Ughhhhhh....So after having been printer and hard proof free for 7 years it looks like we are going to need to be able to make hard copy contract proofs for jobs on the new press going in. Will need to be G7 or some type of certification. Looking for an inkjet. Probably in the 24" wide roll size. Any recommendations on a printer in the HP, Epson, Canon line and the RIP, ie...EFI XF, GMG, etc...?
I seriously am getting too old for new adventures like this. :old:
Quote from: Joe on March 22, 2017, 02:32:42 PMI seriously am getting too old for new adventures like this. :old:
I'm probably too old to even think about giving you advice on that. Well, other than my generic lack of knowledge. ;D
Am somewhat embarrassed to admit it, but I turn 69 tomorrow. Embarrassed that I'm still working, I mean. I have to face a several-hurdle leap to latest OSX, new 64-bit XMF server, then hopefully a change to processless thermal via a re-badged.
Only thing holding it up is haggling , know-all in-charge types. The actual dealings with the vendor are simplicity itself.
It will, i think, do my head in once and for all.
Quote from: Joe on March 22, 2017, 02:32:42 PMUghhhhhh....So after having been printer and hard proof free for 7 years it looks like we are going to need to be able to make hard copy contract proofs for jobs on the new press going in. Will need to be G7 or some type of certification. Looking for an inkjet. Probably in the 24" wide roll size. Any recommendations on a printer in the HP, Epson, Canon line and the RIP, ie...EFI XF, GMG, etc...?
I seriously am getting too old for new adventures like this. :old:
The Oris ColorTuner/Web software tied to an Epson 9900 has been the proofing solution for us for the past 3 1/2 years for us. We got the Epson 9900 outfitted with an X-Rite Spectroproofer so it measures and prints out a certification confirmation on every proof. When we set up the system we were certified for G7 for CMYK, not spot colours. The setup was done by CGS, headquartered out of Chicago. I believe the chief tech's name is Bruce Brown - really knows his stuff. For the most part, it's been a pretty stable system. Re-calibrations are pretty easy with the click of a mouse button. We did have the calibration head on the spectro go for shit a couple of weeks ago, but the replacement part turned out to be pretty easy to put in. I only wish that we had more time to actually learn the inner workings of the software. The interface is easy enough to use, but I would have liked more time to learn about manipulating and building standards and queues. Service contract isn't that expensive and most software or file issues are dealt with remotely.
Quote from: frailer on March 22, 2017, 05:41:50 PMQuote from: Joe on March 22, 2017, 02:32:42 PMI seriously am getting too old for new adventures like this. :old:
I'm probably too old to even think about giving you advice on that. Well, other than my generic lack of knowledge. ;D
Am somewhat embarrassed to admit it, but I turn 69 tomorrow. Embarrassed that I'm still working, I mean. I have to face a several-hurdle leap to latest OSX, new 64-bit XMF server, then hopefully a change to processless thermal via a re-badged.
Only thing holding it up is haggling , know-all in-charge types. The actual dealings with the vendor are simplicity itself.
It will, i think, do my head in once and for all.
Well before I forget...HAPPY BIRTHDAY! :bday: I just turned 62 a couple of weeks ago.
We are pretty well up to date on everything else but I haven't followed much about printers since we got rid of them. I think I'll nominate someone else to take the lead on this. I'm tired.
Quote from: andyfest on March 22, 2017, 06:23:14 PMThe Oris ColorTuner/Web software tied to an Epson 9900 has been the proofing solution for us for the past 3 1/2 years for us. We got the Epson 9900 outfitted with an X-Rite Spectroproofer so it measures and prints out a certification confirmation on every proof. When we set up the system we were certified for G7 for CMYK, not spot colours. The setup was done by CGS, headquartered out of Chicago. I believe the chief tech's name is Bruce Brown - really knows his stuff. For the most part, it's been a pretty stable system. Re-calibrations are pretty easy with the click of a mouse button. We did have the calibration head on the spectro go for shit a couple of weeks ago, but the replacement part turned out to be pretty easy to put in. I only wish that we had more time to actually learn the inner workings of the software. The interface is easy enough to use, but I would have liked more time to learn about manipulating and building standards and queues. Service contract isn't that expensive and most software or file issues are dealt with remotely.
Thanks for that info. I will check it out.
Well, happy birthday to both of you! I'm not far behind, I'll be 62 this summer.
I will second what andyfest laid out above, we are almost identical in setups, only differences are Fuji did the setup not CGS and we use a 7900 (24" wide), been rock solid and having the spectra onboard makes things so easy, prints out the cert on the final output and we know if we are in or out of G7 tolerance.
It's actually kinda weird how close andyfest and I are (almost exact setups Nexus/Oris/servers etc), I have the exact same complaints too about not enough time to learn the inner workings of the software, seems we could do a lot more with it that what we are currently doing.
When we looked at replacing our old proofer, we looked at a lot of other options, Canon and HP printers, GMG, EFI, Esko, Agfa etc in rips, but we kept coming back to the Espons, they really can't be beat for proofers and the rips really came down to GMG and CGS/Oris, they just were flat out better than anything we looked at, and I mean by a long shot, we chose the Oris software in the end, we just liked the user interface better than the GMG.
Thanks EmptyWords....I'll take the "complaints too about not enough time to learn the inner workings of the software" as a positive. The less I have to do the better.
andyfest and EmptyWords...did you get the printer separately or get everything through CGS?
And another question about Oris ColorTuner/Web software which says 'Web-based Soft- and Hardcopy Proofing in one Package'. The web part says:
"The web-based client/server architecture enables ORIS Color Tuner // Web to be integrated easily and quickly within your existing workflow, independent of your operating system or web browser. A comprehensive set of workflow tools — such as automatic preflighting, file compression, FTP send & receive, regular expressions, or email notification — is included to make ORIS Color Tuner // Web a powerful production workflow in its own right.".
So that is a soft proofing option where customers can view the preflight info as well as color accurate proof over the web. I assume the customers would need a color calibrated monitor?
Happy B-day Captain! :bday:
There must have been a HUGE amount of fucking going on in June. I know a LOT of march babies and I happen to be one.
15 minutes from being a April fool. Most said I made it.
Quote from: Joe on March 23, 2017, 10:37:21 AMandyfest and EmptyWords...did you get the printer separately or get everything through CGS?
We got our setup through Fuji, but CGS worked extensively with Fuji to pitch the sell, then was involved somewhat with the install, the Fuji guys were the ones who actually did the que setups and all the calibrations/certs. We liked getting everything through one source, our bean counters prefer to cut one check vs several.
Quote from: Joe on March 23, 2017, 10:42:03 AMAnd another question about Oris ColorTuner/Web software which says 'Web-based Soft- and Hardcopy Proofing in one Package'. The web part says:
"The web-based client/server architecture enables ORIS Color Tuner // Web to be integrated easily and quickly within your existing workflow, independent of your operating system or web browser. A comprehensive set of workflow tools — such as automatic preflighting, file compression, FTP send & receive, regular expressions, or email notification — is included to make ORIS Color Tuner // Web a powerful production workflow in its own right.".
So that is a soft proofing option where customers can view the preflight info as well as color accurate proof over the web. I assume the customers would need a color calibrated monitor?
They do have a softproof option, can't remember off the top of my head if that was an add-on or not, we never had it setup or ever even looked into the use of it, maybe andyfest can shed some more light on that subject, but they would have to have a calibrated monitor, I do remember them talking about that and they even told me at the time what specific monitors they prefer the clients use.
We already have Kodak Insite so I probably wouldn't be interested in theirs. I just didn't want to pay for something we won't use so if it is an addon that we don't have to get that would be great.
Good news about Fuji doing it. We already get plates from them so we do have an existing relationship with them.
Quote from: Joe on March 22, 2017, 07:36:10 PMQuote from: frailer on March 22, 2017, 05:41:50 PMQuote from: Joe on March 22, 2017, 02:32:42 PMI seriously am getting too old for new adventures like this. :old:
I'm probably too old to even think about giving you advice on that. Well, other than my generic lack of knowledge. ;D
Am somewhat embarrassed to admit it, but I turn 69 tomorrow. Embarrassed that I'm still working, I mean. I have to face a several-hurdle leap to latest OSX, new 64-bit XMF server, then hopefully a change to processless thermal via a re-badged.
Only thing holding it up is haggling , know-all in-charge types. The actual dealings with the vendor are simplicity itself.
It will, i think, do my head in once and for all.
Well before I forget...HAPPY BIRTHDAY! :bday: I just turned 62 a couple of weeks ago.
We are pretty well up to date on everything else but I haven't followed much about printers since we got rid of them. I think I'll nominate someone else to take the lead on this. I'm tired.
Happy Birthday to all. I'm a little behind as I'll be a youngish 59 this summer.
Oh to be 59 again. :rotf:
Quote from: Joe on March 23, 2017, 10:37:21 AMandyfest and EmptyWords...did you get the printer separately or get everything through CGS?
Actually Joe - got the whole thing thru Fuji - CGS did the install of Oris software/hardware and Fuji tech installed the printer. CGS did the calibration afterwards with software and printer.
Quote from: EmptyWords on March 23, 2017, 11:53:54 AMQuote from: Joe on March 23, 2017, 10:37:21 AMandyfest and EmptyWords...did you get the printer separately or get everything through CGS?
We didn't get into any of the soft proof stuff. The software probably has a lot more bells and whistles than we will ever use. There is a spot where techs can actually drag n drop 1 bits or pdfs remotely and it will queue them up. We did get the optional dot screen module so we have the option of printing con tone using pdfs or screened proofs using screened 1 bit tiffs.
We got our setup through Fuji, but CGS worked extensively with Fuji to pitch the sell, then was involved somewhat with the install, the Fuji guys were the ones who actually did the que setups and all the calibrations/certs. We liked getting everything through one source, our bean counters prefer to cut one check vs several.
Quote from: Joe on March 23, 2017, 10:42:03 AMAnd another question about Oris ColorTuner/Web software which says 'Web-based Soft- and Hardcopy Proofing in one Package'. The web part says:
"The web-based client/server architecture enables ORIS Color Tuner // Web to be integrated easily and quickly within your existing workflow, independent of your operating system or web browser. A comprehensive set of workflow tools — such as automatic preflighting, file compression, FTP send & receive, regular expressions, or email notification — is included to make ORIS Color Tuner // Web a powerful production workflow in its own right.".
So that is a soft proofing option where customers can view the preflight info as well as color accurate proof over the web. I assume the customers would need a color calibrated monitor?
They do have a softproof option, can't remember off the top of my head if that was an add-on or not, we never had it setup or ever even looked into the use of it, maybe andyfest can shed some more light on that subject, but they would have to have a calibrated monitor, I do remember them talking about that and they even told me at the time what specific monitors they prefer the clients use.
We didn't get into any of the soft proof stuff. The software probably has a lot more bells and whistles than we will ever use. There is a spot where techs can actually drag n drop 1 bits or pdfs remotely and it will queue them up. We did get the optional dot screen module so we have the option of printing con tone using pdfs or screened proofs using screened 1 bit tiffs.
Quote from: Joe on March 23, 2017, 12:03:41 PMWe already have Kodak Insite so I probably wouldn't be interested in theirs. I just didn't want to pay for something we won't use so if it is an addon that we don't have to get that would be great.
Good news about Fuji doing it. We already get plates from them so we do have an existing relationship with them.
Yea, I just can't remember if it was an option (xtra charge item) or if it was included in the full package, we bought the software and pretty much only use it for contract proofs for the pressmen to run to color and some picky clients, did not really see the need to introduce more of a headache (softproofing), with having clients w/ un-calibrated monitors complaining about color.
We had a great experience with both the CGS and Fuji crews during the pitch and also the install/setup, since you have a relationship w/ Fuji now, I would recommend hitting them up for more info and get them to send some quotes, you might also want to look into the GMG stuff to, it was between CGS and GMG for us and we really liked both setups.
Quote from: EmptyWords on March 23, 2017, 12:34:43 PMQuote from: Joe on March 23, 2017, 12:03:41 PMWe already have Kodak Insite so I probably wouldn't be interested in theirs. I just didn't want to pay for something we won't use so if it is an addon that we don't have to get that would be great.
Good news about Fuji doing it. We already get plates from them so we do have an existing relationship with them.
Yea, I just can't remember if it was an option (xtra charge item) or if it was included in the full package, we bought the software and pretty much only use it for contract proofs for the pressmen to run to color and some picky clients, did not really see the need to introduce more of a headache (softproofing), with having clients w/ un-calibrated monitors complaining about color.
We had a great experience with both the CGS and Fuji crews during the pitch and also the install/setup, since you have a relationship w/ Fuji now, I would recommend hitting them up for more info and get them to send some quotes, you might also want to look into the GMG stuff to, it was between CGS and GMG for us and we really liked both setups.
Also Joe, Fuji did a deal with us and modified our plate pricing so that the system was paid for over a couple of years by our plate use. The suits here didn't want to cut a cheque, so Fuji did some creative financing for us. Worked out pretty well.
Quote from: andyfest on March 23, 2017, 12:34:02 PMQuote from: EmptyWords on March 23, 2017, 11:53:54 AMWe didn't get into any of the soft proof stuff. The software probably has a lot more bells and whistles than we will ever use. There is a spot where techs can actually drag n drop 1 bits or pdfs remotely and it will queue them up. We did get the optional dot screen module so we have the option of printing con tone using pdfs or screened proofs using screened 1 bit tiffs.
Oh we might want top get the dot screen option. The one we used to have with EFI XF actually de-screened the one-bit tiffs and then made the contone proof from the de-screened files. Looked pretty good. And assured us we were proofing the exact same thing that went to plate.
Old topic but we find ourselves looking for a new proofer, 24 inch. We're getting rid of our HP (too many headaches) and want to replace it with an epson.
We want to retain the Fiery XF software to drive it, and want to get someone to set it up G7 like our presses.
Any experiences with the Epson 6000 or 7000 printers? We want the spectro option as well for calibration.
Thanks.
Oh and to print that little verification strip thing that never seemed to work right on the HP.
We got an Epson 9900 with an Oris proofing system installed by CGS. It's calibrated G7 and uses a built in X-Rite spectro for verification. We've had it for about 4 years and just replaced the spectro head for about $1500 a few weeks ago. Other than that it seems to work pretty well.
Had an Epson 4000, 4800, 7800, 10600 and a 9800 in my past lives and liked all of them. Best and easiest proofers to maintain consistent and accurate color on, in my opinion. In all cases, driving Best / EFI color.