Removing masks in Acrobat without PitStop

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DigiCorn

May 14, 2024, 09:31:52 AM
I have a job I need to fix bleed on (392 pages) and the bleed is there in the file, but it's masked. I need to use a PDF Fixup to remove the masks, but can't figure it out. Is it even possible? The file originated in PDFium.
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Joe

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May 14, 2024, 09:33:59 AM Last Edit: May 14, 2024, 09:37:37 AM by Joe
Quote from: DigiCorn on May 14, 2024, 09:31:52 AMI have a job I need to fix bleed on (392 pages) and the bleed is there in the file, but it's masked. I need to use a PDF Fixup to remove the masks, but can't figure it out. Is it even possible? The file originated in PDFium.
Yes...with Pitstop. But you want to just change the size of the mask instead of deleting it. Deleting the mask can cause other issues.

Also with Pitstop there are "add bleed" optiosn that will extend the mask if the bleed content is there. If it isn't there it will flip and mirror what is there to fill the void. Takes some practice using it though.
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DigiCorn

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May 14, 2024, 09:47:11 AM
Quote from: Joe on May 14, 2024, 09:33:59 AMYes...with Pitstop. But you want to just change the size of the mask instead of deleting it. Deleting the mask can cause other issues.

Also with Pitstop there are "add bleed" optiosn that will extend the mask if the bleed content is there. If it isn't there it will flip and mirror what is there to fill the void. Takes some practice using it though.
As of now, we do not have PitStop.
"There's been a lot of research recently on how hard it is to dislodge an impression once it's been implanted in someone's mind. (This is why political attack ads don't have to be true to be effective. The other side can point out their inaccuracies, but the voter's mind privileges the memory of the original accusation, which was juicier than any counterargument ever could be.)"
― Johnny Carson

"Selling my soul would be a lot easier if I could just find it."
– Nikki Sixx

"Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut."
― Ernest Hemingway

born2print

#3
May 14, 2024, 10:12:55 AM
Run w/o bleeds and under-trim it?
My lips are moving and the sound's coming out
The words are audible but I have my doubts
That you realize what has been said

Joe

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May 14, 2024, 10:22:09 AM
Quote from: DigiCorn on May 14, 2024, 09:47:11 AMAs of now, we do not have PitStop.
Do a trial.
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DigiCorn

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May 14, 2024, 10:48:44 AM
Apparently, and this is weird, the pages were mystically linked together in sections somehow. I used the, "Edit PDF," tool, selected the masked area and right-clicked. Then I selected, "Remove Artifact," and the mask was removed... but it did it on all like pages, so I only had to edit about a half dozen pages to fix the whole document. Weird, right?
"There's been a lot of research recently on how hard it is to dislodge an impression once it's been implanted in someone's mind. (This is why political attack ads don't have to be true to be effective. The other side can point out their inaccuracies, but the voter's mind privileges the memory of the original accusation, which was juicier than any counterargument ever could be.)"
― Johnny Carson

"Selling my soul would be a lot easier if I could just find it."
– Nikki Sixx

"Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut."
― Ernest Hemingway

DigiCorn

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May 14, 2024, 10:50:10 AM
Quote from: Joe on May 14, 2024, 10:22:09 AMDo a trial.
IT has everything locked down. I can barely download anything, and can't install anything without their permission. I can't even add a script to InDesign/Acrobat.
"There's been a lot of research recently on how hard it is to dislodge an impression once it's been implanted in someone's mind. (This is why political attack ads don't have to be true to be effective. The other side can point out their inaccuracies, but the voter's mind privileges the memory of the original accusation, which was juicier than any counterargument ever could be.)"
― Johnny Carson

"Selling my soul would be a lot easier if I could just find it."
– Nikki Sixx

"Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut."
― Ernest Hemingway

Joe

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May 14, 2024, 11:18:29 AM
Quote from: DigiCorn on May 14, 2024, 10:48:44 AMApparently, and this is weird, the pages were mystically linked together in sections somehow. I used the, "Edit PDF," tool, selected the masked area and right-clicked. Then I selected, "Remove Artifact," and the mask was removed... but it did it on all like pages, so I only had to edit about a half dozen pages to fix the whole document. Weird, right?
Sounds dangerous. Check everything carefully.
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DigiCorn

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May 14, 2024, 11:19:52 AM
Quote from: Joe on May 14, 2024, 11:18:29 AMSounds dangerous. Check everything carefully.
duh!

It checked out just fine.
"There's been a lot of research recently on how hard it is to dislodge an impression once it's been implanted in someone's mind. (This is why political attack ads don't have to be true to be effective. The other side can point out their inaccuracies, but the voter's mind privileges the memory of the original accusation, which was juicier than any counterargument ever could be.)"
― Johnny Carson

"Selling my soul would be a lot easier if I could just find it."
– Nikki Sixx

"Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut."
― Ernest Hemingway

DCurry

#9
May 15, 2024, 08:06:42 AM
I can't imagine doing prepress without Pitstop these days. I'm sure you have to figure out all kinds of ways to do what needs to be done. 

Glad you got it sorted. 
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Rodi

#10
May 15, 2024, 08:52:32 AM
PDF Toolbox may help in this instance.

You can send it to me and I'd be happy to try it for you.


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DigiCorn

#11
May 15, 2024, 09:27:38 AM
The file was supplied as a PDF and it was 5.44" x 7.62" with no bleeds, and the client wanted it 8.5" x 11" with bleeds. I was able to enlarge it and fix the page geometry and add a bleed through PDF fixups (it was all vector art, solid color blocks and text - nothing raster) and stretch out certain pages with the edit PDF tool, but the masks were throwing me; you can't adjust the mask without PitStop in Acrobat.

I originally realized that I could cut and paste the color blocks and then send-to-back, but that would have required me doing that a few hundred times, as would have editing the item in Illustrator, so I was looking for a quick fix. I know I could have made a few Parent pages in InDesign and then done a multipage import of the PDF, but again, there were several hundred pages with different colors (left and right) that would have had to have been matched up (and some of them had a white knockout in different places to create pseudo tabs).

Eventually I realized the fix I employed, and it worked. I used the compare tool in Acrobat to check the text and make sure nothing moved or got mislayered. It checked out good, so I'm done.

I am getting quotes for PitStop, but even with I might have still had issues because I'm not sure you can automate mask removal on multiple pages.
"There's been a lot of research recently on how hard it is to dislodge an impression once it's been implanted in someone's mind. (This is why political attack ads don't have to be true to be effective. The other side can point out their inaccuracies, but the voter's mind privileges the memory of the original accusation, which was juicier than any counterargument ever could be.)"
― Johnny Carson

"Selling my soul would be a lot easier if I could just find it."
– Nikki Sixx

"Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut."
― Ernest Hemingway

Joe

#12
May 15, 2024, 09:43:56 AM
Quote from: DigiCorn on May 15, 2024, 09:27:38 AMI am getting quotes for PitStop, but even with I might have still had issues because I'm not sure you can automate mask removal on multiple pages.
With Pitstop you would not need to remove the masks. Using the add bleed function for just vector items would be a one click solution for all pages. Or maybe two if you needed to run odd and even pages separately. It would depend on the content.

I would never trust the Acrobat Edit PDF function. Never trusted it.
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DigiCorn

#13
May 15, 2024, 10:25:35 AM
Quote from: Joe on May 15, 2024, 09:43:56 AMWith Pitstop you would not need to remove the masks. Using the add bleed function for just vector items would be a one click solution for all pages. Or maybe two if you needed to run odd and even pages separately. It would depend on the content.

I would never trust the Acrobat Edit PDF function. Never trusted it.
I know your pain. When I was at Dome and used Prinergy, Prinergy NEVER saw any corrections done with the Edit PDF features, but Prinergy DID see corrections done with PitStop. However, at PIP (and here) we don't have a true RIP per se (CWS at PIP, Prisma here), so it does see the corrections.

Oddly, you can mess with page geometry on a PDF here and if you print directly to PrismaSync it will be fine, but if you impose it through PrismaPrepare, then the page geometry of the PDF comes into play; Sync ignores page geometry.
"There's been a lot of research recently on how hard it is to dislodge an impression once it's been implanted in someone's mind. (This is why political attack ads don't have to be true to be effective. The other side can point out their inaccuracies, but the voter's mind privileges the memory of the original accusation, which was juicier than any counterargument ever could be.)"
― Johnny Carson

"Selling my soul would be a lot easier if I could just find it."
– Nikki Sixx

"Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut."
― Ernest Hemingway
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