Know any good Itek 430 repair/service places in the Boston area??

[DigitalCrapShoveler]

Dye Sub printers were a real PITA.

Yuck. Hated those bastards more than color keys.

[DigitalCrapShoveler]

No kokomo with the matchprint. The sealant we used was laminated after the last burn, gloss or matte.

Yellow first. They gave us a blue pen that you could hit the reg marks with to turn them green for registration but I could register mag to yelo easily without it. The old guys were the only ones that had trouble registering to yellow. Ours was 3M, not Kodak and it looked great. Semi white-light safe. You musta been on an older setup.

Yes, I remember the pen, but I'm telling you, without it in yellow light, impossible to see. Using a pen made the process take that much longer than it already took. I had to do 30 or 40 of these things a night. AFTER I fought 2 racks worth of bullshit jobs, hand-trapping them and hoping the hell the film didn't come out wrong, or bunched up in the processor.

Can we move on to something else? Thinking about proofs makes my head hurt. :laugh:

[Ear]

Okay, I will stop but I'm telling you, mine was white light safe, for a short period of time, maybe up to an hour. Long enough to register on a light table with standard white bulbs. But I will agree; if I had an old system, like you had (with yellow light), then registering yellow would be impossible.

[DigiCorn]

Dye Sub printers were a real PITA.

Not as bad as a Kodak Approval. The machine was bigger than a backyard shed, and loading the rolls took the patience of Job. Heaven forbid you fuck up the rotation; it took like 40 minutes to generate a new proof.

[Ear]

True. At least the Dye Sub was a compact little bugger. I named it Bob Marley because it was always Jammin'.

[DigitalCrapShoveler]

3M Matchprint... I know the system well, like I said, that came later on, but we called them "Waterless Proofing. Totally different than the Kodak Chromalin. The end result is similar, but the process was different. I don't remember having to laminate them by hand. The machine did it for you. All you had to do was register and burn.

[DigiCorn]

The Kodak did laminate it for you.

[Ear]

Well the one I used must've been earlier then. It actually had a liquid developer in a separate machine. The laminater was almost a standard laminater... you would manually place a color sheet on, feed it in and peel the coat after it came out. The processor was like a mini plate processor, without a gum stage. Nearly all of it was manual, which is probably why it had the potential to be faster, just more labor intensive and easy to mess up. No waiting. Very hands-on.

It was the 3M system before Matchprint™ was purchased by Kodak.

I also remember when Pagemaker was Aldus, FWIW.  :rolleyes:

[DigiCorn]

We used to send out for a lot of Matchprints and Rainbows. I've never seen the machine, but I've handled hundred... maybe thousands... of proofs from both.

[Joe]

3M Matchprint... I know the system well, like I said, that came later on, but we called them "Waterless Proofing. Totally different than the Kodak DuPont Chromalin. The end result is similar, but the process was different. I don't remember having to laminate them by hand. The machine did it for you. All you had to do was register and burn.

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[Ear]

@Corn: So would that make you a Rainbow Warrior?  :cheesy:

[Ear]

3M Matchprint... I know the system well, like I said, that came later on, but we called them "Waterless Proofing. Totally different than the Kodak DuPont Chromalin. The end result is similar, but the process was different. I don't remember having to laminate them by hand. The machine did it for you. All you had to do was register and burn.

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BAZINGA!

That is funny. It all makes sense. We have a manufacturing plant in town that was originally a 3M film plant. After a few years, it changed to DuPont. Then changed to Kodak. Can't remember what it is now... CareStream or some crap. I think they still make film for x-rays. Although I'm sure that will go away soon too.

[DigiCorn]

I also remember when Pagemaker was Aldus, FWIW.  :rolleyes:

I remember that too.

We still have original boxes here of old, old software. I think we have Retrospect when it was Dantz, EMC, Roxio and now I don't know who owns them.

Also have several boxes of Zips and Jazzs.

[DigitalCrapShoveler]

3M Matchprint... I know the system well, like I said, that came later on, but we called them "Waterless Proofing. Totally different than the Kodak DuPont Chromalin. The end result is similar, but the process was different. I don't remember having to laminate them by hand. The machine did it for you. All you had to do was register and burn.

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That's right, it was DuPont. Kodak was Approval and 3M was Matchprint. I did them all, from one shop to the next. Your memory is a lot better than mine, Joe. Did you have to look that up?

[DigitalCrapShoveler]

Well the one I used must've been earlier then. It actually had a liquid developer in a separate machine. The laminater was almost a standard laminater... you would manually place a color sheet on, feed it in and peel the coat after it came out. The processor was like a mini plate processor, without a gum stage. Nearly all of it was manual, which is probably why it had the potential to be faster, just more labor intensive and easy to mess up. No waiting. Very hands-on.

It was the 3M system before Matchprint™ was purchased by Kodak.

I also remember when Pagemaker was Aldus, FWIW.  :rolleyes:

I can't remember anything anymore. Guess my weed IS better than yours. :tongue: