Having another really strange issue (do I ever have any other kind?)...will get a pdf from customer, trim boxes look fine, everything is good to go, rip the file and in the RSI Jobs/RSI Data folder, there are 2 pdfs (one on the surface of the folder, the other in an fpo folder)...The pdf on the surface folder is fine (trimbox where it should be, etc) but the one in the fpo folder has the trimbox WAY off in the outer limits...we just started using Metrix and all the positioning depends on trimboxes, so this really screws up the works...anybody seen anything like this before?
(http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx177/determined_album/Picture2.png)
Are you using the PDF Trap Engine? Is it set to use Trim Box? Open the PDF and check the Trim Box with PitStop, is it correct?
I am going to assume that you have imposed the job using the FPO and it is off-center.
I don't have Metrix, am told it is the next best thing to sliced bread though.
On a side note - the lower half of mailing panel has to be rotated 180 so the fold is at the bottom when it runs through the Postal equipment.
Here is the ripped pdf (not the PDF fpo)
(http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx177/determined_album/Picture4.png)
oh and another side note...all of our other jobs are usually fine (just this one customer's pdfs have this problem)
also, I do not believe we are using pdf trap engine (we're still using 10.5), but how would I check on this?
Check your RIP profile that you drop the PDF into. It has a spot for choosing what box to use when RIPping. It is set to Trim, Bleed, etc. I often get PDFs with the boxes all out of whack. I always check with PitStop beforehand.
No, see that's the thing...this pdf was NOT all out of whack, all trim boxes, bleed, media, etc. were where they should be UNTIL the fpo...see the pic above (that's the pdf BEFORE the fpo)
and my rip profile looks like this:
What are you using for the FPO? It shouldn't be anything from the RSI volume thats for sure. No idea WTF your even doing in there. When you make an FPO you select where it will reside.
No this isn't a "normal" fpo (we used to make those for imposing in preps, etc)...this is a new deal a "PDF fpo" and it resides in RSI Jobs within the RSI Data within the Job Folder (we need this type of fpo for Metrix)...when you create the PDF FPO, it actually creates a folder within the Job Folder called FPO containing the PDF (fpo) file (shown in the first example)
**oh and a little ps here...I've found that if I fix the trim box on the fpo, it actually works
Anyway, I guess this answers my original question...I'm obviously the only one in the world using PDF FPOs :undecided:
I don't even have an FPO folder anywhere on the RSI.
Is this a new Rampage thing or does Metrix put it there?
Tell us more about Metrix.
these FPO's must be something you guys started just for Metrix.
Metrix itself does not generate these, so I would assume that you have a guy there that set up some sort of javascript/applescript that does this for you and drops them into a new folder.
We have Metrix Max here, but we don't use Preps, we just sort of monkey with it to generate custom layouts for specific product/press sheet utilization. In Metrix, you can (if you want) place either live files or FPOs to further utilize the software and even generate a JDF file for use further down the line. It can generate cutting data for the Polar cutters in the bindery, for example.
Quote from: Stiv on August 12, 2009, 01:24:40 PMI don't even have an FPO folder anywhere on the RSI.
Is this a new Rampage thing or does Metrix put it there?
Tell us more about Metrix.
No, the FPO folder is created within the Job folder on RSI when you create the PDF FPO in Rampage. And it is a new thing set up in Rampage to help with Metrix. Like David said, we could use the hi res PDF that is created or we create the FPO (PDF). Unfortunately, we need to stitch the PDF for more than 1 page imposition (s/b under your tools tab in Rampage) and so far as I know, the only PDFs that we can stitch are FPOs (I will, however, be looking into this more)....unfortunately (for me) this was all set up and no one (again) really got any formal training (so, once again, flying by the seats of our pants here)...I was kind of hoping that someone else would be familiar with the PDF FPO thing, but I guess I'm just gonna have to muddle through this....
Nothing like being on the front lines, first to fall.
I think this is what I like the most about this job though - fighting through the endless situations.
Let us know how it resolves itself, we are looking at Metrix also.
yeah, there's always something new to learn...it's a bad day when you don't. :tongue:
Oh and just so you can see what I'm talking about, here's where we make the PDF FPOs...
And maybe this will shed a little more light on things....
Well that clears things up. :huh:
Looks interesting, a PDF FPO stored in the job folder on the RSI that you use to impose with.
I just looked at the FPO tab and I do have the option to PDF FPO.
Quote from: determined on August 12, 2009, 10:16:43 AMNo, see that's the thing...this pdf was NOT all out of whack, all trim boxes, bleed, media, etc. were where they should be UNTIL the fpo...see the pic above (that's the pdf BEFORE the fpo)
and my rip profile looks like this:
This is not the PDF trap engine profile. Its a RIP- EPS/PDF Input profile.
I'm not saying thats the problem, But sometimes weird things can happen in Rampage if you allow it to normalize your pdf pages. Try a profile set-up using the pdf trap engine setting.
Although I don't have Metrix I do have FPO PDF's on my RSI volume. As you can see from this screenshot. (http://qkpic.com/24aa8)
I don't use them to impose tho.
I use the FPO's from this folder on my Jobs Volume. As shown here.
(http://qkpic.com/db40b)
I have no idea what those FPO PDF's on the RSI are for but would think they are for RAMpage's use not users.
Call RAMpage they would know for sure.
Quote from: almaink on August 13, 2009, 07:32:26 AMAlthough I don't have Metrix I do have FPO PDF's on my RSI volume. As you can see from this screenshot. (http://qkpic.com/24aa8)
I don't use them to impose tho.
I use the FPO's from this folder on my Jobs Volume. As shown here.
(http://qkpic.com/db40b)
I have no idea what those FPO PDF's on the RSI are for but would think they are for RAMpage's use not users.
Call RAMpage they would know for sure.
those pdf's are NOT FPOs(the ones in your second screenshot are)...I actually have to choose to make the FPOs...I know that there is another PDF that actually resides in the RSI Job Folder, but that's not the one we use to impose. The one we impose is within the Job folder in another folder called "FPO". (It actually creates a folder when it makes the PDF FPO.)
Quote from: Lumpy on August 13, 2009, 05:05:47 AMQuote from: determined on August 12, 2009, 10:16:43 AMNo, see that's the thing...this pdf was NOT all out of whack, all trim boxes, bleed, media, etc. were where they should be UNTIL the fpo...see the pic above (that's the pdf BEFORE the fpo)
and my rip profile looks like this:
This is not the PDF trap engine profile. Its a RIP- EPS/PDF Input profile.
I'm not saying thats the problem, But sometimes weird things can happen in Rampage if you allow it to normalize your pdf pages. Try a profile set-up using the pdf trap engine setting.
where do I find the PDF trap engine profile? Is it even available to me (using 10.5)? You have to understand, I have no formal training or any way to find out this stuff here...
PDF trap engine is a profile. It should be in the default profiles list. Go to the Profiles tab then click on the new Profile button on the right. A box will open use the flyout to select PDF trap engine and create a new Profile.
Quote from: almaink on August 13, 2009, 09:05:09 AMPDF trap engine is a profile. It should be in the default profiles list. Go to the Profiles tab then click on the new Profile button on the right. A box will open use the flyout to select PDF trap engine and create a new Profile.
OK, I've got a pdf trap engine profile set up (thank you for that)...now I need to know, what are the advantages of this (and I'm trying to figure out why they're not using this here)
Because, unless you are on v11 and running Quad core it is s-l-o-w.
It really does a good job though.
Quote from: Stiv on August 13, 2009, 01:17:14 PMBecause, unless you are on v11 and running Quad core it is s-l-o-w.
It really does a good job though.
It's not that slow! Turn off interactive trapping and watch it fly!
But can somebody tell me what the difference is between the pdf trap engine and RIP- EPS/PDF Input profile?? Does it have to do with rasterizing the file? (again, sorry to be such a pita but there's nobody else I can really ask) :sad:
Quote from: almaink on August 13, 2009, 01:21:48 PMQuote from: Stiv on August 13, 2009, 01:17:14 PMBecause, unless you are on v11 and running Quad core it is s-l-o-w.
It really does a good job though.
It's not that slow! Turn off interactive trapping and watch it fly!
We run pdfs thru it all the time. Works like a horse. (thats kind of a stupid saying)
Quote from: determined on August 13, 2009, 01:50:00 PMBut can somebody tell me what the difference is between the pdf trap engine and RIP- EPS/PDF Input profile?? Does it have to do with rasterizing the file? (again, sorry to be such a pita but there's nobody else I can really ask) :sad:
PDF Trap Engine
Transparent effects from Adobe Creative Suite and Quark 7 do not force operators to rebuild files or develop other workarounds that increase labor costs. Rampage PDF Trap Engine deals with flattened and unflattend PDF at a native level, streamlining the production process.
Rampage natively processes incoming PDF files and traps them using the Rampage PDF Trap Engine. Among other benefits, this enables Rampage to process transparent effects in files from Adobe Creative Suite and Quark 7.
So basically drop your unflattened PDF right in.
Quote from: Stiv on August 13, 2009, 03:01:50 PMQuote from: determined on August 13, 2009, 01:50:00 PMBut can somebody tell me what the difference is between the pdf trap engine and RIP- EPS/PDF Input profile?? Does it have to do with rasterizing the file? (again, sorry to be such a pita but there's nobody else I can really ask) :sad:
PDF Trap Engine
Transparent effects from Adobe Creative Suite and Quark 7 do not force operators to rebuild files or develop other workarounds that increase labor costs. Rampage PDF Trap Engine deals with flattened and unflattend PDF at a native level, streamlining the production process.
Rampage natively processes incoming PDF files and traps them using the Rampage PDF Trap Engine. Among other benefits, this enables Rampage to process transparent effects in files from Adobe Creative Suite and Quark 7.
So basically drop your unflattened PDF right in.
Yeah, so take that.