:spy2:Hey everyone,
Our Itek 430 Camera Processor is succumbing to age-related issues :old: and I was wondering if anybody out there knows of a reputable place that does Itek repair / service in the Boston, Massachusetts area??
From what little I understand of the problem, the Itek film keeps getting jammed in the various roller units with no consistency to what gets stuck where...
Any and all help would be greatly appreciated! :angel:
Cheers,
John the Fontaholic :drunk3:
Film?
Try this guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Gutenberg)
Here's the manual: http://ardensparts.com/pdf/parts/430rl.pdf (http://ardensparts.com/pdf/parts/430rl.pdf)
Here's a place that sells a refurbished ITEK 430: http://ardensparts.com/pdf/parts/430rl.pdf (http://ardensparts.com/pdf/parts/430rl.pdf)
You may want to call these guys:
A D2 Advertising & Printing
1 Kendall
Framingham, MA 01702
Phone: (508) 879-5144
Categorized under Printing Equipment Repairs
If anything, maybe they can point you in the right direction.
I found them here, you may want to peruse: http://www.manta.com/mb_35_B32BB1PC_000/printing_trades_machinery_and_equipment_repair (http://www.manta.com/mb_35_B32BB1PC_000/printing_trades_machinery_and_equipment_repair)
You can also try LinkedIn as a resource. They have several service guys, just don't have the time to find one in your area.
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on July 21, 2014, 10:05:59 AMHere's the manual: http://ardensparts.com/pdf/parts/430rl.pdf (http://ardensparts.com/pdf/parts/430rl.pdf)
Here's a place that sells a refurbished ITEK 430: http://ardensparts.com/pdf/parts/430rl.pdf (http://ardensparts.com/pdf/parts/430rl.pdf)
You may want to call these guys:
A D2 Advertising & Printing
1 Kendall
Framingham, MA 01702
Phone: (508) 879-5144
Categorized under Printing Equipment Repairs
If anything, maybe they can point you in the right direction.
I found them here, you may want to peruse: http://www.manta.com/mb_35_B32BB1PC_000/printing_trades_machinery_and_equipment_repair (http://www.manta.com/mb_35_B32BB1PC_000/printing_trades_machinery_and_equipment_repair)
You can also try LinkedIn as a resource. They have several service guys, just don't have the time to find one in your area.
Thanks for the parts manual -- that's a life-saver right there! :cheesy:
Your link to the place that was selling a refurbished 430 Itek, was another link to the PDF parts manual... :huh:
And I called the number for the place in Framingham, only to discover that somebody else now has that number and gets calls for that place all the time... :angry: They didn't know the place's new number, and all the internet searches still list the old number as their current number...
Cheers,
John the Fontaholic :drunk3:
Sorry, man, try this one...
http://altrepairservice.com/page/1kvh6/Home_Page/See_inventory_for_sale_click_here.html (http://altrepairservice.com/page/1kvh6/Home_Page/See_inventory_for_sale_click_here.html)
I was in a hurry... trying to juggle a fuck-ton of work, chewing people's asses and keeping up on here. Plus, my old lady is in one of her moods. I hate Mondays. :wink:
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on July 21, 2014, 02:29:10 PMPlus, my old lady is in one of her moods.
Ya, sorry about that. :embarrassed:
Quote from: Earendil on July 21, 2014, 02:30:03 PMQuote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on July 21, 2014, 02:29:10 PMPlus, my old lady is in one of her moods.
Ya, sorry about that. :embarrassed:
Me too. I told you she wouldn't have anything to do with you, but you HAD to keep pushing that extruded pink ass on her bid'ness. Your wife on the other hand... friendly as can be! :kiss: I don't even have to take off the mask anymore. :laugh:
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on July 21, 2014, 02:29:10 PMSorry, man, try this one...
http://altrepairservice.com/page/1kvh6/Home_Page/See_inventory_for_sale_click_here.html (http://altrepairservice.com/page/1kvh6/Home_Page/See_inventory_for_sale_click_here.html)
Yeah, much better, thanks! :hello:
Cheers,
John the Fontaholic :drunk3:
Good luck, man. Hope you find someone. :hello:
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on July 22, 2014, 09:04:34 AMGood luck, man. Hope you find someone. :hello:
Happily, yes -- my boss called another printer that we do work for, and that guy knows someone who used to repair Itek machines for a living. The repair guy's retired now, but he called back yesterday and said he'd be happy to come in on Wednesday to look things over and make recommendations, etc. :popcorn:
Cheers, John the Fontaholic :drunk3:
He will probably recommend to stop using a camera and film. :laugh:
Those were the days, though. I miss film, but NOT proofs. :smiley:
Man, I burned a mean matchprint. :grin:
Hand toning a cromalin. :kiss:
UGH! Matchprints, Chromalins, One-Pieces, whatever... I made THOUSANDS of them. I hated color-keys more.
Agreed, burning, processing and then thermal lamination of Fuji ColorArt proofs was laborious. I think I got it down to about 35 minutes for a completed 4 col pro proof with a dieline overlay. They were usually dead-nuts accurate though.
<------ 19 minutes.
<----- 18.5 minutes. :grin: For a single.
I could do 4 at a time, one burning, one processing, one laminating, while registering another. Could complete all 4 in less than 30 minutes.
No you couldn't. The vacuum and exposure on black alone makes that feat impossible. 19 minutes was the fastest it could be done. I did it first at my shop, then everyone else caught up after a while. It physically took the vacuum and exposure time 19 minutes for all 5 burns. You had to be waiting between burns.
Not at my shop. We were using 3M Matchprint. Burning with the regular 5000w Mercury Vapor plate burner. I even ran a scale on them and would adjust the burns slightly as the Merc temp changed. I actually don't know how much a single took but I do know I could do 4 in under 30 minutes.
Quote from: Earendil on July 22, 2014, 01:11:17 PMNot at my shop. We were using 3M Matchprint. Burning with the regular 5000w Mercury Vapor plate burner. I even ran a scale on them and would adjust the burns slightly as the Merc temp changed. I actually don't know how much a single took but I do know I could do 4 in under 30 minutes.
Yeah, I can believe that. Busting ass you could do 4-up in 30. You could probably do 8-up in 30, but you would have to almost hit registration at about 3 seconds per. Of course the tape dispenser had to be in a good and forgiving mood. :laugh:
No, dillhole, 4 separate matchprints in 30 minutes. And I know none of the burns were even close to 5 freakin minutes, FFS! Maybe 2 minutes, max. I had no burns longer than 2 minutes, plate or proof, I remember most were in the 60s-90s seconds. It wasn't a fliptop burner, it was the big, old vacuum frame and the light stayed on all day, would open a shutter to burn, so it had no warmup time, except for in the morning. We had a little NuArc flip-frame that would take 5 minutes per burn, if the big one went down.
edit: I notice you said 5 burns. Y+M+C+K = 4. Maybe this was your problem. :laugh:
Quote from: Earendil on July 22, 2014, 01:21:59 PMNo, dillhole, 4 separate matchprints in 30 minutes. And I know none of the burns were even close to 5 freakin minutes, FFS! Maybe 2 minutes, max. I had no burns longer than 2 minutes, plate or proof, I remember most were in the 60s-90s seconds. It wasn't a fliptop burner, it was the big, old vacuum frame and the light stayed on all day, would open a shutter to burn, so it had no warmup time, except for in the morning. We had a little NuArc flip-frame that would take 5 minutes per burn, if the big one went down.
edit: I notice you said 5 burns. Y+M+C+K = 4. Maybe this was your problem. :laugh:
Ahhh, you just fucked up. First off, The exposure time was regulated through a filter called a kokomo. Basically a UV filter. It increased normal burn times to the nth degree. The 5th burn was for the clear finish that sealed the matchprint to the backing board and THAT is where most mistakes happened. Air bubbles. You had the choice of matte and gloss finish, the customer made that decision based on the stock final print was on.
Have you actually made one? :tongue:
bzzzzz wrong! The Kokomo filter was used to clear Dylux (blueline), so you could take it in the sun without it turning blue.
3M Matchprint. I made thousands. Laminate yellow, peel mylar base, expose, process, repeat with registration. No 5th burn, no special filter. Each color was sealed as soon as laminated and I rarely had bubble problems, as long as it went in straight. Completely different than what you describe. Makes me wonder if you ever did one.
We had a POS called a Konsensus for a while. Sounds like what you are talking about.
Quote from: Earendil on July 22, 2014, 02:27:18 PMbzzzzz wrong! The Kokomo filter was used to clear Dylux (blueline), so you could take it in the sun without it turning blue.
3M Matchprint. I made thousands. Laminate yellow, peel mylar base, expose, process, repeat with registration. No 5th burn, no special filter. Each color was sealed as soon as laminated and I rarely had bubble problems, as long as it went in straight. Completely different than what you describe. Makes me wonder if you ever did one.
We had a POS called a Konsensus for a while. Sounds like what you are talking about.
Nope. All wrong. The laminate would scratch like a mutherfucker without the sealant. As a matter of fact, you removed the kokomo filter and slid in its place a clear filter for the sealant. I start to wonder about you doing them, it is fucking impossible to register to yellow on a matchprint. You would always start with magenta. You had to be in a room with yellow lights as to not expose the laminate. All this was Kodak materials, not too uncommon.
That 3M shit, we used, but it came later and it was a waterless proofing system and they looked like shit compared to the Kodak system. A lot easier to use as well. Maybe that's what you're talking about.
I don't know what all that shit is you guys are talking about, but what I remember was after doing dylux bluelines and color keys, my hands smelled like ammonia.
Quote from: DigiCorn on July 22, 2014, 02:40:31 PMI don't know what all that shit is you guys are talking about, but what I remember was after doing dylux bluelines and color keys, my hands smelled like ammonia.
Yes, you did use the UV filter for Dylux, or Bluelines. I loved the smell of that stuff.
Color keys still give me nightmares.
No kokomo with the matchprint. The sealant we used was laminated after the last burn, gloss or matte.
Yellow first. They gave us a blue pen that you could hit the reg marks with to turn them green for registration but I could register mag to yelo easily without it. The old guys were the only ones that had trouble registering to yellow. Ours was 3M, not Kodak and it looked great. Semi white-light safe. You musta been on an older setup.
I hated peeling them apart. The years were 1990-1992, but I can remember fighting with them clearly.
Back in '99-'00 we did some color keys that had an emulsion you had to wash off, but it was part of a failed experiment to run metal plates and get 4-color off a Quickmaster 2-color (in 2 passes obviously) with a common blanket.
Dye Sub printers were a real PITA.
Quote from: Earendil on July 22, 2014, 02:48:53 PMDye Sub printers were a real PITA.
Yuck. Hated those bastards more than color keys.
Quote from: Earendil on July 22, 2014, 02:44:19 PMNo kokomo with the matchprint. The sealant we used was laminated after the last burn, gloss or matte.
Yellow first. They gave us a blue pen that you could hit the reg marks with to turn them green for registration but I could register mag to yelo easily without it. The old guys were the only ones that had trouble registering to yellow. Ours was 3M, not Kodak and it looked great. Semi white-light safe. You musta been on an older setup.
Yes, I remember the pen, but I'm telling you, without it in yellow light, impossible to see. Using a pen made the process take that much longer than it already took. I had to do 30 or 40 of these things a night. AFTER I fought 2 racks worth of bullshit jobs, hand-trapping them and hoping the hell the film didn't come out wrong, or bunched up in the processor.
Can we move on to something else? Thinking about proofs makes my head hurt. :laugh:
Okay, I will stop but I'm telling you, mine was white light safe, for a short period of time, maybe up to an hour. Long enough to register on a light table with standard white bulbs. But I will agree; if I had an old system, like you had (with yellow light), then registering yellow would be impossible.
Quote from: Earendil on July 22, 2014, 02:48:53 PMDye Sub printers were a real PITA.
Not as bad as a Kodak Approval. The machine was bigger than a backyard shed, and loading the rolls took the patience of Job. Heaven forbid you fuck up the rotation; it took like 40 minutes to generate a new proof.
True. At least the Dye Sub was a compact little bugger. I named it Bob Marley because it was always Jammin'.
3M Matchprint... I know the system well, like I said, that came later on, but we called them "Waterless Proofing. Totally different than the Kodak Chromalin. The end result is similar, but the process was different. I don't remember having to laminate them by hand. The machine did it for you. All you had to do was register and burn.
The Kodak did laminate it for you.
Well the one I used must've been earlier then. It actually had a liquid developer in a separate machine. The laminater was almost a standard laminater... you would manually place a color sheet on, feed it in and peel the coat after it came out. The processor was like a mini plate processor, without a gum stage. Nearly all of it was manual, which is probably why it had the potential to be faster, just more labor intensive and easy to mess up. No waiting. Very hands-on.
It was the 3M system before Matchprint™ was purchased by Kodak.
I also remember when Pagemaker was Aldus, FWIW. :rolleyes:
We used to send out for a lot of Matchprints and Rainbows. I've never seen the machine, but I've handled hundred... maybe thousands... of proofs from both.
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on July 22, 2014, 03:14:55 PM3M Matchprint... I know the system well, like I said, that came later on, but we called them "Waterless Proofing. Totally different than the Kodak DuPont Chromalin. The end result is similar, but the process was different. I don't remember having to laminate them by hand. The machine did it for you. All you had to do was register and burn.
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@Corn: So would that make you a Rainbow Warrior? :cheesy:
Quote from: Joe on July 22, 2014, 03:22:07 PMQuote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on July 22, 2014, 03:14:55 PM3M Matchprint... I know the system well, like I said, that came later on, but we called them "Waterless Proofing. Totally different than the Kodak DuPont Chromalin. The end result is similar, but the process was different. I don't remember having to laminate them by hand. The machine did it for you. All you had to do was register and burn.
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BAZINGA!
That is funny. It all makes sense. We have a manufacturing plant in town that was originally a 3M film plant. After a few years, it changed to DuPont. Then changed to Kodak. Can't remember what it is now... CareStream or some crap. I think they still make film for x-rays. Although I'm sure that will go away soon too.
Quote from: Earendil on July 22, 2014, 03:19:38 PMI also remember when Pagemaker was Aldus, FWIW. :rolleyes:
I remember that too.
We still have original boxes here of old, old software. I think we have Retrospect when it was Dantz, EMC, Roxio and now I don't know who owns them.
Also have several boxes of Zips and Jazzs.
Quote from: Joe on July 22, 2014, 03:22:07 PMQuote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on July 22, 2014, 03:14:55 PM3M Matchprint... I know the system well, like I said, that came later on, but we called them "Waterless Proofing. Totally different than the Kodak DuPont Chromalin. The end result is similar, but the process was different. I don't remember having to laminate them by hand. The machine did it for you. All you had to do was register and burn.
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That's right, it was DuPont. Kodak was Approval and 3M was Matchprint. I did them all, from one shop to the next. Your memory is a lot better than mine, Joe. Did you have to look that up?
Quote from: Earendil on July 22, 2014, 03:19:38 PMWell the one I used must've been earlier then. It actually had a liquid developer in a separate machine. The laminater was almost a standard laminater... you would manually place a color sheet on, feed it in and peel the coat after it came out. The processor was like a mini plate processor, without a gum stage. Nearly all of it was manual, which is probably why it had the potential to be faster, just more labor intensive and easy to mess up. No waiting. Very hands-on.
It was the 3M system before Matchprint™ was purchased by Kodak.
I also remember when Pagemaker was Aldus, FWIW. :rolleyes:
I can't remember anything anymore. Guess my weed IS better than yours. :tongue:
Quote from: DigiCorn on July 22, 2014, 03:25:14 PMQuote from: Earendil on July 22, 2014, 03:19:38 PMI also remember when Pagemaker was Aldus, FWIW. :rolleyes:
I remember that too.
We still have original boxes here of old, old software. I think we have Retrospect when it was Dantz, EMC, Roxio and now I don't know who owns them.
Also have several boxes of Zips and Jazzs.
Roxio... YA TOAST!
I think we took our zips and Jazz out to the shotgun range. PULL
I did find a couple of SyQuest cassettes not long ago.
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on July 22, 2014, 03:34:08 PMQuote from: Joe on July 22, 2014, 03:22:07 PMQuote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on July 22, 2014, 03:14:55 PM3M Matchprint... I know the system well, like I said, that came later on, but we called them "Waterless Proofing. Totally different than the Kodak DuPont Chromalin. The end result is similar, but the process was different. I don't remember having to laminate them by hand. The machine did it for you. All you had to do was register and burn.
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That's right, it was DuPont. Kodak was Approval and 3M was Matchprint. I did them all, from one shop to the next. Your memory is a lot better than mine, Joe. Did you have to look that up?
A lot of things I have to look up but
DuPont Cromalins is not one of them. I made thousands of those damn things before we got the spiffy new machine that shook the whole building while it was "applying" the toner. Then we got a brand new 3M Matchprint proofer and they never used. Finally set it out on the dock and it rusted away while we continued to make cromalins. Even after we went digital they still output film and made cromalins. I never want to see another Cromalin in this lifetime. Not that I am bitter though. :laugh:
Quote from: Earendil on July 22, 2014, 03:37:31 PMQuote from: DigiCorn on July 22, 2014, 03:25:14 PMQuote from: Earendil on July 22, 2014, 03:19:38 PMI also remember when Pagemaker was Aldus, FWIW. :rolleyes:
I remember that too.
We still have original boxes here of old, old software. I think we have Retrospect when it was Dantz, EMC, Roxio and now I don't know who owns them.
Also have several boxes of Zips and Jazzs.
Roxio... YA TOAST!
I think we took our zips and Jazz out to the shotgun range. PULL
I did find a couple of SyQuest cassettes not long ago.
I have a few I save in the back for nostalgia purposes.
Quote from: Joe on July 22, 2014, 03:44:53 PMQuote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on July 22, 2014, 03:34:08 PMQuote from: Joe on July 22, 2014, 03:22:07 PMQuote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on July 22, 2014, 03:14:55 PM3M Matchprint... I know the system well, like I said, that came later on, but we called them "Waterless Proofing. Totally different than the Kodak DuPont Chromalin. The end result is similar, but the process was different. I don't remember having to laminate them by hand. The machine did it for you. All you had to do was register and burn.
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That's right, it was DuPont. Kodak was Approval and 3M was Matchprint. I did them all, from one shop to the next. Your memory is a lot better than mine, Joe. Did you have to look that up?
A lot of things I have to look up but DuPont Cromalins is not one of them. I made thousands of those damn things before we got the spiffy new machine that shook the whole building while it was "applying" the toner. Then we got a brand new 3M Matchprint proofer and they never used. Finally set it out on the dock and it rusted away while we continued to make cromalins. Even after we went digital they still output film and made cromalins. I never want to see another Cromalin in this lifetime. Not that I am bitter though. :laugh:
I know the feeling. I had to make them in my underwear that goddamn room would get so hot. :laugh: I worked nights by myself... relax. :tongue:
We finally replaced Cromalins with a Kodak Approval. $6,000 every time you needed to fill it with 4 colors of donor material. And it was broke down more than it was working.
Holy shit. I must be the only one here that has ever used a CREO for "matchprints". It was a dot proofer where I loaded in 4+ sheets (cmyk and up to 2 other colors to represent spots). The machine was a platemaker with a different head. Imaged them all onto a transfer sheet and then it went through a 3M matchprint laminator.
Infinitely easier than all the bullshit you guys had to go through.
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on July 22, 2014, 03:45:29 PMQuote from: Earendil on July 22, 2014, 03:37:31 PMQuote from: DigiCorn on July 22, 2014, 03:25:14 PMQuote from: Earendil on July 22, 2014, 03:19:38 PMI also remember when Pagemaker was Aldus, FWIW. :rolleyes:
I remember that too.
We still have original boxes here of old, old software. I think we have Retrospect when it was Dantz, EMC, Roxio and now I don't know who owns them.
Also have several boxes of Zips and Jazzs.
Roxio... YA TOAST!
I think we took our zips and Jazz out to the shotgun range. PULL
I did find a couple of SyQuest cassettes not long ago.
I have a few I save in the back for nostalgia purposes.
You plan on opening a prepress museum?
I always talk about the SyQuests; they were like an acrylic cased removable hard drive. I remember when we were interviewing potential Art Directors and they would bring in their digital resumes on SyQuests. We had an 88MB that we used to send to service bureaus. Do you remember when you'd get a new SyQuest "disc" and it'd have that rain forest frog game on it?
Remember "daisy chaining," and SCSI identification, along with "terminators?"
...ah... those were the days (best forgotten).
Quote from: Joe on July 22, 2014, 03:47:36 PMWe finally replaced Cromalins with a Kodak Approval. $6,000 every time you needed to fill it with 4 colors of donor material. And it was broke down more than it was working.
Do you still use the Approval? I haven't seen one in about 10 years. It did make a nice proof, so long as you weren't in a hurry.
I was thinking about this last night... the Kodak system that we used was called Contract, not Approval.
White backing board, laminate magenta, peel off clear, lay down your first neg. UV filter over exposure lamp, expose, remove neg, and process. Next color, yellow, the proof room had yellow light fluorescent light covers so we did M first, register neg to magenta, tape in place and expose. Wash-rinse-repeat for cyan and black. The last burn was for the clear coat. It was laminated in place and rather than use the UV filter, we used a clear filter and exposed. Trim to size and done.
I also remember that anytime that the laminate came off while pulling off the clear, you could put it in the processor and it would rinse off the laminate so you didn't have to start all over again. Also, before you put the clear coat down, that was the time you picked any trash or air bubbles out.
Now that I have completely relived this nightmare, it makes the tornado not seem so bad. :rolleyes:
Quote from: DigiCorn on July 23, 2014, 08:13:26 AMQuote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on July 22, 2014, 03:45:29 PMQuote from: Earendil on July 22, 2014, 03:37:31 PMQuote from: DigiCorn on July 22, 2014, 03:25:14 PMQuote from: Earendil on July 22, 2014, 03:19:38 PMI also remember when Pagemaker was Aldus, FWIW. :rolleyes:
I remember that too.
We still have original boxes here of old, old software. I think we have Retrospect when it was Dantz, EMC, Roxio and now I don't know who owns them.
Also have several boxes of Zips and Jazzs.
Roxio... YA TOAST!
I think we took our zips and Jazz out to the shotgun range. PULL
I did find a couple of SyQuest cassettes not long ago.
I have a few I save in the back for nostalgia purposes.
You plan on opening a prepress museum?
I always talk about the SyQuests; they were like an acrylic cased removable hard drive. I remember when we were interviewing potential Art Directors and they would bring in their digital resumes on SyQuests. We had an 88MB that we used to send to service bureaus.
Remember "daisy chaining," and SCSI identification, along with "terminators?"
...ah... those were the days (best forgotten).
Quote from: Joe on July 22, 2014, 03:47:36 PMWe finally replaced Cromalins with a Kodak Approval. $6,000 every time you needed to fill it with 4 colors of donor material. And it was broke down more than it was working.
Do you still use the Approval? I haven't seen one in about 10 years. It did make a nice proof, so long as you weren't in a hurry.
Maybe, never thought about it.
Yes, I remember all that crap. Terminators, daisy chains, 44s, 88s, 200s, 105s, 250s, EZ-135s, Opticals, Floppies-the big ones, Thanks Born, the small ones, the smaller ones, Zips, Jazzs... and we had to have them all. My 840 AV with a 2 GB HD was the absolute finest machine money could buy, and I had every one of those peripherals chained together next to it. My 19 " Sony monitor, that weighed about 150 pounds... that brings back a lot of old memories.
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on July 23, 2014, 08:21:18 AMMy 19 " Sony monitor, that weighed about 150 pounds... that brings back a lot of old memories.
This place still had 19" Sony CRTs in 2008 when I started here. All the CRTs are gone now.
I used to peruse the MacMall catalogs back in the early '90s. There were SyQuests, the early Zips, and Bernoullis. In all my years, I have never come across a Bernoulli.
Quote from: DigiCorn on July 23, 2014, 08:28:29 AMQuote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on July 23, 2014, 08:21:18 AMMy 19 " Sony monitor, that weighed about 150 pounds... that brings back a lot of old memories.
This place still had 19" Sony CRTs in 2008 when I started here. All the CRTs are gone now.
I used to peruse the MacMall catalogs back in the early '90s. There were SyQuests, the early Zips, and Bernoullis. In all my years, I have never come across a Bernoulli.
You know, either have I. I guess that makes us Twinkies.
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on July 23, 2014, 08:30:46 AMQuote from: DigiCorn on July 23, 2014, 08:28:29 AMQuote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on July 23, 2014, 08:21:18 AMMy 19 " Sony monitor, that weighed about 150 pounds... that brings back a lot of old memories.
This place still had 19" Sony CRTs in 2008 when I started here. All the CRTs are gone now.
I used to peruse the MacMall catalogs back in the early '90s. There were SyQuests, the early Zips, and Bernoullis. In all my years, I have never come across a Bernoulli.
You know, either have I. I guess that makes us Twinkies.
I heard they were popular in the South... something to do with the humidity. In the arid West dry climates, the discs were subject to static charges that made them unreliable.
Most of that media was unreliable. I couldn't count the times I had to call the customer because some font, or support file went corrupt.
Those opticals sometimes could take over 2 hours to copy over... the 200 Syquest drive would read 88s and 44s, but when copied, slow as molasses. Same with the Syquest 250. Trapping was a pain in the ass, RIP times crawled on anything with a PS file in it... proofs took forever to do, scanning was a chore, but you know what... I loved every minute of it.
Today, it's more about pumping out work so fast to get it on press, the biggest problem I have is people, and by people I mean, the CSR, the Sales Pukes AND the customer not looking at their proofs. It's so bad, I don't even know why we bother to run them.
We only had the 88, but I remember one time the courier dropping a cartridge in the case, and it never working again.
My home computer still has a Zip drive. I remember SyQuests, the 5 inch floppies and the 7 or 8 inch ones without a hard case. Really had to be careful with them.
Aldus Pagemaker? I used to use it straight out of DOS, before Windows came along.
Possum, you typing this on a IIc?
Quote from: DigiCorn on July 23, 2014, 08:13:26 AMDo you still use the Approval? I haven't seen one in about 10 years. It did make a nice proof, so long as you weren't in a hurry.
No that was the previous job. We don't do any proof at all here other than screen proofs.
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on July 23, 2014, 08:14:29 AMI was thinking about this last night... the Kodak system that we used was called Contract, not Approval.
White backing board, laminate magenta, peel off clear, lay down your first neg. UV filter over exposure lamp, expose, remove neg, and process. Next color, yellow, the proof room had yellow light fluorescent light covers so we did M first, register neg to magenta, tape in place and expose. Wash-rinse-repeat for cyan and black. The last burn was for the clear coat. It was laminated in place and rather than use the UV filter, we used a clear filter and exposed. Trim to size and done.
I also remember that anytime that the laminate came off while pulling off the clear, you could put it in the processor and it would rinse off the laminate so you didn't have to start all over again. Also, before you put the clear coat down, that was the time you picked any trash or air bubbles out.
Now that I have completely relived this nightmare, it makes the tornado not seem so bad. :rolleyes:
Yeah I remember the Kodak Contract proofs. Kodaks first bid I think to take over the proofing world. They never really caught on. I used to receive a few of them but never had to make any.
Quote from: Farabomb on July 23, 2014, 09:56:42 AMPossum, you typing this on a IIc?
No, the oldest Mac I worked on was an SE/30, I think. I wore it out working for a newspaper. It smoked and died two months after I left.
I have a llci in a closet at home. It has an upgraded coprocessor and Photoshop 2 installed. :grin: Haven't fired it up in 15 years but I bet she would start.
I bet she would too as long as the battery is good. The newer ones just aren't as sturdy and dependable as the old ones. 'Course, I'm prejudiced, because it looks like I'm going to have PPC for the rest of my life. They're tanks, I tell ya! :laugh: