Another question???

[determined]

At the risk of being a real PITA, I need to ask another one....At times we do things like scratch off foils here (that need to overprint). The other day, quite by accident, I realized that when you rip a file with an overprint like this, the information below the overprint will NOT trap. (The reason I know this is because I ripped it by accident without the foil once and it trapped fine). Anybody know anyway to get around this and have the file trap below the overprint?

[Skryber]

I'll do some testing when I have time today, but I would rip the foil separate from the work so it doesn't interfere with the trap. I'll let you know my findings later.

[Stiv]

RIP the foil with the trap type set to Varnish and send it back into trap edit if the type below has not trapped. To click through layers hold the Apple & Control buttons down.

[determined]

RIP the foil with the trap type set to Varnish and send it back into trap edit if the type below has not trapped. To click through layers hold the Apple & Control buttons down.

OMG! I think I love you! I have been looking for how to get thru layers FOREVER! The file I was just talking about I had to use the "find" box and keep guessing at the object number to trap it! THANK YOU!!

[DigitalCrapShoveler]

Something ain't right. An overprint should not factor in to the traps underneath. How are you setting them up EXACTLY and in what app?

[determined]

In rampage? I like to think that logic has no place here....Yes, the files were set up correctly, however, I think what Stiv said has some bearing....if it's ripped as a varnish and not ripped to overprint, everything should be fine    :undecided:

[determined]

Something ain't right. An overprint should not factor in to the traps underneath. How are you setting them up EXACTLY and in what app?

Sorry, I misread....you wanted to know how the files were set up....the foil was on a layer above the rest of the file (spot color) and the color was set to OP in the rip....

[determined]

In Indesign CS4....

[DigitalCrapShoveler]

So you are NOT setting the OPs in InDesign?

[Skryber]

Did you try not setting the OP in Indy and only in Rampage? I never had this happen to me, however I never trap in Indy.

[DigitalCrapShoveler]

The only trapping I do, is overprints, unless it is something specifiv the RIP won't do, or can't. I ALWAYS set OPS in the app. That way it will trap correctly. I don't use RAMPAGE, so carry on.... Out of my expertise, or whatever.

[determined]

The OP was NOT from InD, just set in the rip in rampage....

[Skryber]

The OP was NOT from InD, just set in the rip in rampage....

So did Stiv's way work for you?

[Stiv]

I was assuming that you tried to set the spot color to Overprint in the Trap Basis column in the prescan.
Both DieLine and Varnish settings will generate ps files in the RSI folder. Comes in handy for sending DieLine PDFs to an outside bindery for DieCutting. Check the Rampage documentation for issues regarding these.

I do not set traps outside of Rampage.

[determined]

The OP was NOT from InD, just set in the rip in rampage....

So did Stiv's way work for you?

No, not really (the file did not trap under the foil, even though I tried ripping the foil as varnish and dieline). When you open the file, the trap STILL says its an overprint (probably the basis for a varnish). Still working on it, but don't understand quite why. If I rip without the foil, though, it will trap.