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Title: v12 & QXP PDFs
Post by: Stiv on September 21, 2012, 06:42:37 AM
Rampage v12 is throwing errors in the prescan on Quark PDFs. Unfortunately, the PDFs are coming in from clients and we can't try to make our own PDFs from their files. The prescan settings can all be turned off and still the error occurs.

Rampage is working on the issue but has anyone else had any problems with Quark PDFs? (That's a loaded question I know.)
Title: Re: v12 & QXP PDFs
Post by: Joe on September 21, 2012, 06:49:03 AM
Do they contain live transparency or have they been flattened. Quark PDF's that have live transparency can get quite large. Maybe Rampage doesn't understand Quarks live transparency? Other than that I really haven't had any problems with Quark PDF's but then again I don't use Rampage.
Title: Re: v12 & QXP PDFs
Post by: Stiv on September 21, 2012, 06:53:24 AM
The PDFs otherwise RIP fine, it is the prescan that kills them. Also, it is seemingly random pages inside of multi-page PDFs. Nothing special on most of them.
Title: Re: v12 & QXP PDFs
Post by: Lammy on September 21, 2012, 07:31:05 AM
I've had several "no so special" PDFs that were made from quark that give me fits lately. When the PDF is placed in Indesign CS6 and a new PDF is exported (usually multiple up) it crashes Indesign. Saving the PDFs back to PDF 4 Compatible seems to always fix it. I think the big thing is it flattens the files. I don't think Quark does it's transparency in a well that plays nice is all. I  know this is different but I hope it's helpful.
Title: Re: v12 & QXP PDFs
Post by: Stiv on September 21, 2012, 10:26:18 AM
We are having success with the Optimize PDF, the thing is that the PDFs work even when nothing is selected in the Optimize menu.

Seems that Acrobat is removing the Quark crap that is causing the issues. Time to make a droplet.
Title: Re: v12 & QXP PDFs
Post by: pspdfppdfxhd on September 21, 2012, 07:24:17 PM
Quote from: Lammy on September 21, 2012, 07:31:05 AMI've had several "no so special" PDFs that were made from quark that give me fits lately. When the PDF is placed in Indesign CS6 and a new PDF is exported (usually multiple up) it crashes Indesign. Saving the PDFs back to PDF 4 Compatible seems to always fix it. I think the big thing is it flattens the files. I don't think Quark does it's transparency in a well that plays nice is all. I  know this is different but I hope it's helpful.

I had a job this week, exporting a 24 page job of a quark made pdf out of indesign and it crashed every time. It was black and white with nothing special.....

Had to rasterize page 17 (after troubleshooting where the problem was) at 2400 dpi in photoshop.

Got er done.

Ive had a lot of trouble lately exporting flats out of cs6 lately... Have had to export as an .idml and open in cs5 and that works. Not sure if its a cs6 thing or something else.

Just sayin.
Title: Re: v12 & QXP PDFs
Post by: Stiv on September 26, 2012, 10:17:27 AM
Workaround solution was to Optimize from within Acrobat with no options selected.

Now using a version upgrade and seems to be working good.

I have to give it to Rampage, they are the best in customer support.
Title: Re: v12 & QXP PDFs
Post by: almaink on September 27, 2012, 12:17:03 PM
Just got my first PDF made in Quack 9 and it has issues before it even gets to Rampage. Check out what happened to the nice vector logo placed adjacent to a Quark drop shadow in the attached screen shot.
Kills me that THE DESIGNER DIDN'T EVEN SEE THIS. Good news is the raster part on top can be deleted in Acrobat. I didn't tell the designer that tho, let him or her figure out WTF happened.
Title: Re: v12 & QXP PDFs
Post by: Joe on September 27, 2012, 12:58:57 PM
Never flatten or that is the result 99.99% of the time with Quark.
Title: Re: v12 & QXP PDFs
Post by: t-pat on September 27, 2012, 01:54:09 PM
Quote from: Joe on September 27, 2012, 12:58:57 PMNever flatten do anything but set black type in Times Roman or that is the result 99.99% of the time with Quark.

fixed
Title: Re: v12 & QXP PDFs
Post by: Stiv on September 29, 2012, 06:05:11 AM
Run into this kind of crap constantly. If it wasn't for Pitstop I'd be sunk. I can't believe the different versions of PDFs we have been getting lately. I had one from Ghostscript that threw errors until I optimized the crap out of it. I have one now that I can't figure out how they PDF'ed it or what they used but it errors too. I think I should just set up a droplet to optimize and resave all PDFs that come in from customers.


Quote from: almaink on September 27, 2012, 12:17:03 PMJust got my first PDF made in Quack 9 and it has issues before it even gets to Rampage. Check out what happened to the nice vector logo placed adjacent to a Quark drop shadow in the attached screen shot.
Kills me that THE DESIGNER DIDN'T EVEN SEE THIS. Good news is the raster part on top can be deleted in Acrobat. I didn't tell the designer that tho, let him or her figure out WTF happened.
Title: Re: v12 & QXP PDFs
Post by: gnubler on October 01, 2012, 08:59:02 AM
quark sucks.
Title: Re: v12 & QXP PDFs
Post by: pspdfppdfxhd on October 01, 2012, 09:12:05 AM
Quote from: gnubler on October 01, 2012, 08:59:02 AMquark sucks.

Please expain
Title: Re: v12 & QXP PDFs
Post by: David on October 01, 2012, 10:32:56 AM
CS6

just sayin'
Title: Re: v12 & QXP PDFs
Post by: Ear on October 01, 2012, 01:35:57 PM
Just downloaded a PDF made from Quark. 830 megs for a little magazine.  :sad: That's riquarkulous. Indy would be 1/10th the size.
Title: Re: v12 & QXP PDFs
Post by: t-pat on October 01, 2012, 01:43:00 PM
Quote from: Earendil on October 01, 2012, 01:35:57 PMJust downloaded a PDF made from Quark. 830 megs for a little magazine.  :sad: That's riquarkulous. Indy would be 1/10th the size.

Don't underestimate designers. I get a regular one, 8 pages, 900+mb indy and links, makes a 4+gb pdf. I have to subsample out of indy.
Title: Re: v12 & QXP PDFs
Post by: gnubler on October 01, 2012, 09:08:09 PM
Quote from: pspdfppdfx on October 01, 2012, 09:12:05 AM
Quote from: gnubler on October 01, 2012, 08:59:02 AMquark sucks.

Please expain

Pain is right.

I'd rather toil thru Pagemaker than dink around in quark.
Title: Re: v12 & QXP PDFs
Post by: almaink on October 04, 2012, 08:40:39 AM
Got an ad book to do and a bunch of supplied PDF's from CS6, both Illy and InDesign, and they are ripping as blank pages because they use an unsupported Device Grey blending space. I can flatten them in Acrobat and they rip but WTF is up with this?
Is this a new CS6 "feature" that is doing this or just poor design?
Title: Re: v12 & QXP PDFs
Post by: Stiv on October 04, 2012, 08:55:10 AM
Try RIPping with the Transparency Blend Space set to CMYK (check box)
Title: Re: v12 & QXP PDFs
Post by: almaink on October 04, 2012, 01:53:51 PM
Thanks I'll give that a shot next time. I flattened the ads for this years mess in Acrobat.