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Illustrator for prepress.
by Tracy
April 26, 2018, 01:40:33 PM

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Best free PDF Editor?
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April 25, 2018, 06:29:59 AM

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PitStop 2018 released
by abc
April 24, 2018, 09:34:38 AM

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Enfocus / Re: PitStop 2018 just announced. Ships in April
Last post by Fat Boy Tim -
It definitely won't be like the 2017 version with regards to getting you guys license keys. They should be on their way IMHO.
If you want to get on 2018 now then the best way would be just to use the in-built 30-day trial key until your official key arrives.

I'll investigate internally and find out why these are not sent out in advance so they are with you beforehand.

I've not heard of anyone that has gotten their 2018 key yet. Someone posted on printplanet that their reseller told them they did not have the product keys from Enfocus yet. Which is exactly what happened when 2017 was released. :rotf:

All three of our keys arrived yesterday. Two from Enfocus and one from a reseller. Not made the switch just yet but so far much smoother than 2017.

Would like to understand what the delay is for everyone else though.
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Adobe Acrobat / Re: Transparencies again. How do you guys deal with them?
Last post by Joe -
I always have same as source selected, Lately I have been thinking about converting all spots to process for copier
to remove any variance, I had to color match something and I noticed a huge difference in certain spot colors.
Oddly enough when printing to the Xante, I use Acrobat Color management, but that is a mystery for another day.
The Spot color differences can be in coated spots vs uncoated. Just need a few hours with the machine to get it figured out
but there is a copier operator, so I don't get much time with it.
I am thinking converting to CMYK is the way to go.

And 9 times out of 10 the designer picks from various pantone libraries. Pitstop 2018 is very good at 1) converting all of those libraries with the same number into the correct one. You can convert all of the uncoated to coated for example and then 2) convert to CMYK with Pitstop. Homerun.

If you let CWS convert them it will try to convert to whatever library they came from and they can vary.
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Adobe Acrobat / Re: Transparencies again. How do you guys deal with them?
Last post by Tracy -
so Joe, How do you set the Pdf file to be same as source?
I always print to CW as same as source, think we might be getting somewhere here! :smiley:

In the printing dialog click the 'Advanced' button. The click Color Management in the left column. I was have it set 'Same as Source' as I don't Acrobat or the print driver to do any color management. If this is in relation to your spot colors not looking good I don't think there is much that can be done about it. Printing spots on a CMYK device is always going to be a 'close enough' scenario. We usually try to change them to CMYK before we send to the Fiery because the Fiery does some strange stuff trying to convert spots to cmyk.
I always have same as source selected, Lately I have been thinking about converting all spots to process for copier
to remove any variance, I had to color match something and I noticed a huge difference in certain spot colors.
Oddly enough when printing to the Xante, I use Acrobat Color management, but that is a mystery for another day.
The Spot color differences can be in coated spots vs uncoated. Just need a few hours with the machine to get it figured out
but there is a copier operator, so I don't get much time with it.
I am thinking converting to CMYK is the way to go.
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Adobe Acrobat / Re: Transparencies again. How do you guys deal with them?
Last post by Joe -
so Joe, How do you set the Pdf file to be same as source?
I always print to CW as same as source, think we might be getting somewhere here! :smiley:

In the printing dialog click the 'Advanced' button. The click Color Management in the left column. I was have it set 'Same as Source' as I don't Acrobat or the print driver to do any color management. If this is in relation to your spot colors not looking good I don't think there is much that can be done about it. Printing spots on a CMYK device is always going to be a 'close enough' scenario. We usually try to change them to CMYK before we send to the Fiery because the Fiery does some strange stuff trying to convert spots to cmyk.
That's the exact issue with color I am describing.

Only spots? If so, yeah the Fiery jumps all over the place with spots. That is why we usually convert them in Indy or in Pitstop before they go to the Fiery.
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Adobe Acrobat / Re: Transparencies again. How do you guys deal with them?
Last post by Joe -
I was talking about dragging-and-dropping the pdf to the queue. Not printing the pdf to the queue.

Side note: Sometimes when you drag-and-drop, if the fonts are squirrely, or not embedded, they will do weird things in CWS, but printing the pdf to the queue will usually fix this (aside from actually fixing the file properly to begin with).

You literally said "Printing the .ps to the CWS vs. PDF drag-and-drop WILL CHANGE COLOR." So where are you getting the .ps from? From printing the PDF from Acrobat right? Printing the PS vs drag-n-drop the PDF should not see a color difference.

No. We set some files here, and we work with pdfs direct from customer (we extremely rarely ever get native files). We print the .ps from InDesign, unless you're saying that print from ID to CWS doesn't arrive as a .ps. We drag-and-drop pdfs... usually.

In some instances, when needed, we place the pdf in ID, and print the pdf to CWS from ID to fix issues as before mentioned.

This is the second most down-and-dirty get-it-out-quickly-we-don't-care-how print shop I've ever worked in, and the first like this in 20 years. My partner is very knowledgeable, but she will just get it out any way possible and not at all focus on proper technique or adjustments in the future (for example, reruns).

So you get PDF's direct from customer. Place the PDF in InDesign and print to Fiery? Yes that flattens and I assume sends a .ps file to Fiery. But why not just print the PDF from Acrobat?

Printing from either Acrobat or InDesign will flatten and send a .ps file to Fiery. Drag and drop forces to Fiery to flatten and it sucks at that most of the time. I've heard people with APPE on their fiery don't have this issue but we were to cheap to cough up the $25K for the APPE. Our designers usually print their creations from Indy to Fiery. If they receive PDF from a customer they usually print from Acrobat to the Fiery.
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Adobe Acrobat / Re: Transparencies again. How do you guys deal with them?
Last post by DigiCorn -
so Joe, How do you set the Pdf file to be same as source?
I always print to CW as same as source, think we might be getting somewhere here! :smiley:

In the printing dialog click the 'Advanced' button. The click Color Management in the left column. I was have it set 'Same as Source' as I don't Acrobat or the print driver to do any color management. If this is in relation to your spot colors not looking good I don't think there is much that can be done about it. Printing spots on a CMYK device is always going to be a 'close enough' scenario. We usually try to change them to CMYK before we send to the Fiery because the Fiery does some strange stuff trying to convert spots to cmyk.
That's the exact issue with color I am describing.
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Adobe Acrobat / Re: Transparencies again. How do you guys deal with them?
Last post by DigiCorn -
I was talking about dragging-and-dropping the pdf to the queue. Not printing the pdf to the queue.

Side note: Sometimes when you drag-and-drop, if the fonts are squirrely, or not embedded, they will do weird things in CWS, but printing the pdf to the queue will usually fix this (aside from actually fixing the file properly to begin with).

You literally said "Printing the .ps to the CWS vs. PDF drag-and-drop WILL CHANGE COLOR." So where are you getting the .ps from? From printing the PDF from Acrobat right? Printing the PS vs drag-n-drop the PDF should not see a color difference.
No. We set some files here, and we work with pdfs direct from customer (we extremely rarely ever get native files). We print the .ps from InDesign, unless you're saying that print from ID to CWS doesn't arrive as a .ps. We drag-and-drop pdfs... usually.

In some instances, when needed, we place the pdf in ID, and print the pdf to CWS from ID to fix issues as before mentioned.

This is the second most down-and-dirty get-it-out-quickly-we-don't-care-how print shop I've ever worked in, and the first like this in 20 years. My partner is very knowledgeable, but she will just get it out any way possible and not at all focus on proper technique or adjustments in the future (for example, reruns).
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Adobe Acrobat / Re: Transparencies again. How do you guys deal with them?
Last post by Joe -
so Joe, How do you set the Pdf file to be same as source?
I always print to CW as same as source, think we might be getting somewhere here! :smiley:

In the printing dialog click the 'Advanced' button. The click Color Management in the left column. I was have it set 'Same as Source' as I don't Acrobat or the print driver to do any color management. If this is in relation to your spot colors not looking good I don't think there is much that can be done about it. Printing spots on a CMYK device is always going to be a 'close enough' scenario. We usually try to change them to CMYK before we send to the Fiery because the Fiery does some strange stuff trying to convert spots to cmyk.