Trying to find out the "how to"
Lot's of info on the nets, but none as far as the actual process...
is it done offset?
flexo?
on plastic?
cmyk or?
thanks in advance!
Quote from: david on September 06, 2011, 10:51:45 AMTrying to find out the "how to"
Lot's of info on the nets, but none as far as the actual process...
is it done offset?
flexo?
on plastic?
cmyk or?
thanks in advance!
Did you search Printing Impressions archive (do they have one?). Seems I remember either them or GAM publishing an article on how that was done.
Of course this was maybe 8 years ago. Good luck!
QUOTE: Holographic paper and board stock have two dimensional holographic effects that reflect and diffract interior and natural lighting. Diffracted light separates into various colors and the reflected light sparkles to create a more eye-catching appearance.
The holographic effects are created by metalizing the surface with a thin layer of shiny silver aluminum. The holographic patterns are embossed into the aluminum surface, which forms millions of pixels in microscopic grooves and valleys. This embossed surface diffracts the light into many colors and reflects the light. END QUOTE
I don't think you can "print" a hologram, special stock + (lasers?) emboss?
source:
http://www.novavisioninc.com/pages/learn_more_holographic_paper.html (http://www.novavisioninc.com/pages/learn_more_holographic_paper.html)
thanks Born, that's exactly what I was looking for!
well, not exactly, but it does go a long way into the explaining process.
cheers!
good luck!
thanks!
Quote from: david on September 06, 2011, 11:42:12 AMthanks Born, that's exactly what I was looking for!
well, not exactly, but it does go a long way into the explaining process.
cheers!
Oh I was keeping quiet cause I was all like whaaaaaa, we do this stuff a lot, random patterns and patterns that have to register to the actual printing. Hazen papers is our supplier for this stuff.
We also have a cast and cure system which is similar but not quite as pronounced an effect.
Yes we use Hazen as well for holo stock. The holographic foil is laminated onto an SBS substrate by the board supplier and it's extremely expensive. Printing is usually the same as you would do for any foil substrate - UV inks + drying lamps, usually involves some Opaque White areas. You have to watch the pile temperature at press too if I remember right.
thanks guys, I'll add it to the pile!
forgot to ask, do you guys do it offset or flexo?
anything special you do to the file?
Offset here. Hazen supplies the sheets specific to the size & holographic pattern laminate that we have chosen. Nothing really different re: files, than what you would normally do for a foil job curved for UV inks.
Offset as well, only exception is when you have a special pattern laminate that needs to register to the printing, think like a star burst pattern on the sun etc...we have to supply the board company dimensions where the center of the pattern is from edge of sheet in both the x and y on all positions they then send us a pdf proof showing the laminate laid out to our die that we OK before they will proceed, like andy said the shit aint cheap.
thanks for the input, I'll pass it on..
cheers!
oh crap, what line screen?
and, tell me anything else I forgot to ask, please :embarrassed:
:laugh:
Quote from: david on September 07, 2011, 11:11:15 AMoh crap, what line screen?
and, tell me anything else I forgot to ask, please :embarrassed:
:laugh:
Usually 150, like Andy said very similar to printing on met poly. You'll have your whites UV inks etc...
Really the most complex part is what the paper manufacturer does, you just slop ink on it.
so, is this the hologram that looks 3d when done or just a flat image on shiny paper. ohh, it's shiny!
some people (not us) confuse lenticular 3D with holograms. Lentic has to be interleaved, even just for 3D, but you have the additional options to set your layers for depth.
So, this is just your average job, nothing special with layering, output and slapped on shiny expensive plastic laminate, right?
Quote from: david on September 07, 2011, 11:53:39 AMso, is this the hologram that looks 3d when done or just a flat image on shiny paper. ohh, it's shiny!
some people (not us) confuse lenticular 3D with holograms. Lentic has to be interleaved, even just for 3D, but you have the additional options to set your layers for depth.
So, this is just your average job, nothing special with layering, output and slapped on shiny expensive plastic laminate, right?
Nope not lenticular, I've done a bit at my old shop. Looking at my blue hawaii poster as we speak.
and yes the paper looks 3d not just shiny, has depth and you can get it in some cool patterns.
This has more of a deep mirror pattern but I can find another one.
cool, nice work... but did you notice that it's backwords?... hahaha (why do the webcams do that?)
we just did a piece on some of that "bubble" 3d plastic, looks almost like real 3d.
thanks G, mucho apreciato
Here's another, it centers on the star and as you move the carton the rings move and expand.
very cool, thanks G!
can you do me another shot, but this time with a pretty girl in the background.
I mean you're cute an' all, but...
JK
thanks for the help!
you're rockin' the casbah too!
Quote from: david on September 07, 2011, 02:54:04 PMvery cool, thanks G!
can you do me another shot, but this time with a pretty girl in the background.
I mean you're cute an' all, but...
JK
thanks for the help!
you're rockin' the casbah too!
Sorry I'm the hottest thing here, go from working with a bunch of hotties to a bunch of ornery old men.
:puke2:
story of my life... :laugh: :tapedshut:
sheesh, I want to do holographic printing [whiny emoticon]
Quote from: G_Town on September 07, 2011, 02:58:44 PMI'm the hottest thing here
We already knew that. You don't have to brag about it.
:hello::stachesmiley:
Hotstache. :hello: