07:16:25 AM
I'm not great with fold patterns but it looks like what is supplied with Preps there is not an existing fold pattern that will layout the pages in that configuration so I would start with one of the 64 page JDF fold patterns and get it in that orientation and then renumber the pages and save as a new custom fold pattern.
Title: Re: Help doing Imposition
Post by: Foozball on March 30, 2022, 11:27:45 AM
There's a lot of questions here ... but as a start I'd look at how P2 could face P3?
Honestly, go "old school" hit PRINT then try to fold it, over write the pages on this layout and update it then print it again to confirm it works.

I did it a few weeks back for a weird display carton my brain just couldn't grasp ... if it works, it works!
Title: Re: Help doing Imposition
Post by: David on March 30, 2022, 11:43:57 AM
Looks like a giant skinny work & turn, not sure how this could possibly be folded as a single sheet.
The paper thickness would make the center spreads push out way too much.
Title: Re: Help doing Imposition
Post by: Joe on March 30, 2022, 11:59:05 AM
It would definitely help if he explained what he is trying to create.
Title: Re: Help doing Imposition
Post by: born2print on March 30, 2022, 12:13:26 PM
Quote from: David on March 30, 2022, 11:43:57 AMLooks like a giant skinny work & turn, not sure how this could possibly be folded as a single sheet.
The paper thickness would make the center spreads push out way too much.
Yeah, looks like multiple signatures jammed together.
Title: Re: Help doing Imposition
Post by: DCurry on March 30, 2022, 12:28:09 PM
Might be a "come and go" layout?
Title: Re: Help doing Imposition
Post by: madbugger on March 30, 2022, 01:28:31 PM
the only way I can see that working is as a work and tumble, gripped to either left or right side of sheet.

would then need each (section) cut to 8 pages along the thick black gutters and becomes a traditional 64 pg, 8 sections saddle stitch. 

knowing the page size might also help a little, if they are A4 then I don't know of any press anywhere that could print that sheet 
Title: Re: Help doing Imposition
Post by: johnny_jay on March 30, 2022, 01:50:03 PM
Looks like it may be a cut and stack. Not sure if those are webs or signatures.
Title: Re: Help doing Imposition
Post by: Joe on March 30, 2022, 01:51:44 PM
Where I worked we could do a 64 page double parallel press run...1 press run but it would deliver as 2 separate 32 page sections but our folders wouldn't work with that particle layout.
Title: Re: Help doing Imposition
Post by: K3NS4N on March 30, 2022, 02:12:57 PM
-Page Size 148x210mm (A5)
-material bond 70gr
-all pages are black and white
-Binding Style: Saddle-Stitched
-this job is for a davidson 702 machine
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbTG1oITrbk
-manual collated (I don't know how to say this it english)
 example video manual collated
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31Jbs_T4fXQ

thank you everybody
Title: Re: Help doing Imposition
Post by: johnny_jay on March 30, 2022, 02:18:58 PM
I came up with the attached, not a fold pattern, but sectioned.
Title: Re: Help doing Imposition
Post by: K3NS4N on March 30, 2022, 02:24:35 PM
Quote from: johnny_jay on March 30, 2022, 02:18:58 PMI came up with the attached, not a fold pattern, but sectioned.
hi Mr, what preps version are you using?
I could do it a similar imposition using preps 7.13 (2 year ago)
but on house printing use preps 9
Title: Re: Help doing Imposition
Post by: Joe on March 30, 2022, 03:19:05 PM
If you do an imposition in Preps 7 you can do it preps 9. Not a whole lot has changed between the Preps versions.

So on that press is that 8 separate press runs?
Title: Re: Help doing Imposition
Post by: Joe on March 30, 2022, 03:21:10 PM
Quote from: K3NS4N on March 30, 2022, 02:12:57 PM-Page Size 148x210mm (A5)
-material bond 70gr
-all pages are black and white
-Binding Style: Saddle-Stitched
-this job is for a davidson 702 machine
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbTG1oITrbk
-manual collated (I don't know how to say this it english)
 example video manual collated
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31Jbs_T4fXQ

thank you everybody
Wow! That is some manual collation!
Title: Re: Help doing Imposition
Post by: K3NS4N on March 30, 2022, 03:32:20 PM
Quote from: Joe on March 30, 2022, 03:19:05 PMIf you do an imposition in Preps 7 you can do it preps 9. Not a whole lot has changed between the Preps versions.
So on that press is that 8 separate press runs?
these imposition works on preps 7.13 but doesn't work on preps 8/9
Quote from: Joe on March 30, 2022, 03:21:10 PM
Quote from: K3NS4N on March 30, 2022, 02:12:57 PM-Page Size 148x210mm (A5)
-material bond 70gr
-all pages are black and white
-Binding Style: Saddle-Stitched
-this job is for a davidson 702 machine
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbTG1oITrbk
-manual collated (I don't know how to say this it english)
 example video manual collated
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31Jbs_T4fXQ

thank you everybody
Wow! That is some manual collation!
welcome to latin america ;)
Title: Re: Help doing Imposition
Post by: Joe on March 30, 2022, 03:35:55 PM
The impo that was posted above can be created in Preps 9. I don't have Preps at home but it is a simple imposition.
Title: Re: Help doing Imposition
Post by: K3NS4N on March 30, 2022, 05:01:55 PM
Quote from: Joe on March 30, 2022, 03:35:55 PMThe impo that was posted above can be created in Preps 9. I don't have Preps at home but it is a simple imposition.
maybe you could see it here

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1COeiDTzJ5Ov_fgDfqJmbva7auHPhYiEa
Title: Re: Help doing Imposition
Post by: Joe on March 30, 2022, 05:59:36 PM
The only difference between the preps 7 and preps 9 video is that Preps 7 automatically assign the first sheet and A1,A16 and sheet 2 A15,A2 etc....while Preps 9 assigned sheet 1 as A1,A2, sheet 2 as A3,A4 etc. In Preps 9 you can change them by clicking the first sheet in the bottom panel and over in the right hand column click the Signature Information button and change A1,A2 to A1,A16, sheet 2 change it from A3,A4 to A15,A2 and so on. I have never seen Preps auto assign them the way yours did in Preps 7. For me they were always assigned as A1,A2, and A3,A4 etc....

After I manually change the sheets assignments in Preps 9 I now have this...in Preps 9.

Screen Shot 2022-03-30 at 6.58.05 PM.jpg
Title: Re: Help doing Imposition
Post by: K3NS4N on March 30, 2022, 07:14:42 PM
Quote from: Joe on March 30, 2022, 05:59:36 PMThe only difference between the preps 7 and preps 9 video is that Preps 7 automatically assign the first sheet and A1,A16 and sheet 2 A15,A2 etc....while Preps 9 assigned sheet 1 as A1,A2, sheet 2 as A3,A4 etc. In Preps 9 you can change them by clicking the first sheet in the bottom panel and over in the right hand column click the Signature Information button and change A1,A2 to A1,A16, sheet 2 change it from A3,A4 to A15,A2 and so on. I have never seen Preps auto assign them the way yours did in Preps 7. For me they were always assigned as A1,A2, and A3,A4 etc....

After I manually change the sheets assignments in Preps 9 I now have this...in Preps 9.

Screen Shot 2022-03-30 at 6.58.05 PM.jpg
Sorry mr Joe, could you record a video for make this imposition?

Title: Re: Help doing Imposition
Post by: Joe on March 30, 2022, 08:54:58 PM
https://test.b4print.com/images/video/Preps9-impo.mp4
Title: Re: Help doing Imposition
Post by: K3NS4N on March 30, 2022, 10:57:02 PM
Quote from: Joe on March 30, 2022, 08:54:58 PMhttps://test.b4print.com/images/video/Preps9-impo.mp4
thanks a lot Mr Joe
Title: Re: Help doing Imposition
Post by: Tracy on March 31, 2022, 12:39:50 PM
:)  yeah Mr Joe is one of the good guys!
Title: Re: Help doing Imposition
Post by: Joe on March 31, 2022, 01:52:49 PM
Quote from: Tracy on March 31, 2022, 12:39:50 PM:)  yeah Mr Joe is one of the good guys!
Shhhhh......
Title: Re: Help doing Imposition
Post by: Tracy on March 31, 2022, 02:28:57 PM
when I said good I meant mean!  ;D
Title: Re: Help doing Imposition
Post by: Shi on April 05, 2022, 09:31:53 AM
Hello, K3NS4N, I also saw your post on CPC
Title: Re: Help doing Imposition
Post by: K3NS4N on April 12, 2022, 11:49:24 PM
Quote from: Shi on April 05, 2022, 09:31:53 AMHello, K3NS4N, I also saw your post on CPC
haha
Yes I posted on cpc too ;D