Big question for you brainy people
We have 2 Nexpress and Prinergy 4
In Perth there is a Kodak tutoring problem (among others)
At the end of the story, if you have questions, you have to work it out by yourself!
Is there anyone who has the same combination Digital-Workflow?
How do you do it?
Can you do variable data direct from Prinergy?
Can you use Prinergy refine engine for Nexpress?
What is the most efficient use of the two together?
I know that it is vague but you ask questions and I try to answer them. I know I can get something more from you guys than from any other!
Thank you :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh:
BTW I asked the same question to the "Other" forum and I got no answer!
I know that here, at least, I get a "hey you $^%# off" answer :wink: :wink:
"hey you $^%# off" :tongue:
ps: (No info on that, good luck)
Quote from: born2print on September 16, 2008, 11:27:22 AM"hey you $^%# off" :tongue:
ps: (No info on that, good luck)
I was expecting that
:angel: :angel: :angel:
Thank you anyway
I'm not sure our setup is close enough to what you want, but I'll describe it at least.
We use Prinergy EVO, Preps Plus 5.3 for all of our conventional work. I've experimented with using the RIP to get jobs to our Indigo, and while it's possible, it's not automated. That is, I'd like to be able to create PDFs out of Indy, Quack, whatever & submit them to a Hot Folder, have them imposed according to a Process Template & generate imposed PDFs that would get thrown into the appropriate hot folder on the Indigo.
As it is, I have to manually impose in Preps, write out a PDF, throw it into the hot folder on the Indigo. Now, our other shop uses Prinergy (NOT Evo, but the full-featured version) and I'm not sure if their process templates allow more control.
Re: Variable Jobs - Not even a slim chance in hell. The closest thing that we have is the Insite StoreFront (http://graphics1.kodak.com/global/product/workflow_data_storage/printing_solutions/synapse/web_to_print_solutions/insite_storefront_system/default) back-end setup, and even that generates PDFs we have to manually feed to the Indigo right now.
Thank you slappy
So far we use Prinergy 4 to create refined pdf with no trapping and let the Nexpress do the ripping and trapping. For the variable data we use Darwin.
So far we did well, but now they want to use Nexpress for proofing certain jobs
Colourwise it is not to far from the Epsons but the trapping is shocking
We know that we have to run at last 20 sheet to register, but even after that we have problems, particularly with small text on background
We need to use the trapped refined job from Prinergy because at the end this will be plated and printed offset.
Cheers
Seems that trapping is one area the Nexpress & Indigo take different paths. The Indigo uses something called "Adaptive halftoning" which we can disable on the fly once the job is at press. When we process jobs through Prinergy EVO, we don't apply any trap, letting the Indigo RIP handle it, otherwise we'd get some unpredictable results.
As for variable, we only use YoursTruly for live jobs. We've started using Darwin to drive StoreFront jobs too, and I wish we had a license to use it for all of our variable work. Are you running Darwin on the Mac side? I've been told by Kodak that the version for producing StoreFront data only runs on the PC, which is a huge pain to work around.
We are running Darwin on PC and it works very well
I know that you will hate me, but I love PC
I find them easier to understand with one registry than mac with 3 library!
G'day Adriano!
I would assume that I have a similar setup like you have although I am not really working in a production environment like you are :-)
Upfront: I am not a Prinergy expert but sure I know a lot in regards of connection Prinergy with NexPress front end.
If you think that the trapping done by the NexPress front does is not acceptable you should *disable* it while using the trapping coming from Prinergy.
Just out of curiosity: what exactly is shocking about the trapping on the NexPress? Or do you mean color-to-color issues?
Variable data jobs can be handled by Prinergy and send to the NexPress.
My questions would be:
What exact version of Prinergy 4 are you running?
Do you have RBA installed?
What exact version of Darwin (Win) are you running?
What exact version of NexPress front end are you running?
If you have NexPress front end related questions I am willing to help ...
Cheers,
Mark
Quote from: Mark on October 30, 2008, 02:02:09 PMG'day Adriano!
I would assume that I have a similar setup like you have although I am not really working in a production environment like you are :-)
Upfront: I am not a Prinergy expert but sure I know a lot in regards of connection Prinergy with NexPress front end.
If you think that the trapping done by the NexPress front does is not acceptable you should *disable* it while using the trapping coming from Prinergy.
Just out of curiosity: what exactly is shocking about the trapping on the NexPress? Or do you mean color-to-color issues?
Variable data jobs can be handled by Prinergy and send to the NexPress.
My questions would be:
What exact version of Prinergy 4 are you running?
Do you have RBA installed?
What exact version of Darwin (Win) are you running?
What exact version of NexPress front end are you running?
If you have NexPress front end related questions I am willing to help ...
Cheers,
Mark
See. This is where I fall ignorant!
I don't know how to handle variable data in Prinergy, only in Darwin and InDesign
We never had a formal training in Prinergy
We came from Brisque and "they" assumed that we could work the solutions out
For all the other question I have to get back to work tonight and reply to you
Thank you very much so far
Adriano
Answering the questions
What exact version of Prinergy 4 are you running? 4.0.2.4.8
Do you have RBA installed? YES
What exact version of Darwin (Win) are you running? VERSION 1.8
What exact version of NexPress front end are you running? Front End Version 9
We would like to use the same trapping that Prinergy uses
When printed Nexpress duplicate the pdf and re-trap the pdf its own way
The only way is to rasterize the pdf and print it as tiff.
Thank you again
G'day Adriano!
What exact version of Prinergy 4 are you running? 4.0.2.4.8
I need to clarify with my fellow Prinergy guys if this version already can handle variable data files (as already mentioned I am not a Prinergy expert).
Do you have RBA installed? YES
Good.
What exact version of Darwin (Win) are you running? VERSION 1.8
Quite old version. Seems you are running InDesing CS2. I don't have this (InDesing CS2) installed on my PC anymore. Would it be possible to provide me with a simple and small .vdx output for 'testing'?
What exact version of NexPress front end are you running? Front End Version 9
Good. I hope you have all necessary patches installed.
We would like to use the same trapping that Prinergy uses
When printed Nexpress duplicate the pdf and re-trap the pdf its own way
The only way is to rasterize the pdf and print it as tiff.
Prinergy and NexPress trapping are different. You can parameterize the Prinergy trapping; where you only can en-/disable the NexPress trapping.
Have you ever tried to use Prinergy trapping and 'forward' it to the NexPress (you need to disable NexPress trapping)?
Do you like the image quality when rasterizing the PDF and print it as TIFF? Have you tried different screenings on the NexPress (Staccato DX) while printing this rasterized PDF?
One question I forgot to ask in my first post: When outputting for plate do you use the CPSI or the APPE?
And one question still remains: what exactly is shocking about the trapping on the NexPress? Or do you mean color-to-color issues?
Just to clarify: As for a 'normal' PDF workflow (*no* rasterized PDF) when outputting to plate / proof Prinergy will use the 'Prinergy RIP'; when outputting to NexPress the 'NexPress RIP' will be used. Those RIPs *could* lead to different output.
Cheers,
Mark
Adriano,
you will need at least Prinergy 4.1 to handle .vdx files coming from Darwin.
The question would be: are you hooked up to a MIS?
Or why do you want to run the .vdx files through Prinergy?
Cheers,
Mark
We would like to use the Prinergy refined output to Nexpress
We have whatever license is needed to do so but nobody has a clue how to do it.
Here in Western Australia are completely cut out from the "real world"
If we don't work out our problems by ourselves, little is going to be done about it.
We are using only 50% of Prinergy capabilities
Even for UpFront we had to work it out with the 63 pages manual
Sorry to sound miserable, but this is the situation!
We had technical support from Eastern States to fix "problems" but you need somebody on the spot to help you find solutions when problems arise!
The training can only help you to start the use, all the questions come after a few months of trial
Thank you anyway for your input
It is very much appreciated
Adriano :wink:
G'day Adriano,
do you also want to run the .vdx files from Darwin through Prinergy refine?
Prinergy will 'only' hand-over the .vdx file to the NexPress and will keep track of it. It will *not* refine them.
If you are *not* hooked-up to a MIS it does not make sense to run variable data files through Prinergy. This is my opinion (this is talking about Prinergy 4.1).
Have you tried my other advice?
Feedback is much appreciated.
Cheers,
Mark
No, Mark
We don't need to use .vdx in Prinergy
We are OK using Darwin, but we would like to use the Prinergy refine to produce a pdf that Nexpress will print without ripping the pdf again
We have no idea how (and we are not the only one)
Thank you Mark, very much
G'day Adriano,
so you output PDF from Darwin?
The NexPress front end will *always* RIP PDF files coming from Prinergy.
There is no way around this.
Pringery would be way to slow to feed the NexPress with data in printing speed.
Is there a reason why you want to run files coming from Darwin through Prinergy?
Cheers,
Mark
Hi Mike
thank you very much for your replies
The management would like to use Nexpress as alternative to Matchprint proofing
I would be only for certain jobs where the colour wouldn't be an issue (too much anyway)
This is where the trapping become an issue
The Nexpress trapping is different than the Prinergy and can't be reliable for proofing.
This is what is all about
Now that you confirm that Nexpress will always rip pdf in any case, there is no point to try again.
We had given different advises.
Thank you very much for your help
Adriano